Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[cmndstab]

Kurt, is no dollar.

It doesn't matter whether we've overrated Kurt or not. All that matters is what clubs would be willing to pay for him.

It is very obvious that most clubs, if they wanted Kurt and Kurt wanted to go to them, would be willing to part with considerably more than 22. Therefore, if that's all we get from Sydney, we've gotten below market value.

Whether or not you personally rate him means absolutely nothing. We shouldn't "take 22 and run" - that's the bargain basement offer! You don't take an offer and run just because you don't rate your own commodity, you try to get the best offer possible.

 

[cmndstab]

His price tag is obviously an issue too. Could they afford him? And I think, as far as making a pitch to Tippett's management, surely all they'd have to do is say "yeah we know you love Sydney, but hey... we're Collingwood."

Also, they're going to be challenging for a premiership too, which I assume is the primary reason that Tippett is not interested in GWS.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Been watching this thread and there are some very confused people out there.

The same people saying he's a spud are wanting top 15 picks for him.

Let's be honest, if he had played for anyone else you would be telling them that 22 was a great trade for him.

I'd be happy with a pick in the 20's for a player that was not very good anyway.

Verukurt Salt is overrated by many.. If it was on output, no way is he worth high picks.. Structure is what makes him worth more than he should be.. It's an interesting balance of type of player and output that comes up with value.. Then Sydney chased him hard and are willing to pay big cash.. So pay up in a trade..

I honestly wouldn't expect some of the crazy demands that are thrown around as a trade, but would expect something fair.. 22 or plastic cutlery like Jesse White is not what I'd call fair..

 

[Mattrox]

It doesn't matter whether we've overrated Kurt or not. All that matters is what clubs would be willing to pay for him.

It is very obvious that most clubs, if they wanted Kurt and Kurt wanted to go to them, would be willing to part with considerably more than 22. Therefore, if that's all we get from Sydney, we've gotten below market value.

Whether or not you personally rate him means absolutely nothing. We shouldn't "take 22 and run" - that's the bargain basement offer! You don't take an offer and run just because you don't rate your own commodity, you try to get the best offer possible.

The compensation should reflect that at AFC he developed from a basketballer with a broken back into a contested marking machine. You would put than into any forward 50 in the AFL and in a team where they actually receive frees from forwards getting mauled he'd have snapped extra 3 shots on goal a game. The Swans are prepared to pay him handsomely, but throw us scraps.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Our position on Tippett should have started before the finals, we should have done a Bock and stood him down, if the player is not committed to the club then he should be stood down from all duties immediately. If Sando wants our playing group to be ruthless it needs to start with our leadership and we missed an early opportunity to set the tone

What really irks me the most ad a club in our short history we have been blessed with a Brownlow medalist, dual norm smith medalist, multiple AA, coleman medalist and 300 gamers yet Tippett someone who has not come close in achieving those levels has been honored as our highest paid player. This is a stain on our club especially given the lack of respect and good faith that he has shown the AFC and his team mates during his departure

Dawes, Wellingham will leave with friendships at the Pies, Kurt will leave having no friends

Contract with Syd, $4m
Friendships, priceless

 

[Deaneus!]

Long long long long time reader about to take the plunge. Here goes...

Probably already been mentioned but with Collingwood shipping Dawes off, and accumulating picks inside the top 25, is there a chance they'll make a darkhorse run at Tippett? I know the dog has just backed us into a corner again with that "I wont even go to GWS" call, but the Pies have seemed quietly keen for him all along.

His price tag is obviously an issue too. Could they afford him? And I think, as far as making a pitch to Tippett's management, surely all they'd have to do is say "yeah we know you love Sydney, but hey... we're Collingwood."

"Its not a million, but have 800 and a Lexus dealership..."

Also:

* Tippett's a dog
* I cant wait for Crouch
* McKernan will step up
* We need outside run around stoppages
* I hate Port

Great first post and excellent username, welcome aboard

 

[.Shotties.]

You would put than into any forward 50 in the AFL and in a team where they actually receive frees from forwards getting mauled.

Do you have any free i50 stats or anything that backs that up at all?

 

[Thylacinus]

Been watching this thread and there are some very confused people out there.

The same people saying he's a spud are wanting top 15 picks for him.

Let's be honest, if he had played for anyone else you would be telling them that 22 was a great trade for him.

I'd be happy with a pick in the 20's for a player that was not very good anyway.

Looked like Tippett came to play in the prelim final against Hawthorn (in contrast to an earlier final or two )and was one of the players that almost got us over the line. Was one of the handful contending for best on ground (and there was lot of quality on the ground that day). His kicking is improving. Is a key forward who takes best defender and also back up ruck, and for 2003 cm has a bit of a burst of pace, some agility and can crash the packs. These guys don't grow on trees. That is why Sydney will pay him a million per year. They need someone like this as Goodes heads into retirement. That is why we can't capitulate. We have developed this guy into one of the top key forwards in the comp. You don't just walk away content with a pick in the 20's. That is why others are interested and we need to hold our ground and let this play out.

