Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[doggies ftw]

Interesting to look back at a few of our recent trades now given we now have a rough idea of what last years ones look like now

Lobb will essentially now be for pick 33 last year and pick 33-35 this year

Dunks will be 21 (Clarke) last year and 14-18 + 33-35 this year

Very happy with Lipinski for 43 (Arty Jones) after watching the Pies on Saturday Lippa is still the slow soft footballer he was with us and will be dropped this week

Young for 52 which was used in the Darcy bid and he is now in the same boat as Lippa same issues he had with us popping their head up and playing multiple games in the 2s

In hindsight we got pretty ripped for Dunks but don’t really think we could have done any better. Hopefully we really nail one of the picks in a big way which would make up for it.

 

[Foxman98]

In hindsight we got pretty ripped for Dunks but don’t really think we could have done any better. Hopefully we really nail one of the picks in a big way which would make up for it.

We 100% did but sadly we really didn't have that much leverage

All we need is a straight sets choke job which could very well happen if they don't finish top 2 and it won't be look as terrible

 

[The Inbetweener]

Interesting to look back at a few of our recent trades now given we now have a rough idea of what last years ones look like now

Lobb will essentially now be for pick 33 last year and pick 33-35 this year

Dunks will be 21 (Clarke) last year and 14-18 + 33-35 this year

Very happy with Lipinski for 43 (Arty Jones) after watching the Pies on Saturday Lippa is still the slow soft footballer he was with us and will be dropped this week

Young for 52 which was used in the Darcy bid and he is now in the same boat as Lippa same issues he had with us popping their head up and playing multiple games in the 2s

Don’t forget we gave back 2 x 3rd rounders in the Dunkley trade too.

 

[Foxman98]

Don’t forget we gave back 2 x 3rd rounders in the Dunkley trade too.

Currently 52 and 53 not that bad

 

[Bald]

I’m in the rather not camp for Ginnivin. I realise he’d be inexpensive but the fact that he kicked 40 goals last year and can’t get a gig this year is concerning considering the forward line woes of the team he’s currently at.

I just don’t know who we’d play him ahead of in 2024, you’d think Darcy, Clarke and A Jones will all demand forward line opportunities next year so there’s going to be a bit of spot shuffling as it is.

 

[Foxman98]

I’m in the rather not camp for Ginnivin. I realise he’d be inexpensive but the fact that he kicked 40 goals last year and can’t get a gig this year is concerning considering the forward line woes of the team he’s currently at.

I just don’t know who we’d play him ahead of in 2024, you’d think Darcy, Clarke and A Jones will all demand forward line opportunities next year so there’s going to be a bit of spot shuffling as it is.

Poulter couldn't get a game either he is looking very handy for us

He'd be at worst depth over Scott or McComb types

 

[LittleG]

Darcy is about as fast as Ginnivan and will convert far more aerial opportunities than him.

AJ is much better value as a small forward.

 

[Mofra]

I’m in the rather not camp for Ginnivin. I realise he’d be inexpensive but the fact that he kicked 40 goals last year and can’t get a gig this year is concerning considering the forward line woes of the team he’s currently at.

I just don’t know who we’d play him ahead of in 2024, you’d think Darcy, Clarke and A Jones will all demand forward line opportunities next year so there’s going to be a bit of spot shuffling as it is.

The chased Bobby Hill as a replacement who is playing very good football.
Plus they have Jamie Elliot who is the footballer Cody could be

I suspect he ends up at Essendon who are even more desperate for a small forward than we are. They wheeled out the obese corpse of Walla for a season FFS

On Ginnivan though, if we really wanted a goalkicking small forward who doesn't chase much we could have had Alex Sexton last year for nothing.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Currently 52 and 53 not that bad

Yeah and I’m certainly happy they helped us upgrade to 35. Just need to be considered in the whole sum of parts of the trade

 

[Dog 36]

The best role for West is probably where Baz is playing at the moment. High half forward with the ability to get involved in the contest as the extra mid up the ground. Baz probably needs to move into Treloar's role full time from next season to start that transition phase. Where that leaves Treloar, well I'm not too sure.

In all honesty Baz needs a stint at VFL

Lacking confidence been carried at the moment when we can not afford to carry anyone

 

[Bald]

Poulter couldn't get a game either he is looking very handy for us

He'd be at worst depth over Scott or McComb types

Yeah, the wings were an area of need for us. The forward line is calling out for a small pressure forward - that isn’t Ginnivin.

Scott should be replaced by Clarke or Jones in 2024.

 

[doggies ftw]

In all honesty Baz needs a stint at VFL

Lacking confidence been carried at the moment when we can not afford to carry anyone

Baz was good on the weekend, if he brings that tackling & pressure intensity every week he plays IMO. He’s in a lean form patch but just getting him to focus on this side of his game will make him a much more rounded player when he inevitably finds his flair back

He’s definitely no where near in the drop zone considering how many we have who could be dropped

 

[Foxman98]

Yeah, the wings were an area of need for us. The forward line is calling out for a small pressure forward - that isn’t Ginnivin.

Scott should be replaced by Clarke or Jones in 2024.

We have the small pressure types Arty/West/Scott we lack the small goal kicking type

 

[Anja_Nees]

West has footy smarts should have been played a lot more since the start of his career we stifled his development I reckon but he's come good just leave him in the team please

I think West has a tendency to go against instructions and habitually gets banished as a result.

I think he’s hit a good stretch of form so hopefully it’s all up from here.

 

[Bald]

We have the small pressure types Arty/West/Scott we lack the small goal kicking type

Does Cody play golf?

