Tom Bugg - In trouble? how many weeks? - now with a poll!

[DemonTim]

Are you saying that Bugg's action was justifiable?

Until Mills complains to the police, why would they investigate?

Your entire argument is that Bugg's action were not assault because the police are not involved.
Grow up son.

No. I never said that. I was correcting your sooking over someone explaining the law to you

They have footage of a serious crime according to yourself. Are you saying the police can have evidence of a crime being committed on camera but won't proceed because someone didn't complain?

No. Again, it's not. You're far too emotional about this. My point was simply explaining what armchair was saying and how the law works. You're misrepresenting points because you can't argue your original point.

 

[CheapCharlie]

No. I never said that. I was correcting your sooking over someone explaining the law to you

They have footage of a serious crime according to yourself. Are you saying the police can have evidence of a crime being committed on camera but won't proceed because someone didn't complain?

No. Again, it's not. You're far too emotional about this. My point was simply explaining what armchair was saying and how the law works. You're misrepresenting points because you can't argue your original point.

You are explaining the law to me? That actually brought tears of laughter to my eyes

Deluded apologists such as yourself are am embarrassment to the good people of the Melbourne football club.

 

[DemonTim]

You are explaining the law to me? That actually brought tears of laughter to my eyes

Deluded apologists such as yourself are am embarrassment to the good people of the Melbourne football club.

Well you've claimed the victim needs to complain for charges to be laid or even investigated. So yeah.

Yet again, you can't answer the questions and just misrepresent the point. Check my history on what I've said about bugg.

Although even in your fantasy land, why would you be whinging that he's not charged, if the victim (since in your world the victim decides who is charged) doesn't want him charged?

 

[CheapCharlie]

Well you've claimed the victim needs to complain for charges to be laid or even investigated. So yeah.

Yet again, you can't answer the questions and just misrepresent the point. Check my history on what I've said about bugg.

Although even in your fantasy land, why would you be whinging that he's not charged, if the victim (since in your world the victim decides who is charged) doesn't want him charged?

At least you finally admit Mills was the victim here.

Buggs punch was assault, plain and simple.

Caught on video as irrefutable proof to any rational person

 

[DemonTim]

At least you finally admit Mills was the victim here.

Buggs punch was assault, plain and simple.

Caught on video as irrefutable proof to any rational person

Again, ignoring the points actually made and misrepresenting. Done trying to explain logically to hysterical people.

Don't join a discussion if you can't answer basic questions about what you consider "fact" in future.

I'm sure you'll tell your fellow Sydney fan he's just an MFC apologist or some garbage too, apparently you not understanding the law (well not understanding it beyond an episode of SVU you once watched) makes everyone else evil victim blamers.

 

[DemonTim]

Oh god. I just read your history, you also suggested judges lay charges...

 

[CheapCharlie]

Again, ignoring the points actually made and misrepresenting. Done trying to explain logically to hysterical people.

Don't join a discussion if you can't answer basic questions about what you consider "fact" in future.

I'm sure you'll tell your fellow Sydney fan he's just an MFC apologist or some garbage too, apparently you not understanding the law (well not understanding it beyond an episode of SVU you once watched) makes everyone else evil victim blamers.

Reading your posts it is so very very clear you have no legal training...
Yet you have appointed yourself as the legal mouthpiece for this thread?

Lets stick to the agreed upon facts.

Bugg maliciously assaulted callum mills with a cowardly punch.

From that cowardly assault Mills was concussed.

The result of Bugg's assault was a 6 week suspension.

Bugg has fully admitted his assault was wrong and and that he has to change his ways.
Furthermore, Bugg contacted Mills to apologise for his assault upon him.

Mills accepted Buggs apology over the assault.

That police are not involved has not changed the fact that Bugg did in fact assault Mills and then later apologised publicly and was banned for 6 games for the assault.

 

[DemonTim]

Reading your posts it is so very very clear you have no legal training...
Yet you have appointed yourself as the legal mouthpiece for this thread?

Lets stick to the agreed upon facts.

Bugg maliciously assaulted callum mills with a cowardly punch.

From that cowardly assault Mills was concussed.

The result of Bugg's assault was a 6 week suspension.

Bugg has fully admitted his assault was wrong and and that he has to change his ways.
Furthermore, Bugg contacted Mills to apologise for his assault upon him.

Mills accepted Buggs apology over the assault.

That police are not involved has not changed the fact that Bugg did in fact assault Mills and then later apologised publicly and was banned for 6 games for the assault.

Again, none of this relates to the point. You're either a bad troll, or are very dense. You've yet to actually answer a point about your "opinion" and instead just condescend to anyone who disagrees. It's a fools errand to discuss anything with you (as your own supporter base has established)

Enjoy making claims about judges pressing charges, and dancing around the topic. You won't be dragging me down to this idiotic level anymore.

 

[CheapCharlie]

[QUOTE="DemonTim, post: 51179515, member: 144892"

Enjoy making claims about judges pressing charges, e.[/QUOTE]

Eh? Judges don't press charges. What are u on about?

