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[xchadders]

Thats an interesting question. Given they forced us not to draft (in the last week) it now falls on them. If we are found to be guilty of a lesser crime and the penalty reflects this would we have the right to demand of or sue the AFL. I see Shine Lawyers are advertising here so perhaps we should "stand our ground".

i dont think they forced us not to trade him, more that they wouldnt allow a trade that resembled our secret contract with him. if sydney came out and said we could have 23 + rohan i think they would have allowed the trade. could be wrong though.

 

[Mego Red]

Right. I'm sure playing meaningless games will have no impact on the team. I cannot imagine any greater example of supporters over valuing draft picks than those who would rather lose premiership points than pick 20 in a draft.

If people want to get excited about draft picks, get excited about a top three pick in Crouch who will be added to our list. We are insulated this year, yes extra players at the pointy end of the draft would be nice but this year is the best year for us to lose picks. Losing points would be soul destroying any year.

Nope. STILL misunderstanding.

If anything, our games now have MORE meaning. Each win is worth more as we're starting further back. It's like being further back in a sprint. Just means you have to work a bit harder - which we'd like to encourage as part of our culture - and we have a first round pick to help us in the future.

There is nothing soul destroying about having something to overcome. That builds character. Taking away draft picks is something that we can't overcome - they're the building blocks of your side.

Excited about Crouch? Sure. We gave up two first round picks for him (and a second or third round in Brown), so let's look forward to him proving he was worth it. I'm sure he will.

 

[Mego Red]

Correct. Clueless to say youd rather lose points.

Pick 20 could be shithouse.

Pre Dangerfield we sucked with our first few picks. We were always much better at finding the roughies late. Who says that we cant do that again.

So - your plan for improvement is to hope for every other side to be worse than us in identifying talent?

That's the kind of arrogance that has gotten us into a lot of problems as a club. You'll fit right in.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Yeah, nah! Not gonna happen!

The absolute best outcome we can hope for is if AFL "allowed" us to get compensation if Kurt gets picked up by GWS as our 2nd uncontracted player (I know the window has closed). But if hell froze over and AFL said because AFC have lost Davis to GWS and are loosing Kurt Tippett they are allowed to be compensated by the AFL so we get Tier 1 or Tier 2 compensation to activate in next draft.

Most likely scenario is, we get sweet **** all for Kurt, get a massive fine and lose draft picks in this year's draft and possibly next year's draft as well.

When you look at it like that, its a pretty bloody big penalty. Hopefully we can off-set that by raiding the free agency market next year.

I just cant see all that happening in this instance. IMO we will get a fine only without any loss of draft picks. We've already lost kurt for nothing.
Most of the stories have been nothing but media beat up telling us what the penalries could be not what they are likley to be.
For us to get a massive fine and loss of draft picks this year and next, on top of losing knob head for nothing, means the AFL would view our conduct worse than what Carltank did....and that just isn't the case.

Hope Im right and your wrong on this one.

 

[IddyBiddy]

Nope. STILL misunderstanding.

If anything, our games now have MORE meaning. Each win is worth more as we're starting further back. It's like being further back in a sprint. Just means you have to work a bit harder - which we'd like to encourage as part of our culture - and we have a first round pick to help us in the future.

There is nothing soul destroying about having something to overcome. That builds character. Taking away draft picks is something that we can't overcome - they're the building blocks of your side.

Excited about Crouch? Sure. We gave up two first round picks for him (and a second or third round in Brown), so let's look forward to him proving he was worth it. I'm sure he will.

Why don't we break the legs of danger and tex while we're at it. Heck, the more adversity the better.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

This has about 0% chance of happening IMO. The chances of the Crows getting anything in return for Tippett ended a couple of weeks ago.

I agree, losing Tippett for nothing will be the very minimum penalty for the Crows. Paying any $'s outside the salary cap could be the kicker.

I reckon the AFL will be dead keen to get Tippett to GWS & not Sydney & will make sure of this. Don't reckon Sheeds is foxing this time.

 

[Footypie32]

I assume he means without an AFL home, rather than living out of a box or something.

Nah, I'd love to see him all cramped up inside a tiny little box. Waking up with a stiff neck everyday and yelling passers-by "I used to play for the Crows", to replies of "yeah, sure mate"...

