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News Toovey to remain a Magpie
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If you whore yourself out to another company at the expense of one who took a punt on you (when he was never going to get drafted), developed you & then you asked for an unrealistic pay increase on the back of a up/down year on the back of injury and form, it's a completely different situation.
Cloke & Thomas made numerous committals to Collingwood in their contract discussions. They stated that although they were entitled to a fair deal, they understood that team success came first.
As soon as Collingwood couldn't/wouldn't budge with a pay increase to Toovey, he instructed/allowed his manager to state that he had walked out of Collingwood.
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Would've been happier if it was MaCaffer that had re signed.
Guess we'll lose him now
Guess we'll lose him now
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Yeah, just ask Tyson Goldsack if he agrees
Like the players give a shit. A player wanted more money, wow, how will his team mates ever forgive him? Cash per game paid in the last 3 years he'd easily be our most lowly paid.
He'll get ribbed about it on the first day back at training and then I'd be surprised if anyone ever gave it a thought thereafter.
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He wasn't a favourite of mine prior to a wk ago, after what's happened he is certainly now my least favourite pie. If he was willing to leave a wk ago what has changed? The hard reality that no other club wanted him.
Those who say its not him it's his manager, when you agree to have someone manage you, you also are agreeing for them to speak on your behalf.
Those who say its not him it's his manager, when you agree to have someone manage you, you also are agreeing for them to speak on your behalf.
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The difference being Travis and Daisy will you games off their own boot. Tooveys while a handy player who does good things doesn't win us games on his own. Part of a team Toovey is great but individual brilliance he does not do.
Wrapped to keep him though. How the caf can find a way to stay too.
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Agree, unless constant rumours about Caff's off-field activities are true or his injury issues are chronic.
Definitely better than losing both though.
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I reckon you're right Dave. I'm happy that Tooves will be with us again next year. Hopefully the club can do a deal with Caff too, though it's probably unlikely now.
He's not the first and won't be the last to find his value on the open market is not what as expected. Clearly, he received poor guidance. A good manager would have sounded out prospective offers prior to the trade period. I wouldn't be surprised if the original contract offer was signed. I am glad the Pies played hard ball on this one.
He could have gone into the PSD but you have to put a price on your head. Clubs have to be willing to pay and that could be ANY club or you stay at the Pies.
After trade week, the reality is his market value was what the Pies were willing to pay.
It's not hard reality that no other club wanted him or that Toovey wanted to leave the club, it's speculation. Even Marinis said that Toovey wanted to stay at the Pies but Toovey would need more than what was offered for him to stay. The thing that was poor on Toovey's behalf is that he allowed Marinis to email other clubs and go public about it.
Tested the waters and they weren't as deep as his management and Tooves thought.
Happy to keep him at our price. Of our best 22 he was one of the more expendable. We are going to need space for 2013.
Really, reportedly he wanted $350,000 per year. Jolly & Didak are on $400,000 per year. I know Didak had a poor season but otherwise a match winner. Jolly one of our most important players.
This probably happens far more regularly then we are all aware of but just not as public as Tooves situation.
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No it doesn't.
As I am, Toovey is no doubt a great defensive player, but even Presti could hit a target more often. I'll be upset if Caf, who earnt his way onto the team through playing well and topping our VFL goalkicking, and is a good midsized forward and overhead mark who always seems to find the goals leaves because he has been squeezed out by salary cap dollars and Toovey. IMHO he is a type of player that is harder to find.
imo, caff is getting a bit of the sean rusling syndrome in that the less he plays the better he becomes. i'm not a massive wrap for him i admit, but i'm still a little surprised at the big response to him potentially getting traded.
i also think the concept that toovey cos us caff is a bit simplistic. it may end up being the case, but there's so we don't know about regarding trades and contracts, I think it's a bit unfair to let fly on tooves on such little evidence.
i'm happy with this news because a few days ago it looked like we may lose toovey for nothing.
i also think the concept that toovey cos us caff is a bit simplistic. it may end up being the case, but there's so we don't know about regarding trades and contracts, I think it's a bit unfair to let fly on tooves on such little evidence.
i'm happy with this news because a few days ago it looked like we may lose toovey for nothing.
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Well supposedly there were 8 clubs interested weren't there? Maybe the Pies decided to keep him and Toovey sharpened up a bit.
