Summer Tokyo 2021 - General Discussion and Preview Thread (23rd July to 8th Aug)

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BaggyGreens said:
Alicia Coutts of course.. she just kept turning up. A big heart.
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Yeah great competitor. Has a s**t load of silvers from her Olympics and World Champs in relays and individual events. Has a few 4ths and 5ths as well. Her only gold medal is the only swimming gold in London, the 4x100m freestyle relay.
 
Tonight's 4 Finals.

Larkin is a chance to win a medal in the 200 IM. Australian males have never won an Olympic 200 IM and only Rob Woodhouse in LA has won a 400 IM medal, bronze in 1984. Plenty of success in women's medley events.

Larkin's time of 1.56.29 is the 2nd fastest this year and 4th fastest since 1st Jan 2020. His swim's in December and April are also now 6th and 7th fastest since 1st Jan 2020.





Jenna Strauch's 2.23.12 is outside the top 30 swims since 1st Jan 2020





Tristan Hollard's 1:56.44 is about 30th ranked time since 1st Jan 2020 but 16th individual. 5 swimmers swam 7 of those times in 2020. Larkin's swim at nationals a couple of months ago has the 2nd fastest time since 1st Jan 2020. The 3 yanks will probably be top 8 after their trial swims.




Emma McKeon now has the 5 of the 6 fastest times this year, but its the strength of the 4x100m relay that is also a big deal. The 4 fastest time = 3.30.42 and the world record the Oz girls swam at the Comm Games on the GC is 3.30.05, so with flying starts a 3.28 is possible. At 2019 world champs Oz produced a 3.30.21 and yanks a 3.31.02 and Canada 3.31.78

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2021 Australian Olympic Trials - Day 5 Finals Live Recap

Emma McKeon challenged Cate Campbell's Australian record in the 100 free this morning. McKeon and Campbell lead a packed field in tonight's final.
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  1. Emma McKeon – 52.35
  2. Cate Campbell – 52.59
  3. Madison Wilson – 52.76
  4. Meg Harris – 52.92


McKeon was the first to surface after the start followed by Cate Campbell. McKeon continued to lead as she turned at the 50 in 24.90, a hair quicker than her 24.95 from this morning. Campbell was right behind McKeon as she turned in 24.95. McKeon and Campbell would battle over the second 50 with both ahead of world-record pace at the 75 meter mark. McKeon would hold on to win in 52.35 followed by Campbell in 52.59, and Wilson in 52.76. Campbell’s finish qualifies her for her fourth Olympic games.

In her post-race interview, Campbell spoke about the depth of the Australian women in this event. She asked everyone to look at the scoreboard saying “that is a world class scoreboard in a country of 23 million people.” The world record of 3:30.05 for the women’s 400 freestyle relay will be on notice in Tokyo. Overall, the top six finishers in the 100 freestyle all swam faster than the qualifying time of 53.31, which is set as the 8th place time from prelims at the 2019 FINA World Championships.

McKeon’s time of 52.19 from this morning vaults her to the top of the world rankings this season. Factoring in the swims from tonight, Australia now holds four of the top five fastest spots in this season’s rankings.


 
BaggyGreens said:
Why then didn't Mitch swim this event. Hollard now finds himself on the plane to Tokyo for his first Olympics..
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He's swimming the Individual medley and also the 100m (not 100% certain on the 100m could be wrong there), he dropped the 200m back, and it's the right call. He's not winning that anyway (US swimmers are 3+ seconds ahead, you just aren't). Set an AR in the heats in the medley.
 

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Also it opens him up for relays and what not. It's actually a smart play. Why swishers the 200m to come 5th or 6th at best in a final? Save your energy and go all in for an event the US aren't just going to bolt.
 
Some interesting times from US trials this morning

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2021 U.S. Olympic Trials Wave II: Day 4 Finals Live Recap

It will be a busy session for Katie Ledecky tonight, as she'll have both the women's 200 free final and the 1500 free final just over an hour apart.
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Women's 200m Final *** Edit how much did Ledecky back off for her 1500m swim about 20 minutes after this raced finished. The yanks are swimming to the Olympic schedule so how much will Ledecky change tactics in Tokyo?? Surely she goes flat out in the 200m.
  1. Katie Ledecky (NCAP), 1:55.11
  2. Allison Schmitt (SUN), 1:56.79
  3. Paige Madden (UVA), 1:56.80
  4. Katie McLaughlin (CAL), 1:57.16
  5. Bella Sims (SAND), 1:57.53
  6. Brooke Forde (LAK), 1:57.86
first 6 times of Oz final
  1. Ariarne Titmus – 1:53.09
  2. Emma McKeon – 1:54.74
  3. Madison Wilson – 1:55.68
  4. Leah Neale – 1:56.08
  5. = Harris and O'Callaghan 1:56.29
Women's 1,500m Final
  1. Katie Ledecky (NCAP), 15:40.50
  2. Erica Sullivan (SAND), 15:51.18
vs Oz final result
  1. Maddy Gough – 15:46.13
  2. Kiah Melverton – 15:57.14
Men's 200m Butterfly Final - Oz top 2 swimmers 1.55.25 and 1.55.40 but Euros will dominate this
  1. Zach Harting (CARD), 1:55.06
  2. Gunnar Bentz (DYNA), 1:55.34