#justjoking

 

[Realslimshady2]

I assume he means without an AFL home, rather than living out of a box or something.

That's how I read it.

 

[macca23]

Yeah, nah! Not gonna happen!

The absolute best outcome we can hope for is if AFL "allowed" us to get compensation if Kurt gets picked up by GWS as our 2nd uncontracted player (I know the window has closed). But if hell froze over and AFL said because AFC have lost Davis to GWS and are loosing Kurt Tippett they are allowed to be compensated by the AFL so we get Tier 1 or Tier 2 compensation to activate in next draft.

Most likely scenario is, we get sweet **** all for Kurt, get a massive fine and lose draft picks in this year's draft and possibly next year's draft as well.

When you look at it like that, its a pretty bloody big penalty. Hopefully we can off-set that by raiding the free agency market next year.

The club appearing to be fearing something along these lines as Noble and his band of merry men are scouring the second tier competitions (SANFL, VFL, WAFL etc) for mature aged recruits in their early 20's to fill our needs for defence and outside mid, as they fear we will lose our first 2 maybe 3 draft picks this year, on top of the loss of Tippett plus copping a huge fine.

I think this is an at worst scenario and doubt that we will be penalised in the draft next year as well as that would be very crippling for offences that are miniscule compared to those of Carlton and other salary cap cheats. Still, it is the AFL and we aren't a protected club like Collingwood.

 

[PykeDream]

The club appearing to be fearing something along these lines as Noble and his band of merry men are scouring the second tier competitions (SANFL, VFL, WAFL etc) for mature aged recruits in their early 20's to fill our needs for defence and outside mid, as they fear we will lose our first 2 maybe 3 draft picks this year, on top of the loss of Tippett plus copping a huge fine.

I think this is an at worst scenario and doubt that we will be penalised in the draft next year as well as that would be very crippling for offences that are miniscule compared to those of Carlton and other salary cap cheats. Still, it is the AFL and we aren't a protected club like Collingwood.

COLLINGWOOD has been fined $20,000 for a breach of AFL player rules.

AFL investigations manager Ken Wood found that an administrative error meant the club had breached Total Player Payment (TPP) rules by failing to lodge two player agreements for additional services within the required time frame.

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Don't know about anyone else but I'd not even call that a slap on the wrist, for a very, very similar offence.

 

[fabs33]

I suspect the AFL would be able to claim that since Swans weren't going to offer anything we would accept and Tippett wouldnt go elsewhere that a deal was unlikely anyway and PSD was the most likely result.

Unfortunately I can see this happening.

 

[fabs33]

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Don't know about anyone else but I'd not even call that a slap on the wrist, for a very, very similar offence.

According to Caroline Wilson any outside payments that we allegedly paid Tippett would have fitted within the salary cap at the time, which is remarkably similar to what is reported in that article.

Still, it is the AFL and we aren't a protected club like Collingwood.

But like macca23 said we're not "protected".

 

[stu0411]

According to Caroline Wilson any outside payments that we allegedly paid Tippett would have fitted within the salary cap at the time, which is remarkably similar to what is reported in that article.



But like macca23 said we're not "protected".

Speaking of protected I was speaking to colleague interstate the other day that said he became a Collingwood "member" by purchasing a case of wine dubbed the "presidents" selection....Apologies but I cant remember specifics, it was at a work dinner.

This apparently made him a member, once the offer was redeemed, and he now receives official club emails/notifications etc. While it doesn't get him access to games in the way a normal membership would I am wondering if these so called 3rd party memberships count towards the AFL's total club member numbers. Surely this can't be so. A bit off topic so apologies in advance.

 

[Mego Red]

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Don't know about anyone else but I'd not even call that a slap on the wrist, for a very, very similar offence.

Doesn't sound like Collingwood conspired to keep their outside payments secret.

That's the core offense. We mounted a three year conspiracy to mislead and obscure the truth about our payments and the incentives offered to Kurt to sign.

Any idea that they're going to go soft on us is just ludicrous.

 

[Mego Red]

Speaking of protected I was speaking to colleague interstate the other day that said he became a Collingwood "member" by purchasing a case of wine dubbed the "presidents" selection....Apologies but I cant remember specifics, it was at a work dinner.

