Too Many Kids!

[Quid]

TOO MANY KIDS!


We absolutely CANNOT have more than 3 players of the inexperience of Grigg, Russel, Brown, Edwards. Anderson and even Kruezer to a certain degree although he is far better than any of the aforementioned (and have wiggins on the ground as well) playing at the one time and expect to beat any decent side.

Why Setanta was ommitted when we were desperate for A tall strong spoiling defender beats me!

With Setanta and Walker things would have been very different.

 

[The Coach]

TOO MANY KIDS!


We absolutely CANNOT have more than 3 players of the inexperience of Grigg, Russel, Brown, Edwards. Anderson and even Kruezer to a certain degree although he is far better than any of the aforementioned (and have wiggins on the ground as well) playing at the one time and expect to beat any decent side.

Why Setanta was ommitted when we were desperate for A tall strong spoiling defender beats me!

With Setanta and Walker things would have been very different.

Grigg was in our best, Russell has played 40 games - same as Carlos. You think The Bumbers are on the wrong track then?

A first game back man would have made all the diff? Would Carlos have been able to beat Riew? (Don't get me wrong - I would have been happy for both to play)

 

[blues4flag]

Grigg is performing very well, I think and doing enough to hold his spot in the 22.

Edwards is fighting for that third tall spot in the forward line - we've got to give Edwards and Hartlett a go (once [if] he's right to go) and see if they can help our dilemma up there.

Our ruck stocks are limited, and while Kreuzer at the moment isn't the ideal backup ruckman, he is getting valuable experience and one of he and Hampson must play each week.

I agree playing Russell, Browne and Anderson is too much to carry. Walker will replace one of the three, you'd think and over the next month or so, depending if the match committee wants to risk them, Houlihan, Bannister and Bower could slot back into the side. At the moment, Pfeiffer and Jackson are the only two players capable of replacing any of the above three.

 

[Doza]

mmm certainly right about Steanta...playing Edwards at CHB was a joke

But bagging Grigg...please

 

[ctacp]

westcoast played a bunch of kids in the midfield a while ago, & they copped it.
but those kid got experience & then we all noticed them - judd, cousins & kerr..

we've been shit for years, & its only been addressed recently when we've managed a few good draft picks.

panteen folks, it wont happen overnite, but it will happen....

ctacp
curlier than a catoggio pube

 

[Pred_ator]

TOO MANY KIDS!


We absolutely CANNOT have more than 3 players of the inexperience of Grigg, Russel, Brown, Edwards. Anderson and even Kruezer to a certain degree although he is far better than any of the aforementioned (and have wiggins on the ground as well) playing at the one time and expect to beat any decent side.

Why Setanta was ommitted when we were desperate for A tall strong spoiling defender beats me!

With Setanta and Walker things would have been very different.

Better start supporting Fremantle than brother they have plenty of oldies.

 

[gbatman]

Screw that, lets play all the kids, time toplay Austin. Hopefully narrowly lose the rest of the games and drop a few spots so we can draft the player/players we so desperatly need. Fill the holes and go for a flag!

Screw being equal best with Essendon, lets be soul best and get that 17th flag!

Getting Vickery is what i'd love, jut imagine if we got a Blease with our second pick... one can dream.

 

[SMOO]

I totally agrree with you. I mean playing all this kids is ludricous. Maybe we should get back to David Clarke, David Teague and Digby to see if they would be interested in pulling on the guernsey again. Bloody kids wont win us many games

 

[HBF]

What's the alternative? Play guys like Ackland and Saddington. I'd much rarther play guys who are part of our future, and not guys who are there just making up the numbers.

 

[Monkey King]

If we want to push for a premiership we should first build a premiership team. Concievably these guys you speak of will be 22-23yo 100 game players by the time we're serious contenders, but only if we put games into them now.

Our players need as much time playing together as possible so to allow them to gain an intimate knowledge of each others games. Apart from talent, this is something common amongst premierships sides.

 

[GottaLoveCarlton]

i just want Armfield back!

