Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Mofra]

agree we were a bit top heavy last year but we still need depth

what happens when Morris and Cordy are both injured - we are then relying on Sid, Naughty and Young as our KPD's

If we even play 3 KPDs - often we play two and ask Wood to play an interceptor role. It gives us more rebound.

How often does the third opposition tall tear a team apart? It's more likely either the best KPF or the mid sizers who do the damage.

 

[hatescaptcha]

I think your numbers are out, my count has us with two live picks after West and Khamis and upgrades to Gowers and Lynch.


OUT:

Senior List (9 out)
Adams
Biggs
Campbell
Collins
Dahlhaus
Honeychurch
Redpath
Roughead
C.Smith

Rookie List (3 out)
Mullenger-McHugh
Lynch (upgrade)
Gowers (upgrade)


IN:

Sernior List (5 in to date, 4 still to come in italics)
Lloyd
Duryea
Gowers
Lynch
B.Smith
West
Khamis
Draft Pick
Draft Pick

Rookie List (3 to come)
Draft Pick
Draft Pick
Draft Pick

Wouldn’t be the first time... that’s looks right.


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[_M_16_]

We simply have to draft Bailey Williams for his name alone, plus he's a forward/ruck to develop.

We would probably have to seek sponsorship from Baileys at this rate. Seems a fitting match

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Good we have more selections than I had thought. Really hope that we get a couple of mature agers (e.g. Will Hayes)

 

[Whoyagot]

Would love to grab Cavarra with one of our last picks. I think he’ll immediately bring something to our forward line in a similar way to Gowers this year.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Would love to grab Cavarra with one of our last picks. I think he’ll immediately bring something to our forward line in a similar way to Gowers this year.

Much prefer Cavarra to Hayes.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Much prefer Cavarra to Hayes.

Ha we have both now

 

[Northernsoul74]

Ha we have both now

Great to see Footscray form rewarded and hope I’m proven wrong. I just don’t see him as an afl player.

 

[wian]

Can somebody please post a list of who we got rid of on the list and who we picked up so we can view the whole thing in its Entirety?

 

[Sentinel]

Can somebody please post a list of who we got rid of on the list and who we picked up so we can view the whole thing in its Entirety?

Out:
Biggs
Redpath
Collins
Clay Smith
Campbell
Honeychurch
Dahlhaus
Adams
Roughead
NMM
Gowers (to main list)
Lynch (to main list)

2019 4th rounder (to Port via Hawks)

In:
Duryea
Lloyd
Bailey Smith
West
Vandermeer
Cavarra
Hayes
Gowers
Lynch
Khamis
Young
Sweet

2019 3rd rounder (tied to Hawks)
2019 3rd rounder (tied to Saints)

 

[dogzrule]

Out:
Biggs
Redpath
Collins
Clay Smith
Campbell
Honeychurch
Dahlhaus
Adams
Roughead
NMM
Gowers (to main list)
Lynch (to main list)

2019 4th rounder (to Hawks)

In:
Duryea
Lloyd
Bailey Smith
West
Vandermeer
Cavarra
Hayes
Gowers
Lynch
Khamis
Young
Sweet

2019 3rd rounder (tied to Hawks)
2019 3rd rounder (tied to Saints)
2019 3rd rounder (tied to North)

Have we traded out any 2019 picks Besides round 4 ?? Thought we got rid of round 2 but might be mistaken


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[Sentinel]

Have we traded out any 2019 picks ??


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2019 4th round pick for Duryea. I think that's it, with 2 3rd rounders coming in (tied to Saints and Hawks) through Marcus Adams + today's pick swap (via North).

 

[wian]

Looking at the above in its entirety, I think we have done very well.

Having those extra 3rd rounders in 2019 is nice..

 

[The Inbetweener]

With the 3rd rounders, it’s Hawthorn’s, North’s and our own isn’t it?

 

[dergert]

How many rebounding defenders do we need? Hahaha

 

[fronkalicious]

We went into the trade and draft period armed with:

Pick 7
Pick 42
Pick 59
Dahlhaus
Adams
A heap of cal Space freed up by these 2 plus clay and roughie
A free hit with west.

The net result?

Bailey smith
Rhylee west
Vandermeer
Cavarra
Sam LLoyd
Some 2019 picks in the 50s.

Can argue around the fringes (duryea), but wow that is hugely underwhelming.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

How many rebounding defenders do we need? Hahaha

Its not like players are pigeonholed into the same position that they played the majority of their junior football once they make it onto a senior list.