Agree with this. This whole thing was badly handled and whether or not Toovey holding the club for ransom was just bad management or possibly Toovey's actual motive is up in the air atm
Well Goldsack is a good friend of his. His opinion doesn't count for the whole playing group.Yeah, just ask Tyson Goldsack if he agrees
Like the players give a shit. A player wanted more money, wow, how will his team mates ever forgive him? Cash per game paid in the last 3 years he'd easily be our most lowly paid.
He'll get ribbed about it on the first day back at training and then I'd be surprised if anyone ever gave it a thought thereafter.
IMO if Macaffer gets the boot because of Toovey, I do sense a bit of backlash.
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It is a humbling experience to discover that other clubs do not value our players, in this case Toovey. However, it is also interesting to to note how supporters expect players to show 100% loyalty to the club in an age where players are fast becoming commodities to be bought and sold. If Toovey reads BigFooty, he will be under no illusion as to how he is regarded by Collingwood supporters, most of who seemed more than happy for him to go elsewhere. All of you who wanted him gone must be very disappointed at this result.
I was one of them wanting him gone but only if he maintained his inflated contract demands which were holding us to ransom.
The club called his bluff and stood firm and clearly Tooves didn't get the interest or "market rates" that he thought he was worth out in the open market hence his decision to re-sign with the club. Otherwise, if he was so sure he was worth the reported 350k, he would have put himself in the draft or PSD and left.
It is wonderful management and negotiation by Geoff Walsh if anything who did not buckle or compromise our plan regarding the salary cap.
I'm happy he finally did a u-turn and stayed at the club because I reckon deep down Tooves finally came about and saw that he was heading down a path that was detrimental to his career.
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I have heard about his off field issues as well, apart from that he is best 22 for us. But the offield issues are pretty serious that I have heard and that could possibly be the reason why the club kept him to be the last player the wanted to give a contract to if there was room in the cap. God I hope he stays.
I think this view is put out there by many, especially those on bigfooty. People say how 'harsh' we are on players, how loyalty is one-way. I don't agree with this at all.
Firstly, (I'm talking about really passionate supporters here, which would most likely include the majority who are on BF) those who follow Collingwood love the club. Yes, the players and the staff are part of the club, but the club in its entirety (the jumper, to me) comes before those. Players will come and go, start and finish and every era ends. But there are no doubt many supporters (including those on BF) who are 50, 60+ and who have been through various eras in the club.
We love the black and white.
Secondly, I think supporters do understand that a player wanting to return to family, wanting their market value in salary (when warranted) etc, are all reasonable concerns. Not every player who leaves is condemned. But conversely you've got players who have knocked back offers and/or shown loyalty through other means and they're revered for it.
And when you've got people who love Collingwood and you see someone willing to leave for more money, naturally they're going to take a less rose coloured approach to valuing the player.
Lastly, when faced with losing something, it's natural to try to justify it. You lose your wallet, at least it didn't have much money in it. You prang the car, at least you've got your health.
Eh, /rant.
I'm not the biggest Tooovey fan here, love his pace and discipline, don't love his disposal.
Head is saying glad he's staying, as he does do a good to very good job overall, and is now pretty experienced and next two or three years are definite chances for us.
But can't deny this saga has affected something within, so heart wasn't jumping for joy TBH.
Head is saying glad he's staying, as he does do a good to very good job overall, and is now pretty experienced and next two or three years are definite chances for us.
But can't deny this saga has affected something within, so heart wasn't jumping for joy TBH.
There are 3 different supporter types here though, in this whole Toovey saga.
1) Don't like or rate Toovey and wanted him gone
2) Like Toovey but only want him at our rates. If not at our rates, see ya later
3) Ones that wanted to keep him, but didn't indicate if they were happy to pay his price or not.
Most fit into categories 2 & 3 and logically so as he is best 22. If Toovey read Bigfooty he'd know that he is wanted by the majority but not at the rates he was reported as requesting.
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Why would Macaffer get the boot because of Toovey? There's nothing to say we've paid Toovey anymore than what we first offered and there's also nothing to say that Macaffer would've be retained even if Toovey's salary was lower than what it is.
Fact is Macaffer's contract been left until almost last on our list to sort out. If the club wanted to retain him, they would have, regardless of Toovey's contract. Buckley obviously doesn't think he is that important though, on what I saw of Macaffer this year, I'd have to agree.
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