 

[DemonTim]

[QUOTE="DemonTim, post: 51179515, member: 144892"

Enjoy making claims about judges pressing charges, e.

Eh? Judges don't press charges. What are u on about?[/QUOTE]
Yeah. There's a quote from you saying "lawyers and judges don't sit around looking for things to press charges". In this thread. Just a few pages ago...

 

[CheapCharlie]

Eh? Judges don't press charges. What are u on about?

Yeah. There's a quote from you saying "lawyers and judges don't sit around looking for things to press charges". In this thread. Just a few pages ago...[/QUOTE]

You obviously mis read what i wrote first time around... nice attempt at a save

Good news is Mills is okay to play this week

 

[DemonTim]

If Mills asked for charges to be laid then the police would consider it.

Judges and lawyers arent sitting at home and walking the streets looking to preas charges

To say a punch is not assault, because charges aren't pressed, borders on idiocy.

YeH nah. You're done son.

Deer with no eyes

 

[CheapCharlie]

YeH nah. You're done son.

Deer with no eyes

Exactly champ. That was in response to someone who thought judges press charges...
Which i was clearly making out they dont.
You read but don't comprehend.

You have come across a bit of a fool this thread , embarrassing yourself with your support of Bugg and attempting to lay blame on the victim

 

[DemonTim]

Exactly champ. That was in response to someone who thought judges press charges...
Which i was clearly making out they dont.
You read but don't comprehend.

You have come across a bit of a fool this thread , embarrassing yourself with your support of Bugg and attempting to lay blame on the victim

Yeah nah. The person said "police, judges, and lawyers have seen the incident". You responded with the above.

Even your own supporters have called out your idiocy.

Durrrrrr u saport bugg

Yeah calling him a ****in idiot, and that he deserves 6-8 is support.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Yeah nah. The person said "police, judges, and lawyers have seen the incident". You responded with the above.

Even your own supporters have called out your idiocy.

Durrrrrr u saport bugg

Yeah calling him a ****in idiot, and that he deserves 6-8 is support.

So now you are saying judges walk around looking to press charges?? ?

Do u understand the law at all?

 

[DemonTim]

So now you are saying judges walk around looking to press charges?? ?

Do u understand the law at all?

Terrible troll/10.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Terrible troll/10.

Ok buddy.

I'll leave you with last word.

Be good to see melbourne make the 8 this year

 

[DemonTim]

Ok buddy.

I'll leave you with last word.

Be good to see melbourne make the 8 this year

Glad you finally responded to something I actually said

 

[CheapCharlie]

Glad you finally responded to something I actually said

You're welcome

Glad you finally agreed with me
[emoji5]

 

[dave123]

I believe he should have been charged for assault like Ali fohur has

What he did was common assault ....why

 

[Aramis]

I believe he should have been charged for assault like Ali fohur has

What he did was common assault ....why

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...er-alleged-onfield-punch-20170707-gx6mos.html

Correct, why on earth has this bloke been charged and players in the AFL seem to have a bubble of protective cloth over them. Ridiculous... 1 set of rules for them another for us.

 

[theyellowsash]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...er-alleged-onfield-punch-20170707-gx6mos.html

Correct, why on earth has this bloke been charged and players in the AFL seem to have a bubble of protective cloth over them. Ridiculous... 1 set of rules for them another for us.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...Organic&WT.tsrc=Facebook_Organic&sf96122756=1

"Self-defence, duress are common defences; consent can also be a defence," Dr Windholz said.

So what do players consent to when they enter the sporting field?

"I'd say they consent to conduct in the rough and tumble of the game, conduct in the competition for the ball," Dr Windholz said.

"I think anyone would be hard pressed to say they consent to being punched 20 to 40 metres behind play, or to be punched when just standing around when the ball is not even in play."

 

[DemonTim]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...Organic&WT.tsrc=Facebook_Organic&sf96122756=1

"Self-defence, duress are common defences; consent can also be a defence," Dr Windholz said.

So what do players consent to when they enter the sporting field?

"I'd say they consent to conduct in the rough and tumble of the game, conduct in the competition for the ball," Dr Windholz said.

"I think anyone would be hard pressed to say they consent to being punched 20 to 40 metres behind play, or to be punched when just standing around when the ball is not even in play."

You selectively quoted this in another thread and telsor smashed you. Good to see you run to this thread and try it again

 

[CheapCharlie]

You selectively quoted this in another thread and telsor smashed you. Good to see you run to this thread and try it again

Yes. He left out this part from the article.

"Dr. Windholz said it was his view that Bugg's punch on Sydney's Callum Mills constituted a criminal offence."

There we go...

An expert in the field

 

[theyellowsash]

You selectively quoted this in another thread and telsor smashed you. Good to see you run to this thread and try it again

yeah i bet telsor would try to 'smash' me in real life too. a guy who thinks its reasonable as part of the afl sport to knock out a bloke with a punch to the face off the ball? From the sounds of it he would probably know how the bail system works pretty well.