Mega Thread Tony Abbott

[noddy]

Well here you go see for yourself demonic Abbott source of all evil viciously assaulting mothers.

http://media.smh.com.au/news/national-times/abbott-heckled-during-apology-4128264.html

Note the tense reaction of the 1000 plus audience in shot as the hecklers gather steam and their reaction at end of clip.

His speech went on for some time after that moment. http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-ne...nal-apology-forced-adoptions-parliament-house

I have to agree with you on this as i don't believe Abbott intended any malice or any message that he thought could upset anyone of those people but he could have chosen words other than “birth mothers” to use, those of us who have never been directly involved in forced adoptions of the past wouldn't really have much of an idea what those young mothers & in some cases young fathers went through.

What was bloody worse was the ALPs shit fight that took the limelight away from the occasion.

 

[GuruJane]

All I'm saying is it wouldn't have taken a lot of research to get the syntax correct, it showed a lack of sensitivity. I don't think it's an unfair criticism.

Look all that's true. I agree. But Abbott writes his own speeches and this was a subject very close to his heart because of his own personal experience of having helped force his partner to give up a child he believed was his, not supported her at the time with marriage etc etc - and only two years ago she has died, but at least having been reunited with the child she gave up but which then transpired that Abbott was not the father after all these years of agonising..

On this subject I don't see that any of his staff would have corrected him or had any reason to do so.

One of the things that has made Abbott so open to derision comes from his personal introspection- gives him a vulnerability that makes him easy target, makes people in this cynical modern age think he is odd. But it also gives him authenticity, Gough, a very rare commodity these days. We haven't had a political leader so open to admitting personal fallibility since Hawke who famously gave up alcohol and Blanche when he became PM. Just saying.

 

[Todman]

That would be hilarious if only it didn't mean a return to the dark ages, for a few years.
Witch burnings, forced religious observance, prayer in Government schools, religion as science etc.

Do you really think that?

 

[Relativity]

That would be hilarious if only it didn't men a return to the dark ages, for a few years.
Witch burnings, forced religious observance, prayer in Government schools, religion as science etc.

http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.html

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

but they are two different things.

sure the taking of children was horrendous, but does that mean we have to put up with them being offended by simply terms?

We are creating an environment where you can offended by anything under the pretence of a separate event.

The "birth mother" thing is total crap. Back in early 90s when public pressure grew to relax the laws to allow adopted children to trace their birth parents, that's when the term arose. It was in fact the adopted children themselves and their birth mothers who invented the term and they have used it ever since. I know tyhis because several friends and acquaintances were not only adopted children who traced their birth mothers and fathers but also several of them were birth mothers themselves. It was incredibly moving.

I have no idea why some of the women at that apology objected in the way they did. Can only put it down to them being Abbott haters who didn't like the way Abbott talked about his partner of the time. Who I learn, has since died prematurely in 2011, 6 years after her son located her ( this was the one she and Abbott had always believed was his). And also his reference to "birth fathers." Nasty unwarranted reaction, imo. But complaining about the use of "birth" is confected outrage.

This is hilarious. Hey, I'm not offended by the 'n word' either, can't be too much wrong with it.

These are not normal voluntary adoptions.

They must be Abbott haters, lol.

 

[Pessimistic]

The message i get out of abbots long lost son episode is he obviously doesn't check facts before going public, but it served to make a political point for him at the time, (by that i mean when he went public ) that there are alternatives to abortion for inconvenient pregnancies

 

[Pessimistic]

Gillard got things wrong when she allowed the vote to go ahead on the same day as the apology. If she had any compass, she would have postponed it. This was more out of line than what Abbott did by calling them birth mothers, which is a factually correct statement.

You know abbott pushed to vote out the government with a confidence motion ?

 

[Pie eyed]

Do you really think that?

Yes. Abbott is the lickspittle of the religious right.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

You know abbott pushed to vote out the government with a confidence motion ?

I thought it was a vote of confidence in the PM not the Government?

Regards

S. Pete

 

[GuruJane]

Here is Abbott's apology on forced adoptions in full. Judge for yourselves.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/video/22777411805/Forced-adoption-apology-Abbott-speech

Interestingly it was being very warmly received, many outbreaks of applause for a long time, people in audience visibly moved and it appears to have been this warm reaction that set the Abbott-haters off on a political protest, using the "birth parent" as the pretext.