In all seriousness. Ginni is a young Hannan with a poor attitude.

 

[doggies ftw]

I think West has a tendency to go against instructions and habitually gets banished as a result.

I think he’s hit a good stretch of form so hopefully it’s all up from here.

I know we’re not privy to this stuff so maybe it’s the case but I’m really not sure what those instructions would be, maybe he makes too many forward, attacking handballs rather than going backwards like Bevo loves?

He was a bit selfish early days but he’s completely stamped that out of his game, if anything he’s gone the opposite way and now is almost too selfless, ie gives it off when he could have a shot.

I dunno every weakness in his game he’s worked on and turned into a bit of a strength, yet he’s still always one poor game away from being dropped.

It’s frustrating, can’t imagine how frustrating it is for him watching shit campaigners get game after game, we’ve played McComb over him in the forward line at times ffs

 

[Foxman98]

Does Cody play golf?

In all seriousness. Ginni is a young Hannan with a poor attitude.

I don't class Cody as a small he is your Fritsch/Greene hybrid type for me

Ginni is Hannan but with actual AFL production

 

[Mr. Walker]

He didn't play

But Power and the other bloke are Bulldogs and it is a Bulldog thing that the ability of Bulldog players seems to increase when they don’t play

 

[Munnez]

No to ginivan we have Clarke already, someone like Oliver Holland's would be so good for us run all day tackle pressure and can kick, obviously won't be getting him is anyone in the draft like him

Darcy Wilson similar profile

 

[dergert]

Hawks fans are saying they're certainties for Liam Henry. Interesting times.

 

[Bald]

I know we’re not privy to this stuff so maybe it’s the case but I’m really not sure what those instructions would be, maybe he makes too many forward, attacking handballs rather than going backwards like Bevo loves?

He was a bit selfish early days but he’s completely stamped that out of his game, if anything he’s gone the opposite way and now is almost too selfless, ie gives it off when he could have a shot.

I dunno every weakness in his game he’s worked on and turned into a bit of a strength, yet he’s still always one poor game away from being dropped.

It’s frustrating, can’t imagine how frustrating it is for him watching s**t campaigners get game after game, we’ve played McComb over him in the forward line at times ffs

Clearly McComb played too much last year. Nobody would dispute that, but interestingly enough, Rhylee only played one fewer game last year than Robbie and has well and truly eclipsed him for games in the last two years now.

I think we can put the McComb bashing to bed. He’s clearly not going to be on the list next year. We were beaten up in the midfield in the 2021 grand final and the coaches tried to do something silly to fix it.

I’ve swung between being the biggest fan and biggest detractor of West for years but it’s clear to me he shouldn’t be playing VFL again, for a long time.

 

[Dog 36]

Baz was good on the weekend, if he brings that tackling & pressure intensity every week he plays IMO. He’s in a lean form patch but just getting him to focus on this side of his game will make him a much more rounded player when he inevitably finds his flair back

He’s definitely no where near in the drop zone considering how many we have who could be dropped

tbh did not think his tackling pressure and intensity stood out. Haven't looked at his tackle numbers so he may yet make me look like a fool.

One thing that stood out was his decision making and his hesitation he seemed bereft of confidence and foot skills are still an issue.

He can work on his Tackling and pressure acts in the VFL also.

Not convinced there are many ahead of him that could be dropped right now

 

[Anja_Nees]

I know we’re not privy to this stuff so maybe it’s the case but I’m really not sure what those instructions would be, maybe he makes too many forward, attacking handballs rather than going backwards like Bevo loves?

He was a bit selfish early days but he’s completely stamped that out of his game, if anything he’s gone the opposite way and now is almost too selfless, ie gives it off when he could have a shot.

I dunno every weakness in his game he’s worked on and turned into a bit of a strength, yet he’s still always one poor game away from being dropped.

It’s frustrating, can’t imagine how frustrating it is for him watching s**t campaigners get game after game, we’ve played McComb over him in the forward line at times ffs

The selfishness was certainly a problem, but there was a game against Carlton a few years ago where his defensive pressure was nonexistent and he was dropped for an extended period.

In his game against the Saints in round two he gave away lazy free kicks etc and barely touched it.

More than anything it didn’t seem like he made consistent effort in the forward line. It’s probably a role he’s learning on the job. He makes an impact every game at the moment so I really hope he stamps the position as his own and doesn’t look back.

 

[Foxman98]

I know we’re not privy to this stuff so maybe it’s the case but I’m really not sure what those instructions would be, maybe he makes too many forward, attacking handballs rather than going backwards like Bevo loves?

He was a bit selfish early days but he’s completely stamped that out of his game, if anything he’s gone the opposite way and now is almost too selfless, ie gives it off when he could have a shot.

I dunno every weakness in his game he’s worked on and turned into a bit of a strength, yet he’s still always one poor game away from being dropped.

It’s frustrating, can’t imagine how frustrating it is for him watching s**t campaigners get game after game, we’ve played McComb over him in the forward line at times ffs

It would clearly be when he oftens goes for the man before the ball and gets caught out goal side as happened multiple times against GWS, or when he had no intensity and no impact against the saints in R2

He had a great game on Friday but trying to pretend he still hasn't got any flaws is silly, Also McComb has hardly played this year so trying to work out the relevance of bringing his name up here

 

[Golden_6]

In all honesty Baz needs a stint at VFL

Lacking confidence been carried at the moment when we can not afford to carry anyone

Well we can afford to carry him. Who’s the alternative? McNeil? McLean? McComb? I’d take an out of form Baz ahead of any of those players and he’d still outperform them.