 

[Wood_Duck]

It doesn't matter whether we've overrated Kurt or not. All that matters is what clubs would be willing to pay for him.

It is very obvious that most clubs, if they wanted Kurt and Kurt wanted to go to them, would be willing to part with considerably more than 22. Therefore, if that's all we get from Sydney, we've gotten below market value.

Whether or not you personally rate him means absolutely nothing. We shouldn't "take 22 and run" - that's the bargain basement offer! You don't take an offer and run just because you don't rate your own commodity, you try to get the best offer possible.

People are not being realistic. I would love to know how people think we can get better than 22. It seems that its 22 or PSD. Tiprat is not about to agree to be traded elsewhere.

 

[Tex Support]

Whilst I fully support the notion that letting the dog walk in the PSD would be a great moral victory for the AFC, I'd also like to think the professionals running our club have been employed because they're good at what they do, and thus see the obvious folly in getting nothing for Tippett.

Hopefully they exhaust every avenue until 2pm next Friday (or whenever it finishes)... and if they still cant do better, they need to take whatever is offered. Please note I say "if they still cant do better".

Obviously pick 22 is no where near the mark for a guy who's asking 7 figures out of the reigning premier. But to basically say "here, have him for free" (and you know he'll get there - look at his antics so far) would be the biggest fumble in the clubs history from a business point of view.

What happens if pick 22 turns out to be a gun?

Come on people. I hate the pr-ck as much as you. But he's not a 'free' agent. If we get nothing for him, we'll be a laughing stock. Maybe not on Big Footy, but amongst the people that matter this time of year.

*yes, its taken me 3 posts to try and lose friends I never had

 

[Team DJ]

If we take 22.
I wouldnt mind trying to package up 22 and 19 to try and get something closer to pick 10.

 

[Trevanian]

Great first post and excellent username, welcome aboard

 

[whattagun07]

I rate all his points

so do i but i feel the last one has been overlooked for the last few months.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Whilst I fully support the notion that letting the dog walk in the PSD would be a great moral victory for the AFC, I'd also like to think the professionals running our club have been employed because they're good at what they do, and thus see the obvious folly in getting nothing for Tippett.

Hopefully they exhaust every avenue until 2pm next Friday (or whenever it finishes)... and if they still cant do better, they need to take whatever is offered. Please note I say "if they still cant do better".

Obviously pick 22 is no where near the mark for a guy who's asking 7 figures out of the reigning premier. But to basically say "here, have him for free" (and you know he'll get there - look at his antics so far) would be the biggest fumble in the clubs history from a business point of view.

What happens if pick 22 turns out to be a gun?

Come on people. I hate the pr-ck as much as you. But he's not a 'free' agent. If we get nothing for him, we'll be a laughing stock. Maybe not on Big Footy, but amongst the people that matter this time of year.

*yes, its taken me 3 posts to try and lose friends I never had

Dont worry about losing friends. That is sometimes the cost of being right on BF.

 

[huludicidal]

You are bringing a non football factor into the equation. A factor that differs from club to club, Tippet hasn't done half of what Dawes has.

You are confused.

You are also assuming Melbourne are capable of paying correct value for players...

Tippett hasn't done half of what Dawes has done? What a ridiculous statement. Lets have a look at some career stats.

Age: Tippett: 25 yrs, 5 mths / Dawes 24 yrs 5 mths

Goals per game: Tippett: 1.8 / Dawes 1.2, over the last 3 years Tippett has 1.9 per game, Dawes has 1.2. Tippett kicked 1.9 per game in 2012 to Dawes 0.7.

Hitouts per game: Tippett 7.9 / Dawes 1.7

Contested Marks per game: Tippett top 3 in the league even in 2012 when he was missing games and parts of other games with concussions / Dawes - never been ranked in the top 20 in this stat in his career.


You're right, Tippett hasn't done half of what Dawes has. He's done double.

EDIT: i focused purely on these 3 stats because these are the 3 key indicators of any key forward / backup ruckman, which is exactly what both of these players are. You could make an argument that stats such as Marks Inside 50 etc could be included (Tippett has a huge advantage there too but I felt these 3 stats were enough to prove my point). If you want to rebut with Dawes' slight advantage in overall disposals or handballs feel free to.

Also do a quick poll of afl fans from all 18 clubs and see how many rate Dawes higher than Tippett as a player. If its any more than 10% I'll delete my account.

 

[Tex Support]

This is a stain on our club especially given the lack of respect and good faith that he has shown the AFC and his team mates during his departure

And he'll have to live with that, which is great. He was only our highest paid player ever because, at the time, thats what was needed to get him to stay. 2 years ago I had no problem with him having that honour, because we needed him. Now, I'd much rather that be Danger, Tex, Thommo or anyone else, but thats only in hindsight.

No matter how this shakes out, everything I hear coming out of the playing group only makes me support us more. Their opinion of Tippett is no different than that of the supporters, and its giving them an edge and motivation. I cant wait to play Sydney next year, just to watch the players have a crack at him.

The biggest winners in this just quietly might be Bock and Davis. They look like saints compared to Tippett.

