Strategy Trade and List Management thread 3 (...The pining for the departed. Edition)

[The Original Swooper]

There are 2 costs to getting a player as we all know. The cost of the trade then the salary of the player. The trade cost is what I see as this being a moot possibility. Hawks need pace. Badly. Why would they not just move Thirrell upfield ? Hawks wouldn't let him go cheap in any case. They would want one of our young guns.
Salary ? Don't know nor care. As I have posted many times over the years, I'm not a fan of enigmatic small forwards. So paying big bucks for one, even mid tier money (500k), when we have a few up coming "must re-sign" types, again says no to me. Plus. I'd prefer a hard nut small like Smith, a mercurial yet versatile Maclean, and the promising Lippy over the long term than a short term highlight reel As I said to Hard Ball Get in another thread, I always get a chuckle from some suggested trades in here. Similar to Ablett BS rumour, high risk, (cost and team unity) vs limited reward. Ablett just wants to go back to the Cattery b4 he retires, Cyril less the young gun lost would be minimal ( if any ) net gain. So I guess my long winded answer to your Q is, too much, regardless of cost. Now I'll just wait for a Jj for Cyril suggestion to pop up.

 

[ScragCity]

If we could fit him into our cap without losing any key players, and if we could get him for a first + steak knives that'd be awesome. Anyone know what his current salary would be?

 

[hatescaptcha]

No to Cyril. If there's a Rioli I want it's Daniel. But neither will happen regardless.



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[Bemoreboyddog]

And take all the limelight too. We are a unified team. Don't risk that.
And for what he would cost trade wise and salary wise, I don't see the need. Risk vs reward too high. Lose JJ to get him ? Trade Stringer for him?

Reality check time.

Don't see an issue with limelight and unity. Bont and Stringer get plenty of limelight and I don't think the team has issues with either.

Trade wise I see him costing us a first rounder. Would I pay that, yes, when I consider our first likely to be between 13-20 roughly.

Salary I have no idea. So you may be right, I don't know what it would cost to get him out of Waverley.

 

[The Original Swooper]

I've been trying to recall when we had an electric small forward in a Dogs jumper that excited the crowd every time he touched the ball. I came up with Les "Lally" Bamblett That was a long time ago. Akers too a degree also, but he was also a mid.

 

[boydsno1]

Dahl when he first started?

Robbins? I loved him.

 

[Beasht]

Chances or interest in luring Ben Long back to the Kennel in the future? Would much rather spend dollars and time into someone that can grow with the group than try and pry a Rioli type.

 

[geoffjennings79]

C Rioli? No. Swooper identified why perfectly. Ablett? Ba-ha-ha-ha... that's another no.

Btw, anyone seen the D Cross posters around? Saw one last night in nw suburbs of Melb, driving too fast to read what it said, but looked like he was in Dees colours.

 

[VitalDread]

Chances or interest in luring Ben Long back to the Kennel in the future? Would much rather spend dollars and time into someone that can grow with the group than try and pry a Rioli type.

too early to call but Longy was loved by the coaching staff and playing group, same goes to Mitch Hannan

 

[compact72]

too early to call but Longy was loved by the coaching staff and playing group, same goes to Mitch Hannan

#banvd

 

[The Original Swooper]

Don't see an issue with limelight and unity. Bont and Stringer get plenty of limelight and I don't think the team has issues with either.

Trade wise I see him costing us a first rounder. Would I pay that, yes, when I consider our first likely to be between 13-20 roughly.

Salary I have no idea. So you may be right, I don't know what it would cost to get him out of Waverley.

Regarding limelight. The 2 you mention are home grown (and with Bont it's deserved and he handles it with aplomb) Not sure an "imported" stars attention is in the same realm.

The 3rd cost of any trade (after trade cost and salary) is opportunity cost. What do we forego in the draft (in Dal we trust) surrendering our first ?

I really do understand why some folks would love Cyril in a Dogs team, I'm just not sure the risk vs reward equation leans towards doing it, nor do I think he fits where we are at List wise. But..... each to their own

 

[Mofra]

I've been trying to recall when we had an electric small forward in a Dogs jumper that excited the crowd every time he touched the ball. I came up with Les "Lally" Bamblett That was a long time ago. Akers too a degree also, but he was also a mid.

Moot point when Bevo doesn't play specialist small forwards

 

[The Original Swooper]

C Rioli? No. Swooper identified why perfectly. Ablett? Ba-ha-ha-ha... that's another no.