 

[Jezza U Beauty]

Poor thread IMHO.

We're still in the development phase, and we still have guys like Hadley and Walks and Banno out of the side.

Losing last night's game had very little to do with playing kids and a whole lot to do with kicking points when we should've kicked goals.

When all the kids come good in a year or two we will have a pretty strong side.

 

[Crippa#9]

very very poor thread. How else are kids going to develop. If lose against Sydney, then its time to play even more e.g Austin.

 

[Big Red is back]

very very poor thread. How else are kids going to develop. If lose against Sydney, then its time to play even more e.g Austin.

Agree if lose to sydney and other results go against us then it is time to put the que in the rack for 08 and play the kids and try a few positional changes.

 

[Pratt = Premiers]

TOO MANY KIDS!


We absolutely CANNOT have more than 3 players of the inexperience of Grigg, Russel, Brown, Edwards. Anderson and even Kruezer to a certain degree although he is far better than any of the aforementioned (and have wiggins on the ground as well) playing at the one time and expect to beat any decent side.

Why Setanta was ommitted when we were desperate for A tall strong spoiling defender beats me!

With Setanta and Walker things would have been very different.

Do you think the coaching panel may be a little more interested in 2009, rather than 2008?? I'm not saying we are tanking, but fact is we are not going to win a premiership this year, so why not continue to try a few kids. See who is up to AFL standard and who isn't. Creating a great side takes time, just sit back and enjoy seeing what each player has to offer.

 

[Pratt = Premiers]

very very poor thread. How else are kids going to develop. If lose against Sydney, then its time to play even more e.g Austin.

Would love to see Austin out there. I notice he has been mentioned in the best quite a bit lately, are we not playing him because he is still to skinny or is there something else he isn't doing right yet??? If he can bulk up a bit he could be the answer to all our problems.

 

[rolandinho]

Terrible thread. I have the opposite oppinion of you. Grigg has come on quicker then many expected. And although he had a rough first quarter, fought back and showed great character against someone who has constantly been considered a premier midfielder (i know Nicky Dal is soft ) grigg, browne and russel will be good footballers as they pass the 50 game mark.

I am happy that we are trying kids and seeing if they have a future. eg. although it is appearing highly likely that edwards wont make it, at least we know this now and can spend more time with our other youngsters like Austin.

IMO get the kids in and lets build a dynasty and not just a team that comes 6-8 every year and dont achieve any real success. Example St. Kilda

 

[Bomba Sheldon]

Play as many as we can from now on until the end of season to allow for some development for the future. This time last year some people were questioning the worth of playing Jamo and Bower, when they both missed with injury we felt their loss.

Let start preparing for 2009 season now.

 

[Shangalang]

TOO MANY KIDS!


We absolutely CANNOT have more than 3 players of the inexperience of Grigg, Russel, Brown, Edwards. Anderson and even Kruezer to a certain degree although he is far better than any of the aforementioned (and have wiggins on the ground as well) playing at the one time and expect to beat any decent side.

Why Setanta was ommitted when we were desperate for A tall strong spoiling defender beats me!

With Setanta and Walker things would have been very different.

Stop talking sh** mate !! Another kneejerk reaction over one loss.. You weren't complaining when they beat Richmond with basically the same side.

Setanta is a spud mate - very overated by a lot of carlton supporters sure he has a crack, doesn't mean he is any good..

Of the players named that in your opinion can't play inthe same sie who are you going to replace them with.. Walker is an obviosu in this week, but who else in the Bullants with more experience warrants a game B$ the incumbents ???

 

[Quid]

I am certainly not bagging Grigg or Brown... I am not bagging any individual at all.

What i am saying is that if we want to have a chance of beating decent teams it won't happen with the likes of Russel, Anderson, Jackson and Wiggins. and while Grigg and Brown are inexperienced i have much more faith in them than any of the above and both are certainly long term prospects.

i never though t we would play finals and i still don't think we will (though we are a chance)

However. We have to drip them in slowly ...