And pick 22, who ever he may be. He's a sure fire crowd favorite.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Seems to be some growing love for pick 23 over the last 24 hrs, if you guys end up taking it here is some of the up side from a outsiders POV

• Kurt is a tool and you are better off without him at your club, he was a distaction and has been for some time
• At some point in the future a SA boy will want to come home from Sydney and you will have every right to butt **** the living daylights out of the Swans
• Kurt's selfish nature may very well destroy the culture of Sydney
• Pick 23 may in fact turn out to be a better player and human being than Kurt
• Hopefully the AFL see this as blatant tampering and revise the rules to prevent such a injustice happening again (but not before you, enact point 2 )

 

[MattyB_76]

Also do a quick poll of afl fans from all 18 clubs and see how many rate Dawes higher than Tippett as a player. If its any more than 10% I'll delete my account.

Sydney fans rate Dawes higher than Tippett because he's a Premiership Player.

 

[Bob Neil]

Long long long long time reader about to take the plunge. Here goes...

Probably already been mentioned but with Collingwood shipping Dawes off, and accumulating picks inside the top 25, is there a chance they'll make a darkhorse run at Tippett? I know the dog has just backed us into a corner again with that "I wont even go to GWS" call, but the Pies have seemed quietly keen for him all along.

His price tag is obviously an issue too. Could they afford him? And I think, as far as making a pitch to Tippett's management, surely all they'd have to do is say "yeah we know you love Sydney, but hey... we're Collingwood."

"Its not a million, but have 800 and a Lexus dealership..."

Also:

* Tippett's a dog
* I cant wait for Crouch
* McKernan will step up
* We need outside run around stoppages
* I hate Port

Great start - and love the name by the way!

PS Lucky you got that "I hate Port" quote in there at the end or you would have been carded

 

[Hank93]

Seems to be some growing love for pick 23 over the last 24 hrs, if you guys end up taking it here is some of the up side from a outsiders POV

• Kurt is a tool and you are better off without him at your club, he was a distaction and has been for some time
• At some point in the future a SA boy will want to come home from Sydney and you will have every right to butt **** the living daylights out of the Swans
• Kurt's selfish nature may very well destroy the culture of Sydney
• Pick 23 may in fact turn out to be a better player and human being than Kurt
• Hopefully the AFL see this as blatant tampering and revise the rules to prevent such a injustice happening again (but not before you, enact point 2 )

You can be sure pick 22 or whatever it will end up being, will be a cult hero of the club! If he becomes a better player than Kurt, he'll reach legend status .

 

[Deaneus!]

* Tippett's a dog
* I cant wait for Crouch
* McKernan will step up
* We need outside run around stoppages
* I hate Port

They're all great points, and I agree with them, Nicholas Cage be damned!

 

[SydCrow]

Sydney fans rate Dawes higher than Tippett because he's a Premiership Player.

"No Premiership player will ever be traded"

 

[The Karma Bus]

Whilst I fully support the notion that letting the dog walk in the PSD would be a great moral victory for the AFC, I'd also like to think the professionals running our club have been employed because they're good at what they do, and thus see the obvious folly in getting nothing for Tippett.

Hopefully they exhaust every avenue until 2pm next Friday (or whenever it finishes)... and if they still cant do better, they need to take whatever is offered. Please note I say "if they still cant do better".

Obviously pick 22 is no where near the mark for a guy who's asking 7 figures out of the reigning premier. But to basically say "here, have him for free" (and you know he'll get there - look at his antics so far) would be the biggest fumble in the clubs history from a business point of view.

What happens if pick 22 turns out to be a gun?

Come on people. I hate the pr-ck as much as you. But he's not a 'free' agent. If we get nothing for him, we'll be a laughing stock. Maybe not on Big Footy, but amongst the people that matter this time of year.

*yes, its taken me 3 posts to try and lose friends I never had

Yeah we are stuck unfortunately.. You rely on other clubs to deal fair and in good faith.. Sydney sure are coming to the party on that

It's a tough one, on one hand I would love us to let him fall to the PSD.. But hope he doesn't get through to Sydney from it..

Then the other side, if we battle all trade period for more but don't get it, pick 22 can get you a good player sometimes and there are many examples - Sloane was pick 44
Regardless of what we think though, I can't see a club in today's world turning down pick 22 for example just to make a point..

 

[Tex Support]

Seems to be some growing love for pick 23 over the last 24 hrs...

Less love, more acceptance maybe?

PS Lucky you got that "I hate Port" quote in there at the end or you would have been carded

Lets make no mistake. I hate them. And it doubles as a great ice breaker at parties...

"Hi er.. my name is -----."
"G'day ------ what do you do?"
"Er... I hate Port."
"Wanna come fishing on my massive yacht this weekend?"

 

[Tex200]

You can be sure pick 22 or whatever it will end up being, will be a cult hero of the club! If he becomes a better player than Kurt, he'll reach legend status .

True.

It should also be remebered that if jesse white does come to us then he should not be made to feel part of the backlash. He will be entitled to be welcomed, supported and encouraged to be his best.