Women's 200 IM Final - Oz's Kaylee McKeown's 2.08.19 is world's best in 2021
  1. Alex Walsh (NAC), 2:09.30
  2. Kate Douglass (UVA), 2:09.32

Men's 100m SF top 3 times - Chalmers swan a 48.58 in the heat and 47.59 in the final and 2nd place Temple swam 48.32 in the final. Dressel swam a 48.25 in his heat and Apple a 48.21.
  1. Caeleb Dressel (GSC), 47.77
  2. Zach Apple (MVN), 47.78
  3. Blake Pieroni (SAND), 48.13
 
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Olympic quiz:
start with an easy one.

Where and when was the first modern Olympics held. This is an image of it.
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The official Paris,1900 Olympic poster.
 
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Olympic quiz:

Only five nations have attended all summer Olympics? Name them.
 
BaggyGreens said:
SA website is showing 19/20 rankings so how do you keep up with current times. Titmus has always swam the 200/400m.. how about the other two distances .. 800m/1500m. Heck doesn't Ledecky swim and excel at all middle/long distance lengths.
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Titmus has done the 800m but has prioritised the others. She doesn’t plan on doing the 1500m they are specialist distances.

Ledecky is just a freak yes she does 200m up to 1500m.
 
Olympic Trivia:
Pigeon shooting was one of the sports on the program in Paris in 1900. Fortunately this shooting event was short lived. It was the only time animals were killed on purpose during an Olympic event.
 

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BaggyGreens said:
An apt description. I'd like Arnie to take up the 800m again.
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I’d rather her do her best ones. She isn’t beating Katie over 800/1500m. It’s never going to happen. You are talking 10 seconds minimum she’s having to make up and that’s if Katie doesn’t better her WR and she will lol
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
Titmus has done the 800m but has prioritised the others. She doesn’t plan on doing the 1500m they are specialist distances.

Ledecky is just a freak yes she does 200m up to 1500m.
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Same as Shane Gould. In the 9 months leading up to and including the 1972 Olympics, she held every freestyle world record for women from 100m to 1,500m the only female or male to ever do so. She also picked up the 200m IM world record at the Olympics

The 3 golds she won at Munich in 1972 were in WR times, 200m Free, 400m Free and 200m IM. It took a new WR to knock her off for silver in 800m and lose her sweep of freestyle WR times. She won bronze in the 100m Free but the 2 yanks didn't beat her WR. The 800m was her last individual swim at Munich.

Gould was the first swimmer, female or male, to win Olympic medals in five individual events in a single Olympics. Only Phelps has matched her in 2004, 4 golds and a bronze and 2008 5 golds.

She still is also the only Australian to win 3 individual gold medals at a single Olympics, a few have won 2 individual golds at an Olympics, Stephanie Rice, Murray Rose, Marjorie Jackson, Betty Cuthbert, Michael Wenden and Ryan Bayley but none have won 3 individual gold ( I'm sure I've missed one or two). The third for Rice, Rose and Cuthbert at the single games were in relay teams.

Jodie Henry won 100m Free + the 2 4x100m relays at Athens in 2004 as did Petria Thomas 100m Fly + the 2 4x100m relays in Athens.

Shane Gould was 15 and people questioned if she was disappointed she didn't win 5 golds. She was hounded, was just a normal teenager having to handle enormous media pressure with none of today's PR experts or athlete managers, and she retired at 16 as a result of it all. She hardly spoke publicly again until she started with regular interviews about 18 months before the Sydney Olympics.
 
royboy2 said:
Australia, Greece, GB, France....dunno the 5th
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Technically Australia was Australasia ie combined with NZ in 1908 and 1912 games and some sites and the IOC itself don't recognise as Australia. But the IOC do recognise Australia has been represented at every summer games.

Australia also wasn't a nation until 1st Jan 1901. But thanks to Edwin Flack rocking up to have a few runs and a hit of tennis from London, Australia says its been to every games.

