Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[0utsider]

Our 2020 first rounder as a starting point.

It's not much use to us if we can cover Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Ewan McPherson with points.

Definitely not against trading our future 1st for ready to go talent, but Martin is very iffy. Would probably do the deal with their second coming back but I wonder, if we're trading 1st rounders surely we can find safer bets?

 

[Virgin Dog]

Definitely not against trading our future 1st for ready to go talent, but Martin is very iffy. Would probably do the deal with their second coming back but I wonder, if we're trading 1st rounders surely we can find safer bets?

The only players I can think of us being linked to so far this year are Tomlinson (FA), Langdon (could cost us a 1st), Smith (not happening, and definitely not for a 1st) and Martin (would involve our 1st). So basically Martin and Langdon are the only ones, and neither are worth a pick in the top 10. Although there will almost certainly be a left-field name come up that no one expected during the season (bit like how Lloyd and Duryea weren't really talked about during the year, then suddenly they're traded to us)

 

[gangsta deluxe]

I'm going to laugh so hard when we give over a pick in the 70s we werent even going to use for Smith.

Theyll then of course shoot their bolt at some other player with high picks using the cap space freed up.

 

[Mofra]

Definitely not against trading our future 1st for ready to go talent, but Martin is very iffy. Would probably do the deal with their second coming back but I wonder, if we're trading 1st rounders surely we can find safer bets?

We'll most likely look to FAs with our cap space then end up with 'handy role players'.

If I was to guess, we miss out on most of our targets and end up swapping Bailey Williams for Rory Atkins with some late pick swapping and we try to trade out some of our third rounders this year for 2020 picks, potentially upgrading our first and second this year by trading out our 2020 first.

Fact is if we finish 6th from the bottom top end talent will be hard to attract as the chance of success is a large consideration for top tier players changing teams.

 

[Virgin Dog]

I'm going to laugh so hard when we give over a pick in the 70s we werent even going to use for Smith.

Theyll then of course shoot their bolt at some other player with high picks using the cap space freed up.

This is how I see it going down, if at all. The only reason Smith would leave is if Hawks are desperate for the cap space. There's no way they get Cogs/Patton over unless they lose a big earner in the process. Wouldn't be surprised if we handed over a 4th rounder (similar to what we paid for Lloyd)

 

[Mofra]

This is how I see it going down, if at all. The only reason Smith would leave is if Hawks are desperate for the cap space. There's no way they get Cogs/Patton over unless they lose a big earner in the process. Wouldn't be surprised if we handed over a 4th rounder (similar to what we paid for Lloyd)

Smith is more valuable than Lloyd, I'd expect him to cost more - unless there are other factors in play, e.g. they asked about Webb two years ago and he's out of contract, and we might want some further tall depth if we miss out on some target so agree take on *gulp* Ryan Shoenmakers as well.

 

[Virgin Dog]

We'll most likely look to FAs with our cap space then end up with 'handy role players'.

If I was to guess, we miss out on most of our targets and end up swapping Bailey Williams for Rory Atkins with some late pick swapping and we try to trade out some of our third rounders this year for 2020 picks, potentially upgrading our first and second this year by trading out our 2020 first.

Fact is if we finish 6th from the bottom top end talent will be hard to attract as the chance of success is a large consideration for top tier players changing teams.

I have similar thoughts for how I see it going down:

• We'll swap a mid-range player for a mid-range player (Williams for Atkins)
• Move some picks around in the draft, potentially even trying to get another 1st rounder this year - could end up with a combination like Will Gould and Cam Taheny - reminiscent of 2017 draft of Richards and Naughton
• We will get blue-balled by some moderately big name free agent like Tomlinson, only for him to decide against it, just like Wingard last year and Hurley/Carlisle in years prior
• End up grabbing depth from another club or their discards (Schoey from Hawks, Josh Jenkins from Adelaide, Lewis Taylor from Brisbane)

In the ideal world, and not too far from potential reality, we'd grab Tomlinson or Newnes in free agency (I know I'm pushing Newnes a lot on here lately, but I really think he'd fit our side nicely), then we'd grab Dan Butler from Richmond for a mid-level pick (maybe two 3rd rounders for Butler + 4th) and maybe one of two other small name role players. I suppose we expected similar last year, where we'd grab a big name (Wingard) and some reliable mid-level players like Lloyd and Duryea, but this year I think we are genuinely a chance given the ridiculous cap space and having claimed some big scalps so far (mainly Richmond and Hawks).