Throw them all in at once and you lose the team dynamic and the confident culture. The skill level drops considerably and the kids that are playing are scrutinized in a poor light because we will get smashed! Back to the last 5 yrs...

I am saying that you need a balance and the scales were tipped too far in favour of the inexperienced last wk!

 

[Jezza U Beauty]

I am certainly not bagging Grigg or Brown... I am not bagging any individual at all.

What i am saying is that if we want to have a chance of beating decent teams it won't happen with the likes of Russel, Anderson, Jackson and Wiggins. and while Grigg and Brown are inexperienced i have much more faith in them than any of the above and both are certainly long term prospects.

i never though t we would play finals and i still don't think we will (though we are a chance)

However. We have to drip them in slowly ...

Throw them all in at once and you lose the team dynamic and the confident culture. The skill level drops considerably and the kids that are playing are scrutinized in a poor light because we will get smashed! Back to the last 5 yrs...

I am saying that you need a balance and the scales were tipped too far in favour of the inexperienced last wk!

We don't have any chance of beating decent teams yet mate.

We have more to gain by playing and developing younger blokes with potential than trying to miraculously match it with good sides by playing less younger blokes. It's more about 2009 and 2010 than 2008.

 

[BlueYoss]

Browne impresses me with his composure with the ball and I'm happy to leave him in the side to continue to develop as long as no one is knocking down the door to take his place (eg. Armfield).

Anderson IMO looked pretty good as a tagger in his games before injury last year, but doesn't seem to be given this role in his games this year. But I'm all for giving him some consistent games to find his feet, similarly Edwards.

I'm more worried about Russell and Grigg and only for the reason that when they have the ball the appear to wish they didn't and it seems to have a flow on effect in that they don't appear to be hungry enough for the ball when they don't have it. No doubt it is a confidence issue that is 100% between the ears.

Now I'm not calling for them to be traded or delisted, but Russell has been played the last 14 weeks and Grigg the last 12, presumably to get comfortable with the speed and intensity at AFL level and develop confidence playing it. If they are still so short on confidence in their disposal maybe its time to give them a run with the Ants to see if it helps them develop some confidence (I imagine 2-3 weeks tearing it up on a HFF for the Ants averaging 2-3 goals a game would do Russell's yips a world of good) while other youngsters could be given consuctive weeks at AFL level to start seeing where their strengths and weaknesses lie.

 

[Pafloyul]

I hope some of you realise that all footballers were kids once. You have to get your players from somewhere...champions and so called 'foot soldiers' alike. You can't just put any experienced player in and expect them to perform.

Wherever your little hearts can take the intermittent strain of losses to a bunch of underachievers like Saint Kilda is irrelevant. It is about building to greater success and insuring you have the right mix of talent young or old and making sure you develop them to their potential.

The kids and every other player must be deemed good enough or moved on. Selecting Walker and Setanta may or may not have helped but it is more about their respective abilities rather than whether they are 20 or 26.

We can't go back to the early Pagan years when it was more about saving-face ahead of real success. It is funny how it is easier to put the blame on little theories than to suggest that we may not be quite good enough yet.

 

[EmmzLovesMurpho]

How are those 'kids' supposed to turn into great AFL footballers without getting games? yea true we play kids, but to get into players like Judd and Ablett we need to give them game time....

 

[setanta17]

Stop talking sh** mate !! Another kneejerk reaction over one loss.. You weren't complaining when they beat Richmond with basically the same side.

Setanta is a spud mate - very overated by a lot of carlton supporters sure he has a crack, doesn't mean he is any good..

Of the players named that in your opinion can't play inthe same sie who are you going to replace them with.. Walker is an obviosu in this week, but who else in the Bullants with more experience warrants a game B$ the incumbents ???

setanta is not a spud. yes he doesnt do well in dream team and he always gets the spud icon/four leaf irish clover on fanfooty but it doesnt mean he isnt a good defender. hes done some very good defensive jobs so far this year.

also this thread is pretty poor but i do agree that setanta and walker not playing was a disgrace.