Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Virgin Dog]

Would we want Petruccelle and if so what is his trade worth?

I can definitely see benefit. Very glass cannon type player. At his best, he's capable of near BOG displays (see his 5 goal game in an Eagles loss this year) and his run is as damaging as any other player in the AFL. Goes missing far too often to be worth high trade / contract price though, but he is very young still so plenty of time to sort that out. Would be fantastic on a wing/half forward.

Trade price - ask some Eagles fans (only the biggest of nuffies, not the average Eagles fan mind you) and they'll say first rounder. Ask anyone who knows even the slightest bit about footy, and they'd say a 3rd rounder is realistic. If we gave Pick 41 for him, I think that would be fair. Doubt it would be worthwhile for the Eagles though. This kid has a fairly high ceiling in my opinion, and is contracted, so it's hardly worth trading him out

 

[Northernsoul74]

Pretty much. Still haven't brought in a number 1 defender, but realistically I think Trengove plays that role quite well. If he stops with the risky small range kicks that seems to lead to turnovers 90% of the time, then he'd actually be a very handy KPD I think. Would love to see him train with the defenders 100% of the preseason, and we can have the likes of Schache and Bruce pinch hitting in the ruck when English needs the rest.

God I'm excited for next year already, and we haven't even hit trade period. Actually so hyped at bringing in the two bookends we needed

Yep, I think Bevo rates athleticism and intercepting more than pure stopping so he’s happy for that trade off.

 

[dogwatch]

I’m not sure Jamarra is a med fwd. He already has key fwd attributes and when eventually putting size on, he’ll be a pretty big player.

He's already 194-195cm and surely has a bit of growth still to go.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

You mean like our posters did when we were not getting a first round pick for Stringer!!!!!

Laughable we have so many posters bagging out opposition supporters for melting.

Have you ever read our trading threads, match day posts, review posts or discussions about the merits of our players. It is like bagging salty Sydney supporters about umpiring, we do that well to.

Anyways good to see players we need in the positions we need nominate us for a change. Get it done without trying to be too clever. No need with our player profile.

Any other trades now are cream

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All part of the tribalism of football.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

He's already 194-195cm and surely has a bit of growth still to go.

Agree, when he fills out he’ll be big.

 

[go you pups]

Haven't checked this chat in a few days, has this chat stopped chugging that Port Adelaide list clogger Sam Gray as yet?

 

[True Dog]

I’m not sure Petrucelle is all that good a player. He looks great when he’s got a clear path ahead of him but how often does that happen? Speed aside, he seems a very average player.

The kid is 20 with massive upside loaded with attributes we’re screaming out for playing in a quality team. Would be great pick up at the right price IMO.

 

[Del165892]

I honestly can't believe any of you could possibly think that Bevo was hinting in some way that we are interested in Petrucelle. How do you not recognise his sense of humour by now? I'm not saying I found it funny but it's a very Bevo thing to say. Far out you blokes will look for meaning in anything.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Do we still need a mature backup ruck?

Don't reckon unless we think Sweet is a dud.

English
Trengove
Sweet

Then worst case we have a heap others that could fill in for a week or two - Cordy, Young, Naughts, Bruce

 

[pebblesofsand]

Saints posters are melting now they realise we really don’t have to hand over 12 for Bruce.

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

 

[BeMoreBont]

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

Lol.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

As much as I want to keep pick 12. I have a feeling it could be in play with the Crows if Grundy comes into the picture. We can drop back into the second round, get an extra pick/s in the 20's. And it gives them more ammunition to make a trade for Grundy if he requests a trade, whilst we ship one off for Bruce and still have a solid draft hand.

Grundy definitely isn’t leaving this year.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

We paid much less for Sam Lloyd who kicked more goals than Bruce this year.

 

[darthbards]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

I doubt you will be getting just pick 30,you'll be getting pick 21 and maybe a lower pick as well. If the Saints can find a pick in the 20's to give us you will be a chance for pick 12.

And save your baby Lipinski wishes for your own delusional board.

 

[Dry Rot]

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Given your trade targets this year, and going after King next year, you may not have a lot of cap space left.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

We wouldn't trade Lipinski for Bruce in a straight swap, let alone with Pick 30. He wouldn't leave regardless, considering he's been a lifelong Dogs fan and is getting consistent time in our best 22

 

[Dry Rot]

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

I like Bruce but I wouldn't compare him to Buddy or a fit Daniher.

 

[Euku]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

Pick 30 and 41 i think

 

[Dogs Rule]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

Let the overvaluing of players begin...

Are you sure you shouldn’t be asking for pick 1 for Bruce? Maybe two first rounders and a player or maybe two players?

I get that when a player wants to leave for a better deal there’s anger there, but let’s be realistic here. He ain’t coming back now.

 

[dogwatch]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

Or ...

Sam Power could just say Saints are sh*t to deal with, let him stay at Moorabbin and see how much he's worth in 12 months time when he is 28 going on 29, his contract has expired and Max King has gone past him. They'd jump at pick 30 but we probably wouldn't be in the market for him then.

Saints have other plans for their forward line, need the cap space and need the draft picks. While I'm sure Power will tweak what he can to get the deal over the line the Saints shouldn't think they hold all the cards.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

The discussion was around us getting 21 or 26 from Crows for 12 and giving you that. Not 30. The point is 24 hours ago it looked likely 12 would get to Saints in some way. But with Keath nominating us we have much more options for getting these trades done now. If you want 12, if it’s involved, you need to find something to send back because currently the Crows are a lot more attractive to send 12 to.
We also have options in splitting 12 with say a West Coast, or upgrading our 3 third rounders with Freos second to help their NGA bid.
We have a lot of options to get Bruce and Keath, Saints not so much if you want 12.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Given your trade targets this year, and going after King next year, you may not have a lot of cap space left.

Saints fans also talking about one of the Crouch brothers. No idea how they are doing all this with 5 and 55.

 

[Dog 36]

With players like Bruce, I believe when they come out and say I want to go to club x or y (not sure he has said he wants Dogs) a deal has been done in principal by the clubs or they have sounded out each other and believe a deal will be done.

For example it maybe the Dogs current second round pick or if by end of trade period the Dogs get an earlier second rounder than they currently have then it will be that pick.

Curious how saints get all these players that are supposedly going to them with the pics they have right now. Ain’t happening I say.

 

[Dog 36]

For those like Fronk and others who have a better handle on opposition players and our needs, who would you try to get from WCE given that they make require a pick 12 to get Kelly?

Is Petrucelle the type we need and pick 12 with something else coming back from Eagles a fair deal? Is Petrucelle an in between player, of a Dale and the small forward we need without been the outright small forward we do need sllije a Charlie Cameron type.

 

[compact72]

Thing with Bruce, he is a pick 12 to them but not to us

He provides some structure to their forward line being their KPP. His our Naughton


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