Btw, anyone seen the D Cross posters around? Saw one last night in nw suburbs of Melb, driving too fast to read what it said, but looked like he was in Dees colours.

Are you Joel Selwood ?

 

[The Original Swooper]

Dahl when he first started?

Robbins? I loved him.

Yes re Dal, but whenever I've intimated he should play more as a forward I get howled down so I refrained. Lol.

Robbins at times played as KPF when we had a midget team He too had the wow factor but as many small forwards often went missing too.

 

[The Original Swooper]

Moot point when Bevo doesn't play specialist small forwards

There was no point Mof. Just reminiscing. If you see my other posts I'm dead against chasing Cyril.

 

[Mofra]

There was no point Mof. Just reminiscing. If you see my other posts I'm dead against chasing Cyril.

I agree with you - and Cyril just isn't durable enough for a role up the ground (tried, and his hamstrings put paid to that).
I'd prefer we just hit the draft with our first rounder (and still shudder at the thought of pick 11 for Lobbe).

 

[geoffjennings79]

Are you Joel Selwood ?

I'll pay that! I was driving too fast to read it, but still well within the signed speed limit, just caught it at the last minute. (Plus, when I played footy, I didn't whinge constantly to umpires - although a few of my opponents did! Luckily there were no cameras in the EDFL in my era.)

 

[Mattdougie]

Yeah let's concentrate on ANOTHER small forward and not worry about rucks it KPBs again for another year.

Why not let's get Ablett an Cyril, trade JJ and retire Moyd and Morris and perhaps bring in Zac Dawson to help out the back line

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Yeah let's concentrate on ANOTHER small forward and not worry about rucks it KPBs again for another year.

Why not let's get Ablett an Cyril, trade JJ and retire Moyd and Morris and perhaps bring in Zac Dawson to help out the back line

Great plan! With Ablett and Cyril the other team won't touch the ball and we won't need defenders anymore. Let's do it!

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Regarding limelight. The 2 you mention are home grown (and with Bont it's deserved and he handles it with aplomb) Not sure an "imported" stars attention is in the same realm.

The 3rd cost of any trade (after trade cost and salary) is opportunity cost. What do we forego in the draft (in Dal we trust) surrendering our first ?

I really do understand why some folks would love Cyril in a Dogs team, I'm just not sure the risk vs reward equation leans towards doing it, nor do I think he fits where we are at List wise. But..... each to their own

You are right, the two I listed are home grown but there doesn't seem to be too many dramas with Boyd which is probably the best example there is.

I understand your point about opportunity cost. If we take Cyril there's probably more certainty about what we'll get, just we won't get it for as long as a draftee. Also a big chance his form drops.

But Mof raised a very good point which I overlooked which is versatility. Cyril can't do midfield without doing his hammies. The only guys in our team who aren't very versatile are Fletcher Roberts and Dale Morris. Dale plays Tall and small defence. But only defence. Fletch only plays Tall defence.

So he just might not be a Bevo guy. Which is a shame IMO, but Bev is a genius, got us a flag so more than happy trusting his judgement.

 

[dergert]

Would look at tregrove

 

[Testekill]

Would look at tregrove

Am a fan but may be expensive to trade for. Port cap is full to bursting which would help

 

[Dale4captain]

Cyril would be a Shaun Burgoyne type pick up. That strategy worked well for the Hawks. Cut the expendable players when the time comes to make room. That's what wins premierships. I'd not offer Stewy Cram a very significant contract next year, nor would I be putting a big one in front of Dicko, Dale, Honeychurch, Redpath or Jong. All can play a role, but that's all they do. Might be a little harsh there on Dicko though.

 

[Dav1d]

Cyril would be a Shaun Burgoyne type pick up. That strategy worked well for the Hawks. Cut the expendable players when the time comes to make room. That's what wins premierships. I'd not offer Stewy Cram a very significant contract next year, nor would I be putting a big one in front of Dicko, Dale, Honeychurch, Redpath or Jong. All can play a role, but that's all they do. Might be a little harsh there on Dicko though.

Oh the triggers there at the end D4C, although I strongly agree with that first part. What amount of money would it be to pry Cyril from the Hawks?

 

[Pugz89]

Oh the triggers there at the end D4C, although I strongly agree with that first part. What amount of money would it be to pry Cyril from the Hawks?

Thats assuming he is even gettable anyway. He may just want to stay as a one club player, although I do suspect him re-signing recently was more about restructuring his payrates to make it easier to trade him to another club.