Tom Rockliff

[Schulzenfest]

So he is out of contract, but Brisbane has preference on a new one. Is that it?

Yes. But if Brisbane choose not to match our offer (and all media indications are that they won’t), we get him without having to trade anything to Brisbane in return.

Same thing is happening with reverse with Jackson Trengove going to the Bulldogs. And hopefully with Steven Motlop coming to Port, although Motlop is yet to publicly announce his preference of club.

 

[findonite]

Stoked, absolutely stoked, by Rockliff's decision. At start of 2017 I thought he was the one player we should target. I cant believe its come to fruition.

 

[Janus]

Yeah but the problem we had against Essendon was having players positioned away from where the contest was going to happen.

That was due to gameplan and coaching more so than effort.

So this board keeps telling me.

 

[PA88]

When does Brisbane have to declare their move on a match offer or not? I'm thinking that there must be time allowed for negotiations to happen if in fact they do.

 

[GremioPower]

Yes. But if Brisbane choose not to match our offer (and all media indications are that they won’t), we get him without having to trade anything to Brisbane in return.

Same thing is happening with reverse with Jackson Trengove going to the Bulldogs. And hopefully with Steven Motlop coming to Port, although Motlop is yet to publicly announce his preference of club.

The order does not seem fair though. The last act should be the player's choice. The way it is, Brisbane could match our proposal just to get the compensation, knowing that Rockcliff prefers coming to Port...

 

[Enviable Tradition]

So he is out of contract, but Brisbane has preference on a new one. Is that it?

And even if they match terms he can still elect to take his chances in the draft

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[Enviable Tradition]

When does Brisbane have to declare their move on a match offer or not? I'm thinking that there must be time allowed for negotiations to happen if in fact they do.

Pretty sure it is within 3 days

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[GremioPower]

And even if they match terms he can still elect to take his chances in the draft

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If they match, AND we back off, you mean, right?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

If they match, AND we back off, you mean, right?

Yep, If they match we trade. But they seem at peace with letting him go. They will get decent compo from the AFL. They have to look after the dyin Lions.

 

[Papa G]

Does anyone know what the salary for Rockliff (or anyone for that matter) to be considered band 1 compo?

 

[PatientMental]

Does anyone know what the salary for Rockliff (or anyone for that matter) to be considered band 1 compo?

800k

 

[Papa G]

800k

Right. Okay so theory floated about is that we will pay Rockliff at least that much (maybe more) so Brisbane will not match, but get the band 1 compo, for their part Brisbane will take Lobbe off our hands, contract and all.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Jason Cripps on Rockliff

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2017-10-04/rockliff-would-give-flexibility-cripps

Cripps said the ability to play Rockliff - an inside midfielder - up forward, would ease the load on younger players like Ollie Wines and Sam Powell-Pepper.
"In the first eight or nine rounds, Powell-Pepper, Ebert and Wines were outstanding," Cripps said.
"Probably as the year went along Powell-Pepper who will be 19 next year ... probably tired a little bit, Ollie Wines is still 22 - they're young guys and we thought we need just a little bit more depth in there.
"[Rockliff] has shown over his career he's got the ability to go forward and impact ... and we also think Powell-Pepper can go forward and impact, so it certainly adds in that space, and also gives the coaches some flexibility in terms of where they can play different guys."

 

[*PAF]

So this board keeps telling me.

This board is just sick and tired of the old just work harder excuse.

 

[DaTBird187]

Right. Okay so theory floated about is that we will pay Rockliff at least that much (maybe more) so Brisbane will not match, but get the band 1 compo, for their part Brisbane will take Lobbe off our hands, contract and all.

This will enact peak Costanza.

 

[Peck]

They have three days from the day that we officially sign Rockliff to match the offer.



Yeah, they can do that. The Crows did that a few years ago when Dangerfield moved to the Cats.

The risk of course is that if they match the contract, Port are entitled to say ‘well, we’re not trading for him’ and then Brisbane are stuck with his contract on their books. So teams matching an offer doesn’t happen very often in the AFL. I think Dangerfield is the only free agent who’s ever had his contract matched, but I could be wrong on that.

If Brisbane were to match Rockliff’s offer and no trade got done would he be able to go into the draft? I mean you wouldn’t think they can force him to sign Brisbane’s contract.

I’m just not sure why this restriction even exists to be honest, it just seems silly to me. As does the way compensation works, like why should you picking up a free agent cancel out your compo for losing one? Why should there be any compensation at all?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Right. Okay so theory floated about is that we will pay Rockliff at least that much (maybe more) so Brisbane will not match, but get the band 1 compo, for their part Brisbane will take Lobbe off our hands, contract and all.