This apparently made him a member, once the offer was redeemed, and he now receives official club emails/notifications etc. While it doesn't get him access to games in the way a normal membership would I am wondering if these so called 3rd party memberships count towards the AFL's total club member numbers. Surely this can't be so. A bit off topic so apologies in advance.

It does. It is how Hawthorn has high membership numbers but relatively low crowds. Haven;t you read those reports about folks signing up their pets as members?

 

[LiquidCrow]

Speaking of protected I was speaking to colleague interstate the other day that said he became a Collingwood "member" by purchasing a case of wine dubbed the "presidents" selection....Apologies but I cant remember specifics, it was at a work dinner.

I have also heard of this before. This is the wine deal, company owner is a die hard 'pies fan - http://www.getwinesdirect.com/pdf/press.pdf

 

[stu0411]

It does. It is how Hawthorn has high membership numbers but relatively low crowds. Haven;t you read those reports about folks signing up their pets as members?[/quote

Nope, hence the post. It just seems wrong on so many levels.

Lol, not sure how I managed to post my reply in your quote!

 

[stu0411]

I have also heard of this before. This is the wine deal, company owner is a die hard 'pies fan - http://www.getwinesdirect.com/pdf/press.pdf

That must be it. Fukn ridiculous.

 

[PykeDream]

Doesn't sound like Collingwood conspired to keep their outside payments secret.

That's the core offense. We mounted a three year conspiracy to mislead and obscure the truth about our payments and the incentives offered to Kurt to sign.

Any idea that they're going to go soft on us is just ludicrous.

There's nothing so say that Collingwood complied at any stage before the AFL became aware though. In fact the article states the the AFL Moderator Ken Wood discovered the breach, it may have been concealed by the club up until that point. It does show that the AFL aren't all that concerned if salary caps and payments aren't strictly by the book in every instance, particularly if it's a cash printing machine like the Pies.

I agree our misleading of the AFL will hurt us badly, its just a question of how much damage the AFL believe they can inflict on us without losing a significan proportion of future SA revenue.

 

[SydCrow]

You would expect that, all things being equal, Melbourne's tanking penalty should be greater than ours. Tanking is the biggest risk to the integrity of the competition (apart from blatant, sustained salary cap abuse of the Storm variety - we have not done this).

I suspect that Vlad will squib the Melbourne penalty to protect his own position, which could indirectly help us.

 

[Iva Bigun]

MUCH rather lose premiership points than draft picks.

Losing draft picks can put you behind for years. The right player drafted at 20 could be significant for us long term

Starting next year two games behind, so we officially end the year with fourteen wins instead of sixteen (or whatever)? Who cares?

I can't see them taking premiership points off you guys unless they banned the Crows from next years draft as well. If they took points off you and then you finished say 15th and received a top 5 draft pick you would actually be rewarded. So I just can't see them doing it.

Plus banning you from a second draft would be over the top.

 

[baldandbroke]

Losing premiership points is surely not going to happen ... it is a MASSIVE penalty. Those who say we will win 16+ games so what does it matter - are not showing the competition enough respect.

Top 4 is the aim, and you need every point you can to achieve this.

Top draft picks don't mean as much, look at Melbourne - do you see their low round picks delivering a premiership? Nope. Most of them are gone to other clubs now.

Fines ... yes. Losing draft picks ... yes. Losing Points ... no.

 

[fairfooty]

Bit off topic, but I wonder if the father actually enjoyed seeing his son play football or was it all just about the money? Just musing...

 

[SydCrow]

interesting question as to appeal rights - if the decision is handed down before the ND and we appeal (to court) and the appeal can't be heard in time, query how that will affect the draft? We may be better off not appealing and taking our medicine this year as opposed to appealing, losing and having the penalty apply to next year's draft

 

[Tex200]

Bit off topic, but I wonder if the father actually enjoyed seeing his son play football or was it all just about the money? Just musing...

Massive generalization I know. But in my experience it takes a particular personality type to be successful in construction industry.

I can't imagine the choice of sport/occupation would have ever been as important to tippett snr, as what could be extracted from it.