Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Charlie Bucket]

What’s with our obsession with moving players from there most effective role?

Daniel, English, now Dale

 

[grassman75]

Have also updated my avatar to save anymore confusion

Right, so we've outed Edmund, now to find Stevens, Purple and Dodo....

 

[bobs head soup]

Him and Baz for me should be our starting wings. He often costs us a goal or 2 a game trying to pull off a kick that isn't there hopefully hurts us less higher up the ground

Yeah. To me a common sense structure would be Dale as a specialist winger and a mixture of Baz, Treloar and Macrae rotating through the middle and the other wing

 

[bobs head soup]

What’s with our obsession with moving players from there most effective role?

Daniel, English, now Dale

I remember the horror when Dale was from the forward line to the back line.in a preseason match. So many said that had zero chance of success.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

I remember the horror when Dale was from the forward line to the back line.in a preseason match. So many said that had zero chance of success.

You’re preaching to the wrong person Bob. I was all for it.

We also need to remember Dale was almost on the cutting room floor after not making much ground in his time in the fwd half. Not comparable to Dale and Daniels AA positioning down back and English’s potential as the best ruck in the comp.

 

[grassman75]

Your post is spot on, I didn’t word my post appropriately and I accept it looks like I am back stepping here but what I meant to say is that for the majority of the last 18 years you can attribute culture to the success of Geelong and Sydney as a collective. Geelong have been culturally sound for 10-11 years now and have made 3 grand finals in that time (for two premierships). Clearly there were issues prior to that, but even in the 07-10 years there are stories that you hear of leaders within the club giving guys like Stevie J ultimatums. I agree with Mike regarding a lack of leadership but that’s all part of good culture imo. Since the early days of Chris Scott’s coaching time they’ve just been impeccably ran.

Sydney have been fantastically ran for pretty much the full 18 years now. They’ve also found themselves removing diseases from their club (Barry Hall being a big one). I suspect they’d have some skeletons in the closet and being in Sydney probably doesn’t shine a light on it as much as being a Victorian club may, but they’re as close to being the most well ran club in the league.

Could you then argue that we've been "culturally sound" for the last 7 years for two Grand Final appearances and 1 flag? Still got 3-4 years to equal Geelong's period of cultural awareness and we are only on GF and Flag behind them....

 

[Foxman98]

I remember the horror when Dale was from the forward line to the back line.in a preseason match. So many said that had zero chance of success.

Whats Mark Blicavs most effective role? KPD? Ruck? Tagging mid? Wing? Naughton just kicked 50 goals this season would we have that if we kept him down back where he came 3rd in our bnf?

 

[grassman75]

Seems like the most likely one is getting on the grog. Also sounds like Dunkley had a problem with him not being professional off the field which could tie into it.

So we are getting rid of him so more like Dunkley don't walk out the door?

 

[Foxman98]

You’re preaching to the wrong person Bob. I was all for it.

You also need to remember Dale was almost on the cutting room floor after not making much ground in his time in the fwd half. Not comparable to Dale and Daniels AA positioning down back and English’s potential as the best ruck in the comp.

Rory Laird was an AA HB/BP and was stiff not to be an AA midfielder this year moving players around who have performed in a position isn't the end of the world when the overall gain increases I.e Dale wing Richards HB is better than Scott wing Dale HB

 

[Dog 36]

What’s with our obsession with moving players from there most effective role?

Daniel, English, now Dale

Maybe the "role" they play is the problem.

 

[dergert]

SOS reckons Hunter's value is a late first round selection..... HAHAHAHA where do we sign?

 

[Ash1337]

What’s with our obsession with moving players from there most effective role?

Daniel, English, now Dale

English has always played ruck.
Dale's move back was a good 1.
Daniel was moved back to fill a deficiency in poor kicking out of defense that was a hole that needed to be fix when Bob Murphy and Matty Boyd retired.

 

[hutchy31]

He is very experienced but I’m still slightly concerned that he hasn’t really been involved with any highly successful programs.

In his 13 seasons as a coach, he hasn’t been apart of one side that finished top 4 during that tenure.

He'll fit in well at the dogs then.

Still, many of us have been asking for some experienced voices in the coaching setup, so if it does happen here's hoping he can be that - and challenge the senior coach/MC etc.

 

[Bald]

Could you then argue that we've been "culturally sound" for the last 7 years for two Grand Final appearances and 1 flag? Still got 3-4 years to equal Geelong's period of cultural awareness and we are only on GF and Flag behind them...