Somebody on the trade thread said this might be draft tampering but I was reading some stuff on the draft and trading board last night and the Fawley free agent move to the Hawks in 2014, and a couple of people in the thread argued you can't use that as the standard for calculating compo picks, as the AFL allowed it to happen and wanted Melbourne to get 2 top 3 picks as they were under pressure not to give them a priority pick but they needed help. As the AFL has given Brisbane an $8m guarantee to keep the doors open and they have helped engineer getting the club back on its feet with a new CEO and footy manager last year, I can see them ticking things off on this Rockliff/Lobbe package deal so that they get pick 1 and pick 2 as compo for Rockliff.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

Is that the one where he spent half the footage on the ground and the rest of it ordering teammates around with high-pitched screaming?

"That Port Adelaide backline is in good hands"

- Bob Housesides​

The season that ended up being Chaplin's last at PA, and before his well-publicised "constructive" email to his ex-teammates, I have it on very good authority that there was a conversation that went very much like the following during a post-match review:

Coach: "...see, in this situation, this is where we need to switch the ball. Look Chappy, you're in good position and you're not even calling for it. What were your thoughts in this situation?"

Chaplin: "Yeah, I didn't want the footy."

*silence*

Boak: "What did you say, Chappy?"

Chaplin: "I didn't want the footy there. I didn't want to make a mistake."

Boak: "Are you fu**ing kidding, Chappy! You didn't want the footy!!"

So, yeah.

 

[Jack Grange]

The one knock on Rockliff that Brisbane posters have said is that he's not exactly quick or much of a two way runner - not because of intent, but because he simply doesn't have the tank to do so.

Which is why I think he'll be rotating through the midfield/forward with Wines and Powell-Pepper and sharing that role with them. You wouldn't play all of them in the middle at the same time, but if you can rest them up forward instead of sending them to the bench you can utilize the rotation cap on high intensity outside runners like Boak, Sam Gray, Motlop et al.

I reckon it'll be 70% mid/30% forward for Rockliff, 80% mid/20% forward for Wines and 50% mid/50% forward for Powell-Pepper.

When Rockliff goes for his 30% time up forward, it will be when Robbie drops into the midfield for his 30% of time on the ball. Gray against a second or third string rotation midfield group would wreak havoc.

Makes sense as all three Wines, Rockliff and SPP have good size 187-190 and are bulls who can mark...real bonus

 

[scotty13]

The season that ended up being Chaplin's last at PA, and before his well-publicised "constructive" email to his ex-teammates, I have it on very good authority that there was a conversation that went very much like the following during a post-match review:

Coach: "...see, in this situation, this is where we need to switch the ball. Look Chappy, you're in good position and you're not even calling for it. What were your thoughts in this situation?"

Chaplin: "Yeah, I didn't want the footy."

*silence*

Boak: "What did you say, Chappy?"

Chaplin: "I didn't want the footy there. I didn't want to make a mistake."

Boak: "Are you fu**ing kidding, Chappy! You didn't want the footy!!"

So, yeah.

Just think, if Chappy was a half decent footballer and person, he may have a premiership medal around his neck... but he is a shit bloke and a worse footballer and missed out... sucked in I say!

 

[Lefti93]

"Bobby help! HALP!!!, AAARRRHH!!!"

*Goal opposition and Chaplin points in no particular direction*

"bobby i need ya cmon"

 

[vozzon]

Stoked, absolutely stoked, by Rockliff's decision. At start of 2017 I thought he was the one player we should target. I cant believe its come to fruition.

Feel exactly the same lol, saw last year he was available but thought there would have been more interest from other clubs so wasnt overly confident but wanted us to at least offer him something.

 

[Janus]

This board is just sick and tired of the old just work harder excuse.

And I'm sick and ti

They have three days from the day that we officially sign Rockliff to match the offer.



Yeah, they can do that. The Crows did that a few years ago when Dangerfield moved to the Cats.

The risk of course is that if they match the contract, Port are entitled to say ‘well, we’re not trading for him’ and then Brisbane are stuck with his contract on their books. So teams matching an offer doesn’t happen very often in the AFL. I think Dangerfield is the only free agent who’s ever had his contract matched, but I could be wrong on that.

Dangerfield never exercised his FA option. It was just a straight trade because Adelaide was always going to match regardless.

 

[Smartys Power]

Assuming Young is traded, can anyone else see Rocky slide into that #11?

 

[Fatcat08]

Right. Okay so theory floated about is that we will pay Rockliff at least that much (maybe more) so Brisbane will not match, but get the band 1 compo, for their part Brisbane will take Lobbe off our hands, contract and all.

I'd do that without a moments hesitation. We're still lacking a more mature backup ruck, we'd have the cap space over the next two years to accommodate his contract and if it means we get pick 2 its a huge win. The sort of cap sheds are pretty common in american sports and they're going to be more common here as well, especially given the whole artificial salary floor the afl have created that forces teams to be within 5% of each other from one end of the ladder to the other.