I really do hope at the very least that we get in the ear of either Ronke or Butler. Both have been forced out of their sides after looking like 200+ gamers, and I think both could come cheap (prefer Butler).

 

[The Inbetweener]

Don’t shoot the messenger, but we have certainly enquired about Josh Jenkins

 

[Mofra]

In the ideal world, and not too far from potential reality, we'd grab Tomlinson or Newnes in free agency (I know I'm pushing Newnes a lot on here lately, but I really think he'd fit our side nicely), then we'd grab Dan Butler from Richmond for a mid-level pick (maybe two 3rd rounders for Butler + 4th) and maybe one of two other small name role players. I suppose we expected similar last year, where we'd grab a big name (Wingard) and some reliable mid-level players like Lloyd and Duryea, but this year I think we are genuinely a chance given the ridiculous cap space and having claimed some big scalps so far (mainly Richmond and Hawks).

I really do hope at the very least that we get in the ear of either Ronke or Butler. Both have been forced out of their sides after looking like 200+ gamers, and I think both could come cheap (prefer Butler).

The only issue I have with Newnes is that the Saints also will have huge cap space for next year and will be desperate to keep him, otherwise I couldn't sign fast enough.

There's always a left-field option though. Hopefully someone like Cox from Freo is genuinely gettable with their logjam of talls, as outside of success the two factors players want are contract and opportunity and any half-decent tall will certainly get opportunity with us.

 

[Virgin Dog]

The only issue I have with Newnes is that the Saints also will have huge cap space for next year and will be desperate to keep him, otherwise I couldn't sign fast enough.

There's always a left-field option though. Hopefully someone like Cox from Freo is genuinely gettable with their logjam of talls, as outside of success the two factors players want are contract and opportunity and any half-decent tall will certainly get opportunity with us.

Yeah I like Cox (heh) and, depending on how Dixon goes, he may look for further opportunity. Would be a great get at the right price.

Speaking of WA talls, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of Brander/Waterman start looking elsewhere, especially if Kennedy keeps going. I believe Brander recently re-signed, and to my knowledge is much more rated within West Coast, so Waterman could also be an option. Only problem is that he'd be competing for Schache's spot, rather than being that real imposing forward target that we need alongside Naughton

 

[Virgin Dog]

Don’t shoot the messenger, but we have certainly enquired about Josh Jenkins

Nah Jenkins wouldn't be a bad target tbh. Reliably kicked 40+ goals the last 5 seasons prior to 2019. Would be alright for a couple years, but we'd still need to be thinking long term options

 

[Pugz89]

Don’t shoot the messenger, but we have certainly enquired about Josh Jenkins

Salary cap dump from the Crows, to try and fit in Grundy I suspect. If that's the case, reckon a late second round or third round would get it done. Was on 650k a year from memory.

 

[Mofra]

Salary cap dump from the Crows, to try and fit in Grundy I suspect. If that's the case, reckon a late second round or third round would get it done. Was on 650k a year from memory.

Late second? I'd offer less for a salary dump player.

Scully and Ahern are far more valuable and were offered for peanuts as salary-dumps.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Salary cap dump from the Crows, to try and fit in Grundy I suspect. If that's the case, reckon a late second round or third round would get it done. Was on 650k a year from memory.

Late second? I'd offer less for a salary dump player.

Scully and Ahern are far more valuable and were offered for peanuts as salary-dumps.

If it's salary dump, we'd be upgrading a 4th rounder or something like that - maybe even trading in our favour (i.e. give them this year's 4th for Jenkins and their future 4th)

 

[The Inbetweener]

Salary cap dump from the Crows, to try and fit in Grundy I suspect. If that's the case, reckon a late second round or third round would get it done. Was on 650k a year from memory.

Apparently still keen to stay at the Crows but if he is still playing SANFL next week he wants out

 

[grassman75]

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Little something for those suggesting 1 or even 2 early first rounders for Martin...

The rebuilding Suns....really? Not sure they even poured the foundations on the last site before the union shut them down...lol

 

[grassman75]

Started the season up forward which he become that long bomb options in the marking contest.
Has great ability to read the flight of the ball and gets into his position

Dogs put him down back the last couple of weeks to help cover losing Jordan Sweet for three weeks
PLayed his role well as a primary shut down defender

So do you think he will play fwd in tandem with Astro?

 

[grassman75]

Yeah I like Cox (heh) and, depending on how Dixon goes, he may look for further opportunity. Would be a great get at the right price.

