Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Cerberus_]

You'd think he'd have played 20 games an average 25 touches and a goal a game not played 2 average 10 touches and kick 1 goal total

Nothing to do with that. Nor because "he gets better the longer he doesn't play"

Maybe some here actually have an alternative opinion and feel he has some potential and talent to work with? Thats not pumping him up or talking him like the messiah.

The club has a long history of keeping downright ordinary players on the list for years, who have reached their ceiling. Or players have been given 5 or 6 or 10 games in a row, and done sweet nothing before they are finally dropped. Bedendo showed some decent signs in his two games last year, which unfortunately happened to be two away games to two top 4 teams. He did some nice things, and loved his goal. But unfortunately he didn't get a run at it, like plenty who have done worse than him did. His issue isn't the lack of talent, he has just been unfortunate with injuries this year.

Maybe some here are just wanting the club to not throw away a player that they feel still has growth in them and an unknown ceiling and rather see him get a proper run at it if he can keep healthy. I'd rather we cut those who have been on the list for years and been giving countless chances and have not grown much if at all. The club is very inconsistent with differing rules for different players. Some get kissed on the D with getting 10 games of nothing, where another would get one or two etc.

If he has to make room, then so be it. If the club feels he has no growth left fine. But don't cut purely because of injury when we pretty much have carried players like Rourke though 100 injuries. But if he goes, and someone like McComb whom has already hit his ceiling stays on the list, then of course I'd raise an eyebrow to that.

 

[Bulldogs85]

It’s throwing him into the open draft where yes someone else can take him before our rookie pick plus also as Mojo pointed out it means he becomes a free agent every single time he’s out of contract.

Considering there’s about 15 blokes we could delist before him unless we’re planning on turning over 12+ list spots it would be a s**t decision

The kid has played only 2 games of AFL football wrong time to be injured and out of contract. I like Bedendo but potential can take you so far

 

[Unorth]

Nothing to do with that. Nor because "he gets better the longer he doesn't play"

Maybe some here actually have an alternative opinion and feel he has some potential and talent to work with? Thats not pumping him up or talking him like the messiah.

The club has a long history of keeping downright ordinary players on the list for years, who have reached their ceiling. Or players have been given 5 or 6 games and done sweet nothing before they are finally dropped. Bedendo showed some signs in his two games last year, which unfortunately happened to be two away games to two top 4 teams. He did some really nice things, and loved his goal. But unfortunately he didn't get a run at it, like plenty who have done worse did. His issue isn't the lack of talent, he has just been unfortunate with injuries.

Maybe some here are just wanting the club to not throw away a player that they feel still has growth in them and an unknown ceiling. I'd rather we cut those who have been on the list for years and been giving countless chances and have not grown much if at all.

If he has to make room, then so be it. But if he goes, and McComb stays, then one would question the clubs sanity.

I would be questioning the clubs sanity in any situation involving McComb staying, honestly.

 

[Foxman98]

Nothing to do with that. Nor because "he gets better the longer he doesn't play"

Maybe some here actually have an alternative opinion and feel he has some potential and talent to work with? Thats not pumping him up or talking him like the messiah.

The club has a long history of keeping downright ordinary players on the list for years, who have reached their ceiling. Or players have been given 5 or 6 games and done sweet nothing before they are finally dropped. Bedendo showed some signs in his two games last year, which unfortunately happened to be two away games to two top 4 teams. He did some really nice things, and loved his goal. But unfortunately he didn't get a run at it, like plenty who have done worse did. His issue isn't the lack of talent, he has just been unfortunate with injuries.

Maybe some here are just wanting the club to not throw away a player that they feel still has growth in them and an unknown ceiling. I'd rather we cut those who have been on the list for years and been giving countless chances and have not grown much if at all.

If he has to make room, then so be it. But if he goes, and McComb stays, then one would question the clubs sanity.

