Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[SpeciousArgument]

And if you can't see the issue there, then you might want to think again. Females in male dominated positions are often judged on their looks and not their abilities by people making comments. Or if someone wants to disagree with a point, the easiest way taken to rebut is not to discuss the points so much but to start talking down someone's looks instead.

For a picture of her to be posted and people to talk about her looks is what I consider a form of misogyny. Just consider how much Caroline Wilson cops because of how she looks and compare that to most other male journalists (Rucci is a special case ).

So, I agree that posting a pic of a journalist is low and there is a long history of why this is especially bad in reference to females.

I dont disagree with your point (all i actually said was that i thought she looked 13) did you notice i posted pictures of 5 sports journalists, the majority of them being MALE sports journalists?

Believe it or not i'm capable of viewing her abilities and talents seperately from her external appearances, perhaps youre a little over sensitive.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

That's still a matter of opinion.
If that best case scenario results, i would still retain Trigg but i'm a softie in the circumstances.

I have been advocatintg to wait for the penalties before deciding on Trigg. However, it does seem highly likely now that we have at least 3 draft years (including this year) in penalties. If that is the case Trigg needs to go immediately and I would suggest more turnover is needed (at Board level too) as they havent put in appropriate accountability measures. WE as supporters must DEMAND a 100% guarantee that something like this can never ever hapen again. With respect to Chapman and the Board this is no longer about what they want. Decision must be based on what is best for the supporters. Without these you have no club. If the penalties are severe the supporters will not want Trigg anywhere near the club. To keep him would be giving us the finger! I personally will find it hard to support the club.

 

[Marty64]

Legit question - for the protection of the club, should Chapman throw Trigg under the bus?

Yes...
If as reported that the board knew in 2011 about the deal and recorded it in the minutes as being dodgy then the next bus has board members in it's path.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Just for Nikki Noo's edification, the question was in no way related to the article, or any of her articles for that matter. I haven't even read the article. It was a completely independent question.

Nikki, didn't your profile pic use to be of a topless Crow with an ice vest? Why did you have to use that pic? What did that have to do with his playing ability?

Slippery slope, Nikki Noo.....

Pipe down and take it in the spirit it was intended.

I will not pipe down and you want to talk about context, this is context to the icon. The image was of Chris Knights in a gps/heart monitor, not an ice vest and the wording with the icon was "Real men wear bras" as that is what the gps/heart rate monitor does look like.The reason I used it was precisely because of the text on the icon. Just as I objected to earlier in this thread when the nickname of Skirt was being paraded around for Kurt and the implication that he was a girl because he was believed to be mentally weak.

Yes, I can appreciate an attractive form be it male or female as you can see by the icon I use now.

When comments on appreciation or dislike of someone's looks is about a female journalist, even if you are attempting to put it in place of separating from her job, it is rarely done so. This is why I made my comment.

 

[scottwade]

Excellent question. Is scottwade about?

Now there is a Sydney poster who is always welcome

Thank you. (Although I realise it is just a ruse to get me banned from the Sydney board. ).

Had a quick look at the player rules/draft booklet and didn't see the situation regarding de-registered players nominating for the draft specifically covered.

However I would imagine, provided Tippett is not excluded from the draft (and effectively have to serve a 12 month penalty) that he would be treated as every other previously listed player and be permitted to nominate his financial terms.

Even if Tippett were to be de-registered, for a period of less than 12 months, I presume the AFL would still allow him to nominate for the draft and that any penalty would be served after that point.

FWIW these are some of the prescribed penalties that Tippett may face

17.19 Conduct Prejudicial to Draft –Sanctions
17.19.2 Player
Where a charge is sustained against a Player, the sanction shall be:-
(a) a sanction of up to 50 Units;
(b) where the conduct was intended or likely to have the effect of
enabling the Player to play with a particular Club, forfeiture for
a period of three years of the Player's right to play for or be a
registered Player of that Club; and
(c) exclusion from any right to participate in the Draft for a period
of twelve months from the date such charge is sustained

However there is that AFL catch all of;

16.1 Commission May Grant Relief
(a) Subject to Rule 16.1(b), if the Commission is satisfied that any Club or
person who is in breach of or has failed to comply with these Rules
ought fairly and reasonably to be excused from liability hereunder, it
may relieve that person either wholly or partly from that liability on such
terms and conditions as it thinks fit.
(b) Rule 16.1(a) does not apply to any decision of the Tribunal or Appeal
Board.

