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[headache1]

Because it's not a case of one or the other. We just won the flag, which shows we can do it again. We don't need to throw away our future for a player we've already demonstrated we don't need.

How much longer do you realistically expect Goodes to play? This is the only reason I see that explains Sydney going after Tippett. He'll be 33 by the time next season starts, and this year has been the first time where his body has looked like it's on the decline. Securing Tippett for 4 or 5 years means you've got your forward line set whilst your window is open. I actually think with the way you guys play, Tippett would be a great fit. You seem to be quite good at countering the oppositions attack and turning it into opportunties where your forwards end up one out against defenders. Perfect for Tippett.

 

[BarneyBent]

What kind of ridiculous logic is this? So any team that has won the flag doesn't need to do anything because they already have a team that can win it again?

By that logic we'd have the same premiers every year. This is elite sport. You either continue to improve, or you fall behind the pack - and quickly.

Of course that's not my logic. Reid (probably) will improve, Tippett (probably) will not, which means that, if it came to having one or the other, Tippett might improve our chances of winning the flag next year, but reduce it, relative to what Reid would offer, in subsequent years, which will be many.

So, when it comes to what each of them are worth, Reid still comes up trumps.

If you're not interested in having Kurt Tippett (or only interested in getting him for a bag of beans) then you have nothing to contribute to this thread. Time for you to move on, thanks.

I'm only interested in actually hearing WHY Tippett is worth what he supposedly is, from the people who watch him closest. I'm genuinely curious, because I want to know why my club is apparently chasing him so hard. Unfortunately, I'm yet to hear anything new. It's mostly either been haughty defensiveness or agreeing with me that he's not worth much.

 

[mj233]

You are kidding yourself man. For most of the year Reid was absolute Poo!
Tippett>>>>>Reid and it's not even close

Reid just plays his role. Tippet got stitched up by LRT

 

[BarneyBent]

How much longer do you realistically expect Goodes to play? This is the only reason I see that explains Sydney going after Tippett. He'll be 33 by the time next season starts, and this year has been the first time where his body has looked like it's on the decline. Securing Tippett for 4 or 5 years means you've got your forward line set whilst your window is open. I actually think with the way you guys play, Tippett would be a great fit. You seem to be quite good at countering the oppositions attack and turning it into opportunties where your forwards end up one out against defenders. Perfect for Tippett.

Nope. We hardly ever get our forwards one-out with defenders. When we counter opposition's attack, we get on the move quickly and hit up targets, whether key forward, small forward or resting midfielder, on the lead, or alternatively just run it inside 50. The only time our forwards have opportunities to take contested marks inside 50 is usually after a long-bomb when we've won the clearance. Usually that ends up being spoiled and we crumb.

 

[TheTonic]

There is one way to measure the value of a player to a team.

HOW MUCH MONEY HE IS BEING PAID

So if any Sydney douche wants to start arguing the merit of Grundy as an equivalent player... maybe just check the salary differential and you will have your answer.

 

[jackster83]

Why? You've just agreed with me that he is about the pick 10 mark. And the nearest player would be Mitch Clarke.

I'm just discussing his worth. As stated previously I'd prefer we don't get him.

P.S. you should really check out Reid's contested marking...

I don't disagree with your sentiments that he's worth around pick 10.

The issue here is the first law of Bigfooty trades: Two picks in the 20's (that's what Grundy is worth plus your first rounder) does not equal pick 10 (or greater). That's why Brisbane, with their pick #8 or Polec are looking more attractive.

The other issue here is that Sydney's first pick won't be 22. It will probably be 25 after allowing for Goddard, Pearce and Chaplin.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Of course that's not my logic. Reid (probably) will improve, Tippett (probably) will not, which means that, if it came to having one or the other, Tippett might improve our chances of winning the flag next year, but reduce it, relative to what Reid would offer, in subsequent years, which will be many.

So, when it comes to what each of them are worth, Reid still comes up trumps.



I'm only interested in actually hearing WHY Tippett is worth what he supposedly is, from the people who watch him closest. I'm genuinely curious, because I want to know why my club is apparently chasing him so hard. Unfortunately, I'm yet to hear anything new. It's mostly either been haughty defensiveness or agreeing with me that he's not worth much.