He has talent and potential 100% however it is useless if he is always injured,

Look at Anthony Morabito back in the day one of the most talented kids to come through in a while yet played 3 games in 3/4 years after he debuted sometimes like we did with Fergus you just need to pull the pin on these perennially injured blokes

 

[Mofra]

The Roarke Smith Rule

Smith has shown 100 times what Bedendo has. Was probably in our top 5 players in the 21 GF

 

[Bulldogs85]

He has talent and potential 100% however it is useless if he is always injured,

Look at Anthony Morabito back in the day one of the most talented kids to come through in a while yet played 3 games in 3/4 years after he debuted sometimes like we did with Fergus you just need to pull the pin on these perennially injured blokes

Shame that injuries ruined Anthony Morabito career

 

[Unorth]

Cutting Roarke and rookie listing Bedendo would be reasonable list management.

Bedendo has potential but that’s based on physical attributes. One really bad injury year, looked a really intriguing wing prospect, wouldn’t be writing him off, but wouldn’t be the first athletic project to not quite work out. Poulter may have changed things there too.

Roarke averages less games a year than Jong did. Been on the list since 2015. Definitely time to move on and use that list spot more productively.

 

[doggies ftw]

Bedendo has missed one season through injury, that’s literally it - not sure why people make out like he’s yet to step on a footy field. He was drafted at like 70kgs as a project player, he’s far ahead of where he should be with his performances at VFL level. He’s 20yo ffs no ones making out that he’s a star just he clearly has enough talent to stay on a list that is completely devoid of young talent outside of the best 22 and just gave 2 year contracts to VDM & Scott.

 

[LovevShaqBB13]

Dom was flying in pre season. Still only 20/21. Do not delist.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Bedendo has missed one season through injury, that’s literally it - not sure why people make out like he’s yet to step on a footy field. He was drafted at like 70kgs as a project player, he’s far ahead of where he should be with his performances at VFL level. He’s 20yo ffs no ones making out that he’s a star just he clearly has enough talent to stay on a list that is completely devoid of young talent outside of the best 22 and just gave 2 year contracts to VDM & Scott.

He has talent and potential 100% however it is useless if he is always injured,

Look at Anthony Morabito back in the day one of the most talented kids to come through in a while yet played 3 games in 3/4 years after he debuted sometimes like we did with Fergus you just need to pull the pin on these perennially injured blokes

He broke his wrist early in the year, that is a s**t happens injury, and now a groin. Some are making it sound like he has regular soft tissue injuries, or repeats of the same injury for two or three years straight. He played most of last year, broken wrist early this year and then groin. If he kept doing his groin across two whole years, then you can probably say he is an injury prone player. But one groin injury? Treloar, JJ and Vanders are probably closer to the definition of injury prone, because they always do their hammys almost every year.

Morabito is incomparable, he was freakishly injury prone. He did his ACL, and for some players like Primus, once you do it once, you're highly likely to do it again. Think he did it three times or had regular issues with it? And multiple soft tissue injuries. Take out the ACLs, and he would have likely played a fair few games. Felt for the guy to be honest.

 

[Mofra]

Cutting Roarke and rookie listing Bedendo would be reasonable list management.

Bedendo has potential but that’s based on physical attributes. One really bad injury year, looked a really intriguing wing prospect, wouldn’t be writing him off, but wouldn’t be the first athletic project to not quite work out. Poulter may have changed things there too.

Roarke averages less games a year than Jong did. Been on the list since 2015. Definitely time to move on and use that list spot more productively.

Roarke has done two ACLs which skew the averages a fair bit.

Since signing both Baker & Poulter, and potentially signing Williams, we may not have list spots for either Roarke or Dom.

 

[Mojorisin]

Roarke has done two ACLs which skew the averages a fair bit.

Since signing both Baker & Poulter, and potentially signing Williams, we may not have list spots for either Roarke or Dom.