 

[Slippery Pete]

"Real men wear bras"

Misandrist.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

I will not pipe down and you want to talk about context, this is context to the icon. The image was of Chris Knights in a gps/heart monitor, not an ice vest and the wording with the icon was "Real men wear bras" as that is what the gps/heart rate monitor does look like.The reason I used it was precisely because of the text on the icon. Just as I objected to earlier in this thread when the nickname of Skirt was being paraded around for Kurt and the implication that he was a girl because he was believed to be mentally weak.

Yes, I can appreciate an attractive form be it male or female as you can see by the icon I use now.

When comments on appreciation or dislike of someone's looks is about a female journalist, even if you are attempting to put it in place of separating from her job, it is rarely done so. This is why I made my comment.

You were the one that drew the connection between her work and her appearance though

 

[juzzo]

I spoke to someone last night that had recently spoken with Trigg (int he last 2 days). The club are fully expecting to get smashed here. We are in some very deep trouble.
The fine as reported sounds about right. We will lose the first 2 round picks in the next two drafts (which makes it three drafts in total) - this is going to crush us in 6-10 years time. Some very lean years are ahead.
Trigg is expecting to be banned from any and all AFL positions for a lengthy period of time. He was hoping to argue it down to a 6 month ban, but it is most likely to be years. He won't be our CEO this time next week. Reid will cop a similar ban. Harper also although a smaller time frame.

Ultimately Trigg is gone, Reid punished, Harper gone. We lose the equivalent of 8 first round draft picks (the 6 from the National drafts plus the 2 we could have had from Brisbane for Tippett). Our ability to negotiate and keep our star players in the future will be massively hampered. Our premiership window that was just opening will close exceptionally quickly. We will need to become absolute masters of trading and free-agent trickery.
And all of this for a selfish egotistic nob-end who is an overpaid and overrated tosser. Management at its finest people.

Think you mean 5 first round + 3 2nd round picks

Technical question. Will a ban on us from early draft picks only apply to the picks we are issued with each year, or will it also include picks we trade in?

Only allocated picks, from all reports you will not be barred from trade or free agency.

 

[Vader]

If the AFL are really contemplating the loss of draft picks in 2014 as well, then hopefully they will make this penalty along with a chunk of the financial penalty being suspended, subject to our good behaviour in all areas during this period.

If they don't make them suspended, then surely the AFC must take this to court. Surely we could argue that we would have been denied natural justice, given that our penalty would have exceeded that handed to Carlton a decade ago - when Carlton's was by any measure the significantly worse offence.

 

[Slippery Pete]

What exactly was Carlton's punishment?

 

[SpeciousArgument]

What exactly was Carlton's punishment?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Thank you. (Although I realise it is just a ruse to get me banned from the Sydney board. ).

Had a quick look at the player rules/draft booklet and didn't see the situation regarding de-registered players nominating for the draft specifically covered.

However I would imagine, provided Tippett is not excluded from the draft (and effectively have to serve a 12 month penalty) that he would be treated as every other previously listed player and be permitted to nominate his financial terms.

Even if Tippett were to be de-registered, for a period of less than 12 months, I presume the AFL would still allow him to nominate for the draft and that any penalty would be served after that point.

FWIW these are some of the prescribed penalties that Tippett may face


However there is that AFL catch all of;

Not sure if its related, but when the Pies/Brett Chalmers were done for draft tampering, wasn't he specifically excluded from being traded to/drafted by the Pies? I don't know the specific details, so the Crows here may be able to clarify (it does seem to show some level are targeted restrictions are allowed though)

 

[bjn1960]

We can only hope.

I do get the feeling that the AFL will be reluctant to cripple the club. I have heard whispers to the effect that, the AFL don't want to see a repeat of Carlton being noncompetitive for an extended period, which was the result of their penalties.

Adelaide are one of the few clubs that pay their own way in the comp, I reckon the AFL will be mindful of this.
Well, I effing hope so.

Perhaps individuals will face heavier penalties than was the case at Carlton - to dissuade future non-compliance by clubs' employees, as apposed to just club penalties alone.

 

[juzzo]

What exactly was Carlton's punishment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Football_Club_salary_cap_breach

 

[bjn1960]

Which one is she?

The one on the book cover!

 

[Vader]

According to that item in the Advertiser:

"A club fine of $400,000 and ban from the first two rounds of the next two national drafts is expected."

Forgive my ignorance - I am not knowledgable about recruiting matters - but what exactly are the "next two national drafts." Does this relate to all drafts for the next two years, or only for the next two draft processes e.g. pre-season, rookie, national?

