Toby Greene boot to Luke Dahlhaus face.

[Bollox]

Have you even seen some of the injuries caused by studs? I suggest you do some googling. There's a reason why it's an automatic red card in soccer. I'd rather take a hit from the knees, elbow and hips because they're not at the end of a lever so the range of movement in those areas is limited.

If Greene went any higher around the eye area, we'd be talking about potential loss of sight.

Many. Had them.
I;ve also seen broken cheekbones and eye sockets from collecting a hip.
Also seen blokes pissing blood for weeks after knees from a bloke going a hanger. I;ve seen just about everything i suppose. The average ruckman expects stud marks down his legs every game as well. They cop boots all the time also. I guess you could say i should have a rough idea what its like.

Why do i care what a red card in soccer is ? If i had to guess i reckon a knee square into someones back might also be a "red card"....and i can do that to you in the next marking contest no problem. I can cork you in the hip with a raised knee in a marking contest no problem. I can stomp on the instep of your foot accidentally as well. Being quite proficient at it, the chances if your head connecting with my elbow or forearm when i punch the ball away is also pretty damn good. You get hit on the back of the head its lights out quicker than from the front. All these things u may need to experience for yourself.

If i was Tony Lockett and you were sitting in the hole where i like to lead i reckon you might have stud marks all over you like a doormat within 10 minutes.

If i jump to receive that handball and turn my body you can go straight into my hip...you are out cold and possibly out for 8 weeks with a busted eye socket as well.

I dont need to exaggerate what Greene has done. It just looked ordinary but many things do on the footy field.

Greene had his eyes on the ball protecting his space. Dahlhous ran into his boot.

 

[Pklz]

Should be thrown out and seen in the same light as a high fend off. Free kick yes but there's nothing in the rules to see you cant use your foot to protect yourself.

I'm all for introducing a rule for no studs up stuff at the end of the season.

 

[slashin_velvet]

How many "marks of the year" contenders have involved studs to the back of an opposition player? An act where the player is intentionally using the opposition player as a springboard.

 

[W.C. Fry]

Don't think the AFL will want to give the green light for players going into contests with boot raised up at head height.
Think a week would an ok result. Or a fine, that gets upgraded to 1 week due to his priors this year already.

 

[Marcus DuQuesne]

How many "marks of the year" contenders have involved studs to the back of an opposition player? An act where the player is intentionally using the opposition player as a springboard.

Studs that are plastic..yep can cause some damage but nowhere near the studs of the 60s. Yeh leather with nails in them to fix to bottom of the leather soled football boots. Now those things could really do damage so much so that a pregame ritual was the umpire coming into the rooms pregame to check every players studs. As croc dundee said there not studs...these 1960s studs..now these are studs.

 

[Bollox]

Studs that are plastic..yep can cause some damage but nowhere near the studs of the 60s. Yeh leather with nails in them to fix to bottom of the leather soled football boots. Now those things could really do damage so much so that a pregame ritual was the umpire coming into the rooms pregame to check every players studs. As croc dundee said there not studs...these 1960s studs..now these are studs.

Yep...and even when an ump ran his hands over them they were still pointed in shape. The average moulded soles now arnt exactly a weapon. Blunt plastic. Not to say they cant be used as a weapon to deliberately hurt, or will cause damage if used to kick a guy. But we arnt even talking about a deliberate kick in this case. Its a raised foot from a bloke looking at the ball.

No doubt if someone properly kicked Dahlhaus in the face it could cause serious damage...however you cannot adjuducate or make rules on the basis of every "what if" that is possible.

It is just another one off thing that can look ordinary but i dont see any deliberate malicious act.

When they slow down/replay every single ruck contest, and every single marking contest, you can find a free kick that could be paid. Similarly when you slow down and replay every ordinary looking thing that happens you can find some sort of case to answer.

Kicking a bloke is an entirely different thing to what i see in this replay. This is standard footy that went a bit wrong for Dahlhaus. Looked a bit ordinary straight away, but on replay it isnt.

If it was Koshitske people would probably be joking about his lack of spacial awareness.

 

[Giant Pete]

He didn't kick him. A kicking action is different to what Toby performed.

 

[van peebles]

You're allowed to do a lot of things contesting a ball as long as they're not careless and injure the other player esp head high.
Greene jumps when Dalhaus is about a step and a half away and already braking, puts his hands up when Greene's boot comes up and doesn't have time to protect his face.
Now if Greene is a known gravity defier and can suspend himself mid air for a second or 2 with his boot in place then you might argue Dalhaus could have avoided it, but he is well within his right to approach the man about to receive a ball without having studs thrust upward at him esp 4-5 feet off ground within a split second.
It's a dangerous and careless move by Greene that has injured the head so it should be treated like all other tackles, bumps, fend offs that cause similar injury.

If all of the people who think he kicked him in the face are right he deserves 8 weeks.

 

[van peebles]

It would likely have been fine, because it's explicitly stated in the laws of the game that 'incidental contact' during a marking attempt is permitted, rule 15.4.3 (e).

It would have only been against the rules (if he were attempting a mark) if the action was deemed not to be incidental.

Yeah youre right.

 

[stefoid]

I dont get it. It looked like he was taking a mark. Is that why some people think there is a gray area?