Speaking of WA talls, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of Brander/Waterman start looking elsewhere, especially if Kennedy keeps going. I believe Brander recently re-signed, and to my knowledge is much more rated within West Coast, so Waterman could also be an option. Only problem is that he'd be competing for Schache's spot, rather than being that real imposing forward target that we need alongside Naughton

Surely Dixon stays on if we acquire Cox...even if it's just so our fwdlne team sheet says Dickson Cox...

 

[Virgin Dog]

Surely Dixon stays on if we acquire Cox...even if it's just so our fwdlne team sheet says Dickson Cox...

I think we need to adopt a new strategy. Hugh Dixon, Charlie Dixon, Brennan Cox, Mason Cox, Riley Bonner and Aiden Bonar should all be our top trade targets.

Just imagine having our two ends of the ground as:

FB: H. Dixon - B. Cox - R. Bonner


HF: xxx - M. Cox - E. Richards
FF: T. Dickson - C. Dixon - A. Bonar

 

[Munnez]

Salary cap dump from the Crows, to try and fit in Grundy I suspect. If that's the case, reckon a late second round or third round would get it done. Was on 650k a year from memory.

Seems to be in the ballpark, wonder if Crows might pay a portion of his salary to grease the wheels of the deal

 

[Hicksey]

I agree on your assessment of trading Wallis and McLean, but the only issue is that both still have multiple years to go (2021 and 2022 respectively).

Hunter I think is pretty underrated, in the sense that his two-way running is absolutely vital to our structure. He contributes so much towards linking up the play from defence to forward. His disposal is pretty shocking, but as a defensive wing I think he's one of the best in the business. I wouldn't want to trade him, but I can understand people's frustration with him.

In terms of our targets, fully agree with you on the areas we need to address (pace, goal sense, tall defender). I like Astbury as a key defender, but I worry that his lack of pace would prevent him fitting into our side, so I think Tomlinson is the better option as you suggested. Martin would be perfect for adding pace and x-factor to our forward half, so to me he's worth the gamble and potential price. Elliot, if he could stay fit, would be great, but that's a huge "if". Either way I'd love to take a look at one of Collingwood's smalls, since they had about 5 or 6 players who outscored our leading goalkicker last year.

For outside wings, Newnes is a free agent this year, and his delivery inside 50 is among the best in the AFL. Atkins is also coming out of contract this year, and we've enquired in the past, so he'd be a nice addition. The other one is Ed Langdon from Freo. Questionable disposal at times, but his speed (particularly his acceleration) is incredible, and is up there with Tippa as one of the best chase-down tacklers in the AFL. Any of those 3 would be great targets I think

I like them wing options any of those three I think would help. I like Issac Smith but I dont think the age suits our list. A player similar to smith good running ability would be great

 

[fronkalicious]

The salary dump is going to become more common as it is in American sport.

If the crows want to get off JJ’s salary, they’ll give him away for nothing. Certainly not a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Time will come when teams actually have to attach an asset to dump a player. I could’ve seen us doing that with Boyd if he hadn’t have retired. Trade Boyd and a 2nd rounder for a 4th rounder as an example.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

I like them wing options any of those three I think would help. I like Issac Smith but I dont think the age suits our list. A player similar to smith good running ability would be great

I think his age suits us well. We have barely any senior players. Picken is gone, Morris probably as well. Dickson likely to go and not sure about Suckling. If those 4 go, it leaves Easton Wood as the only player on our list born in the 80’s.

 

[The Inbetweener]

A few more tidbits.

Rory Atkins not going anywhere this year at least. Free agent next year so will get through til then and then reassess

Power being EXTREMELY proactive which is great to hear. Has asked the question about Todd Marshall and Ben King. Unfortunately neither likely to leave. Marshall feels a sense of loyalty to Port for how they have supported him.
With King, they don’t want him to leave after one year and put pressure on himself like Boyd.

Club and management extremely confident even if there is changes to the academy system it won’t impact their access to Ugle-Hagan. Apparently we have already put in a heap of work into him.

 

[Pugz89]

A few more tidbits.

Rory Atkins not going anywhere this year at least. Free agent next year so will get through til then and then reassess

Power being EXTREMELY proactive which is great to hear. Has asked the question about Todd Marshall and Ben King. Unfortunately neither likely to leave. Marshall feels a sense of loyalty to Port for how they have supported him.
With King, they don’t want him to leave after one year and put pressure on himself like Boyd.

Club and management extremely confident even if there is changes to the academy system it won’t impact their access to Ugle-Hagan. Apparently we have already put in a heap of work into him.

No mention of McKay?