Mate you may want to look at yourself, several Suns posters have been here all week and we have found the Crows supporters to be open, helpful and friendly (with the expection of Captain Dangerfield, who had a melt down yesterday).

 

[headache1]

Nope. We hardly ever get our forwards one-out with defenders. When we counter opposition's attack, we get on the move quickly and hit up targets, whether key forward, small forward or resting midfielder, on the lead, or alternatively just run it inside 50. The only time our forwards have opportunities to take contested marks inside 50 is usually after a long-bomb when we've won the clearance. Usually that ends up being spoiled and we crumb.

Hmm, I've seemed to notice quite a few times on your "slingshots" off half back where the midfielders kind of kick over the fowards running toward goal, that people like Goodes were only being stood by their defender.

 

[Vader]

The other issue here is that Sydney's first pick won't be 22. It will probably be 25 after allowing for Goddard, Pearce and Chaplin.

Pearce & Chaplin won't (or at least shouldn't) attract 1st round compensation. Goddard almost certainly will.

 

[TheTonic]

I'm only interested in actually hearing WHY Tippett is worth what he supposedly is, from the people who watch him closest. I'm genuinely curious, because I want to know why my club is apparently chasing him so hard. Unfortunately, I'm yet to hear anything new. It's mostly either been haughty defensiveness or agreeing with me that he's not worth much.

2nd best contested mark in the AFL, if he doesn't mark the ball will drop it to the foot of the contest, proven big game player, excellent second ruck providing the ultimate flexibility in the modern game... high rotations etc etc.

Strongest player at the club in chin ups for a 104 kg player is also worth a mention.

He is 2 players in one and excellent in 2 of the most important roles in the game.

Do you want to know more?????????????????????

 

[Tex200]

yi

Of course that's not my logic. Reid (probably) will improve, Tippett (probably) will not, which means that, if it came to having one or the other, Tippett might improve our chances of winning the flag next year, but reduce it, relative to what Reid would offer, in subsequent years, which will be many.

So, when it comes to what each of them are worth, Reid still comes up trumps.


I'm only interested in actually hearing WHY Tippett is worth what he supposedly is, from the people who watch him closest. I'm genuinely curious, because I want to know why my club is apparently chasing him so hard. Unfortunately, I'm yet to hear anything new. It's mostly either been haughty defensiveness or agreeing with me that he's not worth much.

Part of the reason his salary is so high is that we made the mistake of over paying him on his last contract. The inflation was caused by the suns entry and the $$$ they had to splash around. At the time he was our only key forward of note so we upped the ante to keep him.

So his starting point is inflated thanks to the suns. Of course enticing him to leave , or stay, takes more again.

Its not just that of course. His value was increased with the sub rule as well. A unique player. I think its fair to say he is a decent player who has had the planets align for him. In any other era I cant imagine he would be in such demand.

He fills a need that not many can, but will add nothing else to his new club.

 

[Membling]

I don't disagree with your sentiments that he's worth around pick 10.

The issue here is the first law of Bigfooty trades: Two picks in the 20's (that's what Grundy is worth plus your first rounder) does not equal pick 10 (or greater). That's why Brisbane, with their pick #8 or Polec are looking more attractive.

The other issue here is that Sydney's first pick won't be 22. It will probably be 25 after allowing for Goddard, Pearce and Chaplin.

I know. I've not suggested any trades as I find it highly doubtful he will come to us. The fact he hasn't nominated is also a reason. If it comes to tippett nominating no doubt a 3rd party will be involved. Wait and see approach is needed. I expect him to go to GC

 

[Freddy Bassett]

No, but that's why I don't want to pay Tippett $1 million a year. I'm actually hoping that, if we are indeed chasing him, journos have got their wires crossed, and we're in fact offering $1 million in the first year of a heavily front-loaded contract.
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I will give you the hot tip Barney. Kurt wants to be at home with Daddy. But someone is clouding his decision by offering big big money.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Why? You've just agreed with me that he is about the pick 10 mark. And the nearest player would be Mitch Clarke.

I'm just discussing his worth. As stated previously I'd prefer we don't get him.

P.S. you should really check out Reid's contested marking...

Meh.. Seen Jeremy Howe's?

