Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Foxman98]

Maybe pick 8 + future 2nd

For

Dunks + future 4th


Pick 8 alone wouldn’t be enough?

Have just checked the port board to see what their fans are thinking last one said "Amon Compo" how are people so delusional on player values

 

[DognBones]

What??? You realise being vaxed doesn't prevent you from;

1. Getting it
2. Transmitting it
3. Getting the full strain

Vaxed or not, one player isn't going to make a difference to the "dangers" and anyone who says different is either naive, ignorant or a lying politician.

The team wants to win flags, pretty simple really and if Jones can help then I'd imagine they would be happy having him.

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Being in the process of recovering from a recent infection, I do understand your points 1-3 above. The point I was making
is that if one person has the conscientious objection not to be vaccinated then another person could have his own reasons not to be in close contact with that person which may or may not include transmission factors. Bottom line for me is that if I know someone is not vaccinated he/she is not welcome in my house. That's my personal choice.

 

[immortalmike]

Dunkley's value is a little out of whack here.
He's worth pick 8 and a downgrade of lower picks.

The people thinking we're getting a top ten pick and change for a player with Dunkley's deficiencies are in for a shock.

 

[iambrilliant]

Dunkley's value is a little out of whack here.
He's worth pick 8 and a downgrade of lower picks.

The people thinking we're getting a top ten pick and change for a player with Dunkley's deficiencies are in for a shock.

Agree , pick 8 gets it done I reckon

 

[Sentinel]

Definitely interesting - hard to say for sure without knowing the ins and outs of all the contracts, but it does feel like instead of handing big money out they're giving players a great deal of security while they have a top-line team. Offsets the risks of giving out big deals but makes it harder to add to your team in that 3rd-6th year.

I think it's a smart move. They're clearly the best team in the comp at their best and have no real reason to slow down in the next 3ish years. If they can pull off a couple premierships with this group and aren't just backloading them all, they're going to be hard to stop for a long time.

They still haven't yet addressed what looks to be their main problem, which is figuring out who kicks all of their goals - besides Fritsch the cupboard is fairly bare. They can't rely on McDonald or Brown moving forward, and Jackson looks more likely to be going than staying.

Maybe the multiple long terms deals free up cap space to be a little more aggressive in plugging that hole but they must be getting tight regardless. Brayshaw's been fine for the last couple of years but another big head knock or two and they could be in strife quickly.

In saying that, I don't mind the risk. There's definitely a go hard or go home element to it.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Few on here acting like if Bont sits next to him he will get a super Covid and die on the spot

If that did happen where would we put the statue to The Bont? Most sporting statues seem to get put at the MCG but the Bont has played more games at Marvel so i think that would be the best spot. Near one of the bigger gates. It should be The bont in an iconic pose (like the EJ kicking style at the roundabout) so maybe the Bont with his arms outstretched turnng to the crowd after kicking a goal. The sooner we get this agreed the sooner the statue can go up.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

They still haven't yet addressed what looks to be their main problem, which is figuring out who kicks all of their goals - besides Fritsch the cupboard is fairly bare. They can't rely on McDonald or Brown moving forward, and Jackson looks more likely to be going than staying.

Maybe the multiple long terms deals free up cap space to be a little more aggressive in plugging that hole but they must be getting tight regardless. Brayshaw's been fine for the last couple of years but another big head knock or two and they could be in strife quickly.

In saying that, I don't mind the risk. There's definitely a go hard or go home element to it.

It's a good point. Kozi and Fritsch are/can be top 20 goal kickers but they do need taller options around them.

You'd think if Jackson goes they will be getting some pretty incredible assets back that they'll probably use in that area of the ground. Interesting to see what happens.

 

[Dogsman16]

I've mentioned a couple of times about our need for a medium defender.

Darcy Gardiner

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Darcy Gardiner

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30

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192cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Fwd

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12.6

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.1

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

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2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

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2.1

3star

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0.0

1star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

still not signed up for next year and is a victorian.

Hasn't been great this year but he's had some pretty significant injuries. Kind of player you don't like as an opposition fan but you like him on your team. Always flies the flag.

 

[Dazb86]

Something to consider about recruiting Jones is the effect on the players and officials at the club. How comfortable would they feel about getting on planes, buses and sharing change rooms and hotel rooms with an unvaccinated team mate? If one person can act on conscience or belief not to be vaccinated then others can have the same reasons plus the added issue of medical science not to associate with that person.

The vaccine never stopped the spread. Jones has just put his own health more at risk. Should be no issue.

 

[Dogsman16]

It's a good point. Kozi and Fritsch are/can be top 20 goal kickers but they do need taller options around them.

You'd think if Jackson goes they will be getting some pretty incredible assets back that they'll probably use in that area of the ground. Interesting to see what happens.

Lobb to Melbourne makes all the sense in the world.

Freo shooting themselves in the foot here. Jackson is much more suited to more ruck minutes than as a forward. Sean Darcy isn't losing the number 1 ruck role.

Jackson is much more suited to the eagles, with Nic Nat being near the end. Not that the eagles will spend all this draft capital at the commencement of a rebuild.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Lobb to Melbourne makes all the sense in the world.