Interestingly Abbott NEVER uses the word "relinquish" so the protestors who claimed he did are all lying. Probably post facto attempt at justification for their appalling behaviour which destroyed the solemnity of the tributes.

 

[Gough]

Thought this was quite good.

 

[romeoh]

Here is Abbott's apology on forced adoptions in full. Judge for yourselves.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/video/22777411805/Forced-adoption-apology-Abbott-speech

Interestingly it was being very warmly received, many outbreaks of applause for a long time, people in audience visibly moved and it appears to have been this warm reaction that set the Abbott-haters off on a political protest, using the "birth parent" as the pretext.

Interestingly Abbott NEVER uses the word "relinquish" so the protestors who claimed he did are all lying. Probably post facto attempt at justification for their appalling behaviour which destroyed the solemnity of the tributes.

Give it a spell-he made a mistake and offended some people who felt emotionally connected to the issue. That is all there was to it-not a huge mistake-doesn't make him a sinner or a saint despite yr overeaching admiration.

 

[Janus]

I'd rather a PM who had an opinion of they formed on their own - no matter how kooky it might be - rather than have one that relied on the polls for one. Because in general terms, people who vote only look at the microcosm of society as it relates to them instead of having the broader picture that a Federal government should entertain.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I'd rather a PM who had an opinion of they formed on their own - no matter how kooky it might be - rather than have one that relied on the polls for one. Because in general terms, people who vote only look at the microcosm of society as it relates to them instead of having the broader picture that a Federal government should entertain.

I hope you aren't referring to Abbott as the PM you'd rather have, then. Seems to be doing his best to hide his true opinions in his haste to be elected.

 

[Janus]

I hope you aren't referring to Abbott as the PM you'd rather have, then. Seems to be doing his best to hide his true opinions in his haste to be elected.

Yeah, but he's so transparent with those true opinions, which is why his approval rating sucks the big one despite countless failings from Labor. In my opinion, his subterfuge is more so that the media can't pounce on him and twist the knife than any willful deceit against the Australian public.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Abbott's "true opinions" are irrelevant. He's an empty suit like Gillard and Rudd.

 

[AM]

As long as Tony’s there all is not lost for Labor just yet. Close, but not yet. He can’t keep dodging media scrutiny as he’s managed to do so far. That’s when his dissembling and inadequacies will come to the fore.

I noticed he dodged another 7.30 Report interview tonight. Wish they would put up a rolling tally of the times he’s been asked and run scared.

 

[sherb]

Thought this was quite good.

Identical twins.

 

[DarwinRoo]

I'd rather a PM who had an opinion of they formed on their own - no matter how kooky it might be - rather than have one that relied on the polls for one. Because in general terms, people who vote only look at the microcosm of society as it relates to them instead of having the broader picture that a Federal government should entertain.

His own? Give me a fricking break. It's Abbott FFS.

 

[power09]

His own? Give me a fricking break. It's Abbott FFS.

YEAH OMG

 

[Pessimistic]

Another flak jacket. Moment

 

[GuruJane]

Give it a spell-he made a mistake and offended some people who felt emotionally connected to the issue. That is all there was to it-not a huge mistake-doesn't make him a sinner or a saint despite yr overeaching admiration.

Quite the reverse in fact. Am but a keen student of Abbott Derangement phenomena of which big footy provides so many observable symptoms

 

[Caj]

That would be hilarious if only it didn't men a return to the dark ages, for a few years.
Witch burnings, forced religious observance, prayer in Government schools, religion as science etc.

Picture demonstrate Labor's plight perfectly, they underestimated Abbott from day 1 and even now they delude themselves into thinking that he can't/doesn't deserve to win

 

[Caj]

Thought this was quite good.

Double standards from Labor supporters? No never.

Imagine Lunchlady Doris frothing at the mouth if this comparison had Julia instead of Tony

 

[GuruJane]

Picture demonstrate Labor's plight perfectly, they underestimated Abbott from day 1 and even now they delude themselves into thinking that he can't/doesn't deserve to win

One of the main characteristics of the Syndrome is that sufferers, presented with irrefutable contrary evidence, immediately suffer a major exacerbation of the Derangement.