There is more to footy than contested marking otherwise Tippett would be worth a million dollars

 

[BarneyBent]

2nd best contested mark in the AFL, if he doesn't mark the ball will drop it to the foot of the contest, proven big game player, excellent second ruck providing the ultimate flexibility in the modern game... high rotations etc etc.

Strongest player at the club in chin ups for a 104 kg player is also worth a mention.

He is 2 players in one and excellent in 2 of the most important roles in the game.

Do you want to know more?????????????????????

Excellent in 2 of the most important roles in the game? Seriously? He has thus far proven to be an OK-to-good ruckman and a good solid forward.

I know that you look at him and think, "Yeah, this guy should be one of the best players in the comp", but when you actually look at what he's achieved, he's nowhere near it.

yi

Part of the reason his salary is so high is that we made the mistake of over paying him on his last contract. The inflation was caused by the suns entry and the $$$ they had to splash around. At the time he was our only key forward of note so we upped the ante to keep him.

So his starting point is inflated thanks to the suns. Of course enticing him to leave , or stay, takes more again.

Its not just that of course. His value was increased with the sub rule as well. A unique player. I think its fair to say he is a decent player who has had the planets align for him. In any other era I cant imagine he would be in such demand.

He fills a need that not many can, but will add nothing else to his new club.

Thank you. At least this somewhat explains his ludicrously high salary. But given that, at least to my eye, he hasn't improved at all since that contract was signed, and it would have been negotiated under the assumption that he would, I honestly can't see why he's expecting more, nor why my club is apparently willing to pay him more.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

AFGM, is it possible that Tippets 'contract' with GC has gone out the window due to the 2 parties failing to agree on terms before Tuesday? Just a whisper I heard.

No-one at West Lakes expected Tippett and Blucher to have played things in the way that they have. Prior to the Preliminary Final Gold Coast were absolutely certain that things would go according to plan. They had a contract with Kurt and an agreement with the AFC, what could possibly go wrong?

I don't know the answer, speculation is that Coast tried to add some protection in the contract should Kurt's concussions re-occur. Whatever the reason, Blucher decided to shop Tippett around to demonstrate his market value to Gold Coast.

The smart money is still on Gold Coast.

 

[Membling]

Meh.. Seen Jeremy Howe's?

There is more to footy than contested marking otherwise Tippett would be worth a million dollars

Hence why we've been working with him on his kicking

 

[Nashka]

Love the Port story. Poor Stuart Dew.

The second one was the best one.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Hence why we've been working with him on his kicking

You dont think we had been working on Tippetts A shit kick is a shit kick

 

[Carmo]

Why? You've just agreed with me that he is about the pick 10 mark. And the nearest player would be Mitch Clarke.

I'm just discussing his worth. As stated previously I'd prefer we don't get him.

P.S. you should really check out Reid's contested marking...

I said no less than 10.

Would you agree with me the range should extend to pick 3? Perhaps I've still got crows coloured glasses on there, 6 definitely, would you agree with that?

Grundy's a good player, I would be happy for him at the crows, but there needs to be more thrown in, we're not sure that 22 is enough, which if it isnt, then sydney have to trade away someone else or something else with others to get things of value to throw in, which must be complicating things, lucky they've got a month!

I had a good look at reid's marking, he does get contested ones for sure but some of them are what I call semi contested on the lead, he still does get some proper contested ones though. He's still nowhere near the tippett ballpark tho. If you had tippett you wouldnt believe how much easier life would get for reid and goodes, even ROK if he goes down forward or Pyke or Mummy.

 

[headache1]

Charming. The entire reason I'm here is because I want to hear from some people that watch Tippett why my club might be offering this amount, so using that as evidence isn't informative in the slightest.

I would really like to know what it is that I'm missing that makes Tippett worth so much.

People have told you already. He's 202cm, 104kg, incredibly athletic for his size, able to play as a key forward and a ruck, one of the best contested markers in the game, attracts the oppositions best defenders and is often double teamed each week, is a rare commodity, and will have to be paid slightly over the odds to make him choose going to Sydney over heading back home.