I'd imagine roarke and McComb are moving on and Bedendo will take one of those rookie spots.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Roarke has done two ACLs which skew the averages a fair bit.

Since signing both Baker & Poulter, and potentially signing Williams, we may not have list spots for either Roarke or Dom.

Isn’t Poulter on a 6 month contract most likely will get another one anyway.

 

[Mofra]

I'd imagine roarke and McComb are moving on and Bedendo will take one of those rookie spots.

Perhaps we re-rookie Bedendo, but I'd seriously keep Roarke ahead of him.

 

[Mojorisin]

Isn’t Poulter on a 6 month contract most likely will get another one anyway.

Yes only a 6 month contract but is in the process of working on a new one.

 

[Mofra]

Isn’t Poulter on a 6 month contract most likely will get another one anyway.

Reported we've already offered a deal to him. Not surprised given he's actually playing decent senior footy for us

 

[_Cerberus_]

Anyone know if JOD will be promoted to main list, or is he staying Cat B? I'm assuming CAT B players get paid a similar base wage to your standard rookies?

 

[Bulldogs85]

Yes only a 6 month contract but is in the process of working on a new one.

Just a one year contract or a multi-year contract

 

[Mojorisin]

Just a one year contract or a multi-year contract

Looks like it'll be one or two

 

[Bulldogs85]

Reported we've already offered a deal to him. Not surprised given he's actually playing decent senior footy for us

Were was this reported I missed it

 

[doggiesin08]

It’s a month before the end of the home and away season. If clubs haven't decided if they want to keep a player a month before season end, that is on the club. I think August is pretty reasonable in all honesty.

Sure but it can have a big impact on that assistants motivation and performance for the last week of the season and finals.

Waiting until the end of the season still gives plenty of time for movement of assistants before pre-seasons start. If an assistant is coming out of contract then they’re more than capable of shopping themselves to see what else is available before that, but not sure why the clubs need to give early notice.

Imagine how stupid it would be to have to make your player delistings in August. Not sure why that logic doesn’t extend to critical off field staff.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Wouldn't be shocked if Dom is delisted and rookie drafted

I know Dogs are going have another crack at a Cat B player in the off season wither its a player from a cricket background or another team NGA player

Wonder what odds Todd Murphy is for the Rising Star in 2024...?!

 

[Mojorisin]

Wonder what odds Todd Murphy is for the Rising Star in 2024...?!

Will Sutherland would be wonderful.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Bedendo is the biggest myth on this board.
The longer he's injured, the better he gets

I haven't seen anyone saying Bedendo is a star. What he is, though, is a super athletic young player who was developing at a rapid rate. In a couple years he went from raw VFL prospect who could barely touch the footy to a wing who built up to a few 20+ disposal, seriously impactful games, which culminated in two AFL games where he was not out of place. Since then he has had a wretched run with injuries that were not previously a factor. He's only played a few VFL games here and there since then. We know from track and coach reports that he was absolutely flying this preseason, similar to Arty.

I don’t know if he makes it, and we haven't seen close to a finished product, but I think your argument here is a strawman. The argument to keep him is that he has a number of attributes that the team needs, and was on a sharp development path. You don't simply give up on players like that after an 18 month sequence of injuries.

Roarke is a whole other kettle of fish. He's an AFL standard player who has proven over NINE years that he cannot get on the park.

 

[Dog 36]

He has talent and potential 100% however it is useless if he is always injured,

Look at Anthony Morabito back in the day one of the most talented kids to come through in a while yet played 3 games in 3/4 years after he debuted sometimes like we did with Fergus you just need to pull the pin on these perennially injured blokes

Difficult to say he is always injured. I would say the medical staff would assess whether these injuries can be overcome.

How long do you give young Darcy before you say he is useless as he is always injured?

Sometimes need to ride it out and back the medical staff advice on the injuries.

May be Dom and Darcy as they are growing these injuries are impacting them now but later as they get the work in they will be okay.

Dom has talent we agree on that