The Victorian said:
If my memory is correct it's either Switzerland or Sweden?
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It's Switzerland - home of the IOC. The Swedes didn't go to 1896 games but the Swiss did.
 
Well done Swimming Oz for giving 200m Breastroker Matt Wilson a place on the team. He missed out on 2016 by 2/10ths of second and missed out by 0.24 at these trials for Swimming Oz's QT was 2.08.28 and FINA's QT is 2.10.35.

He went to 2019 World Champs, set a WR in the SF and won silver medal. His grandmother died just before the trials, so Swimming Oz has used their discretion to take him Tokyo. He got a huge cheer from the crowd tonight.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Well done Swimming Oz for giving 200m Breastroker Matt Wilson a place on the team. He missed out on 2016 by 2/10ths of second and missed out by 0.24 at these trials for Swimming Oz's QT was 2.08.28 and FINA's QT is 2.10.35.

He went to 2019 World Champs, set a WR in the SF and won silver medal. His grandmother died just before the trials, so Swimming Oz has used their discretion to take him Tokyo. He got a huge cheer from the crowd tonight.
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Well done Swimming Australia and well done Matty Wilson!!

Do we know if there was anyone who swam the QT but didn't get selected?
 
The Victorian said:
Well done Swimming Australia and well done Matty Wilson!!

Do we know if there was anyone who swam the QT but didn't get selected?
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I think he is the only one but a few relay swimmers who missed out on a swimming Oz QT but either swum a FINA QT either at the trials or in the qualifying time period might get to swim the individual event.

A nation can enter 2 athletes per event but only if both athletes have attained the Olympic Qualifying Time (OQT). One athlete per event can potentially enter if they meet the lower standard Olympic Selection Time (OST)

Eg Cam McEvoy made the 4x100m Free relay team because he finished 3rd in the 100m. He swam a 22.07 to win the 50m which didn't meet Swimming Oz's 21.77 QT or FINA's OQT 22.01 but he met FINA's OST of 22.67 so he will probably swim the 50m at Tokyo.

Same with 100m breaststroke winner Zac Stubblety-Cook who won but missed out on a Swimming Oz's QT and then a few days later almost broke the 200m breastroke WR. He was always going to be selected for the team so the 4x100m medley relay team had breastroke swimmer. His 59.69 didn't meet Swimming Oz's QT of 59.21 but it was inside FINA's OQT of 59.93 so he will get to swim that event as well.

Then there is Mack Horton who came 6th in 200m Free and gets to go as a relay swimmer and 3rd in the 400m. He swum a FINA OQT in the 200m but not a Swimming Oz QQT, and both in the 400m. If there was illness in either event to one of the qualified Oz swimmer's, he could get to swim those events.

See FINA's OQT's and QST's at

Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Qualification - Wikipedia

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RussellEbertHandball said:
I think he is the only one but a few relay swimmers who missed out on a swimming Oz QT but either swum a FINA QT either at the trials or in the qualifying time period might get to swim the individual event.

A nation can enter 2 athletes per event but only if both athletes have attained the Olympic Qualifying Time (OQT). One athlete per event can potentially enter if they meet the lower standard Olympic Selection Time (OST)

Eg Cam McEvoy made the 4x100m Free relay team because he finished 3rd in the 100m. He swam a 22.07 to win the 50m which didn't meet Swimming Oz's 21.77 QT or FINA's OQT 22.01 but he met FINA's OST of 22.67 so he will probably swim the 50m at Tokyo.

Same with 100m breaststroke winner Zac Stubblety-Cook who won but missed out on a Swimming Oz's QT and then a few days later almost broke the 200m breastroke WR. He was always going to be selected for the team so the 4x100m medley relay team had breastroke swimmer. His 59.69 didn't meet Swimming Oz's QT of 59.21 but it was inside FINA's OQT of 59.93 so he will get to swim that event as well.
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Nah I'm referring to those who did swim the time but didn't get selected by the AOC and swimming Aus
 
The Victorian said:
Nah I'm referring to those who did swim the time but didn't get selected by the AOC and swimming Aus
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Didn't happen. Sorry I should re read things after I start a post and then go do something else and then come back to finish it.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Kaylee McKeown was ahead of WR for most of the race, but wasn't great on the turns. Missed out by 0.93sec.
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Kaylee will get that world record. Someone implied Arnie was no longer swimming the 800m .. well she did, qualified and broke another Aussie record too. I also like the style of Kia Melverton.. pushed Arnie all the way and is a future star. Emma pips Cate in a snorter of a 50m while Temple earns another event. Where has this guy been?
 
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