We as supporters tend to think that people like him and Cloke are overpaid, however, Collingwood were top 4 and ended up signing Cloke at $800k a year for 5 years. The Crows were top 4 and offered Tippett $800k a year for five years. Sydney, the eventual premiers are apparently offering $1m a year for Tippett, and both aforementioned players don't seem to have had any trouble attracting multiple offers from other teams in the same dollar vicinity. Therefore, clubs obviously rate what these guys can bring to a team very, very highly. We like to think we're experts on BF, but the reality is that we aren't, and the people who control the chequebooks of AFL clubs are.

 

[Vader]

No-one at West Lakes expected Tippett and Blucher to have played things in the way that they have. Prior to the Preliminary Final Gold Coast were absolutely certain that things would go according to plan. They had a contract with Kurt and an agreement with the AFC, what could possibly go wrong?

I don't know the answer, speculation is that Coast tried to add some protection in the contract should Kurt's concussions re-occur. Whatever the reason, Blucher decided to shop Tippett around to demonstrate his market value to Gold Coast.

The smart money is still on Gold Coast.

Let's see.. what could go wrong. Obviously they don't have a contract with Tippett, as you've frequently stated. There may have been (and almost certainly was) a gentleman's agreement that Tippett would be traded to GC with a minimum of fuss, but it's patently obvious by now that no contracts were ever exchanged.

What's happened is that GC have decided that he's not worth the coin that's being offered by some of the other clubs. Tippett wants to have his cake and eat it too (thanks Macca23), going home and having the premium salary. Problem is that home is team A (GC), premium salary is on offer at team B (Sydney), the best of both worlds (good salary, close to home) is team C (Brisbane). Where do his priorities really lie? I think he's holding out in the hope that GC will raise their offer. Failing that, he has a tough decision to make - go home, or go where the money is. This is why he's delaying an announcement.. things haven't happened the way he had hoped, now he's in a situation that neither he nor his manager expected.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Charming. The entire reason I'm here is because I want to hear from some people that watch Tippett why my club might be offering this amount, so using that as evidence isn't informative in the slightest.

I would really like to know what it is that I'm missing that makes Tippett worth so much.

Your not missing anything, he isn't worth that much. His price is inflated due to his supposed potential and occasional brilliance. Overall, very good AFL player, but not a great one. Certainly, not elite. Worth, based on performances, is probably more around $550,000 per season. However, even the Crows offered him $800,000 per season. It's all a mystery to me. His prime asset is his ability to take contested marks (which recruiters love). However, is very inconsistent and a wobbly shot at goal.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Charming. The entire reason I'm here is because I want to hear from some people that watch Tippett why my club might be offering this amount, so using that as evidence isn't informative in the slightest.

I would really like to know what it is that I'm missing that makes Tippett worth so much.

Here you go.
Justin Koszitchke... A thread was started well before he walked comparing him to the great man from St Kilda. The overpaid big guy who plays a decent quarter every 2 weeks but goes missing for the other 7 and reguarly knocks himself out.

The only differences
* Kosi is a lovely kick
* Kosi once had an elite month
* kosi may be a good bloke

 

[Membling]

I said no less than 10.

Would you agree with me the range should extend to pick 3? Perhaps I've still got crows coloured glasses on there, 6 definitely, would you agree with that?

Grundy's a good player, I would be happy for him at the crows, but there needs to be more thrown in, we're not sure that 22 is enough, which if it isnt, then sydney have to trade away someone else or something else with others to get things of value to throw in, which must be complicating things, lucky they've got a month!

I had a good look at reid's marking, he does get contested ones for sure but some of them are what I call semi contested on the lead, he still does get some proper contested ones though. He's still nowhere near the tippett ballpark tho. If you had tippett you wouldnt believe how much easier life would get for reid and goodes, even ROK if he goes down forward or Pyke or Mummy.

6-10 for mine.

I see that Tippett would take the pressure of Reid another option etc etc. Don't get me wrong Grundy and 22 aren't enough pick 13-16 more realistic to maybe get it done (depends on circumstance etc etc). Waiting for tippett to finally say 'GC it is so all this can move on as a trade would be ridiculous hard to manufacture.

Reid's got a few years to catch up to Kurt.

You dont think we had been working on Tippetts A shit kick is a shit kick

Easy up, played defense until pretty much last year... surprisingly field kicking is rather good.