Williams, Lynch and Richards were all recruited and earmarked by fans as running half-backs and its pretty clear that the club see things somewhat differently. Each of those players look set to at the very least rotate through the middle of the ground or up forward. Beveridge's mantra of versatility is not just for his/our amusement.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

2019 3rd rounder (tied to Hawks)
2019 3rd rounder (tied to Saints)
2019 3rd rounder (tied to North)

The Hawthorn future 3rd game in the Adams trade
The North future 3rd came in a pick swap today
Where did the Saints one come from?

The wikipedia entry is wrong and has a typo (same as the entry immediately above it), if that was your source.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

We went into the trade and draft period armed with:

Pick 7
Pick 42
Pick 59
Dahlhaus
Adams
A heap of cal Space freed up by these 2 plus clay and roughie
A free hit with west.

The net result?

Bailey smith
Rhylee west
Vandermeer
Cavarra
Sam LLoyd
Some 2019 picks in the 50s.

Can argue around the fringes (duryea), but wow that is hugely underwhelming.

Hayes and Khamis not worth a mention?

 

[Tallsies]

We went into the trade and draft period armed with:

Pick 7
Pick 42
Pick 59
Dahlhaus
Adams
A heap of cal Space freed up by these 2 plus clay and roughie
A free hit with west.

The net result?

Bailey smith
Rhylee west
Vandermeer
Cavarra
Sam LLoyd
Some 2019 picks in the 50s.

Can argue around the fringes (duryea), but wow that is hugely underwhelming.

Absolutely pathetic off season recruiting. Every single recruit is VFL standard at best.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

We went into the trade and draft period armed with:

Pick 7
Pick 42
Pick 59
Dahlhaus
Adams
A heap of cal Space freed up by these 2 plus clay and roughie
A free hit with west.

The net result?

Bailey smith
Rhylee west
Vandermeer
Cavarra
Sam LLoyd
Some 2019 picks in the 50s.

Can argue around the fringes (duryea), but wow that is hugely underwhelming.

You've been pretty consistent and strong with your views on what we should and shouldn't do over the past few weeks, so I ask. What would've you done differently? Considering that no draft up/downgrade is done in isolation, opposition teams need to agree to any proposed pick trade and that every move has repercussions down the line. How would you've gone about achieving these ends?

 

[fronkalicious]

Hayes and Khamis not worth a mention?

A VFL player that went at pick 78 and someone that went undrafted?

 

[Sentinel]

The Hawthorn future 3rd game in the Adams trade
The North future 3rd came in a pick swap today
Where did the Saints one come from?

The wikipedia entry is wrong and has a typo (same as the entry immediately above it), if that was your source.

You're 100% correct, we only picked up 2 future 3rds. I double counted the North trade.

It seems that the pick North gave us was originally from the Saints though, they got it from St Kilda for pick 51 and turned it into 46 off us. Clever move by them if I'm not mistaken, cost nothing.

 

[adsum]

A VFL player that went at pick 78 and someone that went undrafted?

Regardless, you misrepresented the outcome. Poor form.

 

[fronkalicious]

You've been pretty consistent and strong with your views on what we should and shouldn't do over the past few weeks, so I ask. What would've you done differently? Considering that no draft up/downgrade is done in isolation, opposition teams need to agree to any proposed pick trade and that every move has repercussions down the line. How would you've gone about achieving these ends?

I can’t comment at all on the quality of the kids we picked in the draft Norm. They might be awesome. I’m rooting for them. I like the sound of them to be honest.

But the basic asset transaction ledger is really really poor.

We missed on Wingard.

We couldn’t find a way to trade down and take smith.

We couldn’t find a way to trade up and take a second high end pick before west.

We couldn’t trade down enough to get west for a song.

We couldn’t find a way to convert mountains of cap space into quality talent.

I really like powers direction with the list. A lot. To sign Bont is awesome. To move Dahl was gutsy and the right call. Same with Roughead.

But he’s either too inexperienced, not creative enough or not ballsy enough to get the job done in key areas yet in my opinion (again, clearly most disagree).

The club put him in that position. So I blame Gordon and co. To quote Sean Connery, its like we brought a knife to a gun fight.

Cest la vie. That’s the last I’ll say on it.

We balanced the list much much better, got quicker and better ball users. That’s all good stuff. But it feels very very much like a 4/10 effort from a transactional standpoint.

Go dogs.