The only solace I can take from this is that the Advertiser's hit rate on stories relating to the Tippettgate scandal is currently running at 0%. EQ and CW have done a reasonably good job. They obviously have a source who is feeding them accurate, if not unbiased information, either within AFL House or (more likely) Tippett Corporation. They haven't hit the mark with every story they've run, but their hit rate has been extraordinary nevertheless.

In contrast, the Ragvertiser have run story after story - getting it wrong every single time. They got wind that there was a story about dodgy payments, so they ran with Joel Tippett's transfer to West Adelaide (as just 1 example). Even 5AA's Stephen Rowe has had a better hit rate.

If the Ragvertiser says we'll get pinged in both the '13 and '14 drafts, having already surrendered picks in the '12 draft, then I'm betting that things won't pan this way at all.

 

[scottwade]

Only allocated picks, from all reports you will not be barred from trade or free agency.

Looks like trading is at least restricted.

17.21 No Exchanges for Excluded Clubs
Any Club which is excluded from the right to participate in any National Draft
shall not in the period prior to such National Draft Selection Meeting referred
to in Rule 4.3.1 or otherwise be entitled to exchange any Player or Players on
its Primary List for a Player or Players of another Club.

Whilst the rules don't specify that you can't trade players out for draft picks, if a club is barred from at least part of a ND it would obviously be pointless to trade for picks for the rounds from which you are barred.

 

[Vader]

Technical question. Will a ban on us from early draft picks only apply to the picks we are issued with each year, or will it also include picks we trade in?

Unknown at this stage. Carlton weren't allowed to trade their way into the 1st or 2nd rounds.

 

[Vader]

Is Emma Quayle hot?

Considerably hotter than her boss Caroline Wilson.

 

[juzzo]

Looks liking trading is at least restricted.


Whilst the rules don't specify that you can't trade players out for draft picks, if a club is barred from at least part of a ND it would obviously be pointless to trade for picks for the rounds from which you are barred.

Good find, but I read it differently. Crows won't be excluded the right to participate completely. I see it as Adelaide having their specific picks taken away rather than being banned from a certain round. If Carlton were able to keep their "earnt" priority pick, Adelaide should be able to use their "earnt" picks through trading.

Can anyone remember if Carlton were banned from trading? Nvm confirmed by Vader.

 

[Tex200]

Thank you. (Although I realise it is just a ruse to get me banned from the Sydney board. ).

Had a quick look at the player rules/draft booklet and didn't see the situation regarding de-registered players nominating for the draft specifically covered.

However I would imagine, provided Tippett is not excluded from the draft (and effectively have to serve a 12 month penalty) that he would be treated as every other previously listed player and be permitted to nominate his financial terms.

Even if Tippett were to be de-registered, for a period of less than 12 months, I presume the AFL would still allow him to nominate for the draft and that any penalty would be served after that point.

FWIW these are some of the prescribed penalties that Tippett may face


However there is that AFL catch all of;

Thanks mate very useful.

17.19.2(b) and (c) are very interesting especially if he is found guilty.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Unknown at this stage. Carlton weren't allowed to trade their way into the 1st or 2nd rounds.

the interesting thing is we now have free agency.

If the Crows get not only banned from rounds 1-2 for 3 years, but also banned from trading into it, but then banned from getting FA compo in these rounds, the pain will be bloody severe

 

[bjn1960]

And if you can't see the issue there, then you might want to think again. Females in male dominated positions are often judged on their looks and not their abilities by people making comments. Or if someone wants to disagree with a point, the easiest way taken to rebut is not to discuss the points so much but to start talking down someone's looks instead.

For a picture of her to be posted and people to talk about her looks is what I consider a form of misogyny. Just consider how much Caroline Wilson cops because of how she looks and compare that to most other male journalists (Rucci is a special case ).

So, I agree that posting a pic of a journalist is low and there is a long history of why this is especially bad in reference to females.

Not you too NikkiNoo! - the misogyne rebukes.

 

[BrissyCrow]

why does the image of the person have any relevance to the actual article.

It does. If a Journo has a beard in our perception he comes across as being less trustworthy. Maybe unfortunate but its true. Iam not sure about our perception if the journo is as ugly as a hat full of arseholes like Caro we do make judgement call about a persons credibility/personality by their appearance. Why do people turn up for an interview in a suit. Appearances can influence our perception.

 

[footy_noob]

Has a BF thread ever reached 1,000 pages in less than two months?

Nope. It'll be a first.