If the only metric of culture is on field then sure, but even then there’s a fair degree of difference between what we’ve been able to do when not making the grand final and what Geelong and Sydney have done. There’s nothing wrong with wanting more out of your football club, I don’t think hoping for a better culture is a bad thing and there’s enough examples of things that have gone wrong over the last 7 years to suggest it isn’t exactly a well oiled machine.

Anyway. You’re welcome to your views. Cbf talking anymore about it.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Rory Laird was an AA HB/BP and was stiff not to be an AA midfielder this year moving players around who have performed in a position isn't the end of the world when the overall gain increases I.e Dale wing Richards HB is better than Scott wing Dale HB

Our back half would be considerably weaker losing Dales ball use out of the back 50. We already lack there besides our 3 half backers.

Each to their own, I think it’s lunacy. I also find it funny coming from a supporter base that regularly complains that the coaches make too many changes to the magnet board.

 

[Ash1337]

Wouldn't be the worst but would need the Eagles to pay a big chunk of his contract

They'll do it if helps them get a player in.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Maybe the "role" they play is the problem.

You’re suggesting Dale and Daniel in the backline was a mistake? You won’t find anyone within clubland with the same opinion. Have been genius moves that have paid off greatly.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

English has always played ruck.
Dale's move back was a good 1.
Daniel was moved back to fill a deficiency in poor kicking out of defense that was a hole that needed to be fix when Bob Murphy and Matty Boyd retired.

Daniels skill set is perfectly suited to the quarterback role. Also having the freedom of less accountability and no direct opponent meant he could play it as well as he has.

 

[LordC]

I think the recruitment is still pretty good. We just seem to have more project players under the new management rather than ready mades.

At this stage I’d really only call Cavarra and Buttler busts from the national.

Also it’s hard to put the Footscray players on the recruiter as it looks like there is some internal pressure to pick players within the program as a strategy to make our vfl team look as desirable as possible to attract mature age talent. I don’t like some of the players we have picked up but I am behind the idea.

Complete disagree on sacrificing the AFL team recruitment for a minimal gain in the VFL.

We are hardly see large numbers of potentially untapped AFL standard players banging down our door. The ones we have recruited to the AFL are widely considered list cloggers. Any potential draftees we do have running around in the VFL we have no dibs on and if they are any good, more likely to be picked up elsewhere (Hannan, Long) I rather see VFL focussed more on complimenting the AFL side driven by our recruitment team, for example we should not be bothering to find and KPF for the VFL but almost have an excess in our AFL weaknesses (KPB, Ruck, small FWD). That way when our senior do play at the lower level they are likely to play in their position that naturally suits them or desired development.


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[VitalDread]

Surely Pick 10 for Lachie Hunter
SOS still runs Blues yeah?

 

[Foxman98]

Our back half would be considerably weaker losing Dales ball use out of the back 50. We already lack there besides our 3 half backers.

Each to their own, I think it’s lunacy. I also find it funny coming from a supporter base that regularly complains that the coaches make too many changes to the magnet board.

You like me have been very vocal about how poor our ball use inside 50 has been having Dale on a wing opens that up much more and also gives us some genuine speed and a marking target, he is also then less likely tagged. Richards/Daniel can still give us the ball movement outside d50 and we are also getting Jones and potentially Tomlinson who are also much more effective ball movers then our current talls

 

[Mr. Walker]

Rendell is possibly the biggest idiot I’ve come across.

I just saw how many likes your post got. I was going to post that I like Rendell’s work but now I am getting horrible flashbacks to the reaction of my classmates in high school when I said Hanson was my favourite pop group.

 

[grassman75]

Daniels skill set is perfectly suited to the quarterback role. Also having the freedom of less accountability and no direct opponent meant he could play it as well as he has.

There is no such position as Quarterback in Aussie Rules...

 

[Dog 36]

You’re suggesting Dale and Daniel in the backline was a mistake? You won’t find anyone within clubland with the same opinion. Have been genius moves that have paid off greatly.

No ( I think they have been good moves) but what I am suggesting is, Is their role best for the team overall?

Dale on a wing and say Williams on the HBF may see a net gain to the team and a net loss to Dale.

This is not a Naughton back or forward debate but as an example if Naughton plays back he may enable the defence to save 30 goals plus and by playing a different forward line may result we miss Naughton's 50 goals but the forward line without him kicks 30 so there is a net gain.

Is English role best for English as we have him on the list or would a different type of Ruck say a good tap and big bodied who throws his weight around be better for our midfield.

Don't think we have sorted roles well for the betterment of the team

 

[Dogs Rule]

SOS reckons Hunter's value is a late first round selection..... HAHAHAHA where do we sign?