Freo shooting themselves in the foot here. Jackson is much more suited to more ruck minutes than as a forward. Sean Darcy isn't losing the number 1 ruck role.

Jackson is much more suited to the eagles, with Nic Nat being near the end. Not that the eagles will spend all this draft capital at the commencement of a rebuild.

Sean Darcy is an RFA at the end of 2024, same time as Timmy. If Jackson goes to Freo that will eliminate them from any English sweepstakes.

 

[True Dog]

Lobb to Melbourne makes all the sense in the world.

Freo shooting themselves in the foot here. Jackson is much more suited to more ruck minutes than as a forward. Sean Darcy isn't losing the number 1 ruck role.

Jackson is much more suited to the eagles, with Nic Nat being near the end. Not that the eagles will spend all this draft capital at the commencement of a rebuild.

WCE might know they've got English for free in 2 years and will use the next 24 months elsewhere?

 

[Dazb86]

Dunkley/Smith are key signings IMO. They're best 22 for the next 5+ years or so unless they have a catastrophic injury.

JJ and Hunter aren't as important in the short/long term. Already on the outter of the 22 and Hunter has been a liability the last couple years TBH. Mental health or not you can't expect to show up for half a year at work and think it's fine. Happy for JJ to check out his options. Been a good servant but his form doesn't match his current price tag.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Lobb to Melbourne makes all the sense in the world.

Freo shooting themselves in the foot here. Jackson is much more suited to more ruck minutes than as a forward. Sean Darcy isn't losing the number 1 ruck role.

Jackson is much more suited to the eagles, with Nic Nat being near the end. Not that the eagles will spend all this draft capital at the commencement of a rebuild.

The whole Jackson situation feels a bit weird tbh. Just the vibe of it. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns into a Buddy situation and he ends up somewhere nobody expected him to.

 

[Dogsman16]

Sean Darcy is an RFA at the end of 2024, same time as Timmy. If Jackson goes to Freo that will eliminate them from any English sweepstakes.

WCE the problem regarding English. Nic Nat will be gone without any real other main ruck option.

I'm not worried about Freo.

 

[Foxman98]

The whole Jackson situation feels a bit weird tbh. Just the vibe of it. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns into a Buddy situation and he ends up somewhere nobody expected him to.

Personally can't see why clubs are so into him. He will never be a #1 ruck and is a shite forward why pay a shiteload for that?

 

[Dogsman16]

The whole Jackson situation feels a bit weird tbh. Just the vibe of it. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns into a Buddy situation and he ends up somewhere nobody expected him to.

It's a head scratcher thats for sure. Jackson is far more suited to the main ruck role. If anything stylistically he is in the mould of NicNat with good athleticism, link up play.

His marking numbers are actually pretty poor. Especially for a player who isn't getting banged up by the main ruck every week.

 

[fred cook]

The vaccine never stopped the spread. Jones has just put his health more at risk. Should be no issue.

40 percent of people with Covid currently in ICU wards in Victoria are not vaccinated putting Hospitals under pressure and Doctors and nurses under pressure

 

[yebiga]

According to Perth radio - Bulldogs have offered Liam Jones

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Liam Jones

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34

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

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Def

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9.4

2star

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6.5

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HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

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6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

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MG

116.3

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D

9.4

3star

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7.4

3star

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2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

a 3 year deal

 

[dergert]

According to Perth radio - Bulldogs have offered Liam Jones a 3 year deal

Wow....

 

[Foxman98]

According to Perth radio - Bulldogs have offered Liam Jones a 3 year deal

It'll be on pretty much fk all money

 

[dergert]

I've changed my stance on Dunkley a few times over the year. In the first half I was of the opinion that we let him go due to his poor disposal and Beveridge playing him inside 50.

Since he's added more midfield minutes, I've again changed my tune. We need his pressure around the ball. Plus he has cleaned up his disposal.

 

[True Dog]

According to Perth radio - Bulldogs have offered Liam Jones a 3 year deal

Someone remind me how old is he again?

 

[VitalDread]

Someone remind me how old is he again?

31 atm will be 32 in Feb

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

It's a head scratcher thats for sure. Jackson is far more suited to the main ruck role. If anything stylistically he is in the mould of NicNat with good athleticism, link up play.

His marking numbers are actually pretty poor. Especially for a player who isn't getting banged up by the main ruck every week.

To be honest, and this applies to the Lobb situation as well, I think people have a distorted view of what second rucks are/should be capable of.

There aren't really many good ones in the league. It's really bloody hard to compete as a forward and then rest (!!!) in the ruck. A mid resting forward can get away with occasionally lacking influence, but a second ruck can't quite as much. Not many teams play with a true second ruck because there just aren't many good ones - very few are a neutral presence both forward and in the ruck, and you can count the amount that can give positive minutes in both positions on one hand.

Lobb is the best in the league at it this year, almost undoubtedly. Jackson is not far behind and is 20 years old. He is presently a bit overrated but he will be very, very good as both a lead and secondary ruckman.