You cant have blokes raise their leg to do ANYTHING if they arent taking a mark. Seriously is it OK for any player with the ball to see another player approaching and stick out a leg to fend them off?

You cant do 'dont argues' with your effing leg for chrisakes!

 

[Sedat!]

It's actually better for the Dogs if Greene gets off as GWS are playing West Coast next week. But for the sake of the game, you simply cannot be raising your boot towards a player's face in an open play situation. Marking contests are completely different situations to this and are therefore irrelevant as comparisons - the amount of commentary pertaining to marking contests made by the scribes and commentators to use as justification for his actions are proof that the coverage of the game is terminal.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

He didn't kick him. A kicking action is different to what Toby performed.

More of a boot massage?

For the record I'm not sure there was anything malicious in it, but think the MRP lottery will give him 2 down to 1 to "serve as a lesson to others". I'm guessing he'll then have loading on top to make it a 2 game suspension.

 

[Clems Knee]

Many. Had them.
I;ve also seen broken cheekbones and eye sockets from collecting a hip.
Also seen blokes pissing blood for weeks after knees from a bloke going a hanger. I;ve seen just about everything i suppose. The average ruckman expects stud marks down his legs every game as well. They cop boots all the time also. I guess you could say i should have a rough idea what its like.

Why do i care what a red card in soccer is ? If i had to guess i reckon a knee square into someones back might also be a "red card"....and i can do that to you in the next marking contest no problem. I can cork you in the hip with a raised knee in a marking contest no problem. I can stomp on the instep of your foot accidentally as well. Being quite proficient at it, the chances if your head connecting with my elbow or forearm when i punch the ball away is also pretty damn good. You get hit on the back of the head its lights out quicker than from the front. All these things u may need to experience for yourself.

If i was Tony Lockett and you were sitting in the hole where i like to lead i reckon you might have stud marks all over you like a doormat within 10 minutes.

If i jump to receive that handball and turn my body you can go straight into my hip...you are out cold and possibly out for 8 weeks with a busted eye socket as well.

I dont need to exaggerate what Greene has done. It just looked ordinary but many things do on the footy field.

Greene had his eyes on the ball protecting his space. Dahlhous ran into his boot.

You chose a good name. What a load of bollocks.

If you were Tony Lockett leading, you would be in a marking contest. this was not a marking contest.

If you jumped to receive that handball and didn't put your leg out straight, there would have been no contact, because of gravity (it's this thing we have on our planet) Greene would have landed before Dalhaus got there. Of course he would have needed to twist around to face the right direction: much easier to plant your foot into another player to twist in mid air. Very impressive parkour move, but should not be on the footy field.

If you are so experienced how come you don't understand the concept of peripheral vision? Are you really saying because Greene was not directly looking at Dalhaus he was not aware of him?
No of course not. Because in the same sentence you say that he is protecting his space, as if that is any form of defence. It isn't, unless it was in a marking contest.

 

[SloaneysDanger]

$1500 fine.

 

[Colonial]

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[The Final Word]

So Careless, High Contact, Low Impact?

Assuming so, and I don't watch enough to know but how many other "low impact" reports draw blood?

 

[Clems Knee]

It's actually better for the Dogs if Greene gets off as GWS are playing West Coast next week. But for the sake of the game, you simply cannot be raising your boot towards a player's face in an open play situation. Marking contests are completely different situations to this and are therefore irrelevant as comparisons - the amount of commentary pertaining to marking contests made by the scribes and commentators to use as justification for his actions are proof that the coverage of the game is terminal.

That's the problem isn't it? The game is covered by people with conflicted interest. They have vested interest in helping out their old club, or in maintaining their old boy's network. This colours their comments.

If this incident is looked at, there is no way the tribunal should arrive at any other conclusion than to charge Greene (Sometimes, inexplicably, an incident isn't even looked at.) All the media saying otherwise are kidding themselves and I am losing respect for them.

 

[PP34]

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Common sense prevails

 

[LFC2010]

Good decision for once by the MRP.

 

[BG32]

Yet a tap to the guts gets one game

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

If all of the people who think he kicked him in the face are right he deserves 8 weeks.

But have to grade as intentional and severe/ high force of impact which is hard to prove if eyes on footy. With eyes on ball he gets benefit of doubt and so has to be careless .

Personally I think he is a very good but overly aggressive player who took an opportunity to make contact - but as a forcible shove away to the oncoming player to the body/ torso , I don't think as white line feverish as he can be he has meant to get him in the face.

 

[JackFlash]

Insane decision! The MRP never cease to amaze.

 

[Colonial]

Yet a punch to the guts gets one game

EFA

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[SterlingArcher]

Reckless act, that was in play and not an incredibly 'unreasonable' action, but it does need to be clarified as unacceptable to recklessly stick your leg out like that, so a fine seems appropriate.

Any intent to hurt and it should have been 5-6 weeks but he was clearly going for the ball and protecting himself.

 

[Clems Knee]

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Well, Judd drew blood when he elbowed Pavlich in the face during his Carlton Brownlow year. Pavlich still bears the scar on his cheek, but the MRP said it was insufficient force.
To say this is low impact is comparable to that farce.

Don't jumper punch, don't give light punches to the stomach, don't bump and have an accidental head clash.
Just kick a player in the face and get away with a fine.

Wonder if it happens again (it's an effective way to play the game) will they clamp down on it?