Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Sentinel]

I don't really agree with that comparison. From memory, we offered Young a one-year deal, but he was very close to delist territory. We've had a two-year deal in front of Sweet for months. Our desire to hold Sweet is much higher than it was for Young. Also, Port are presumably looking at Sweet to be their #1 ruck next year, whereas Young was brought in as a speculative defensive option. Port's desire to bring Sweet in is a lot higher than Carlton's desire for Young was. With that said, I don't think Sweet is worth more than a 2nd or 3rd round pick, but I don't think we'll let him go for a token steak knife either.

Sweet will go for a late pick or swap of late picks. It'll be no fuss. Neither club is going to be interested in haggling over a player like him.

 

[Dog 36]

Sweet was gone from early on in the year.

The contract was more to give Sweet some certainty that should he change his mind or the club he was going to changed anything he had something to fall back on.

 

[Mojorisin]

Sweet was gone from early on in the year.

The contract was more to give Sweet some certainty that should he change his mind or the club he was going to changed anything he had something to fall back on.

Port prioritised Grundy until they couldn't come close to Melbourne's opening asking price.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Port should pay according to what he’s worth to them, not to us.

They’re after a number 1 ruck, they should pay accordingly.

 

[Dog 36]

Port prioritised Grundy until they couldn't come close to Melbourne's opening asking price.

Regardless I’m certain Sweet was not going to be at Dogs beyond this year

 

[hatescaptcha]

If port need to move a player - I would love Josh Sinn

Would also not say no to Duursma.


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[doggie dog]

I also wouldn’t be doing it

It would all depend on our salary cap and what Smithy expects to get on his next contract.
If our salary cap is tight and Smithy expects 1million i would happily drive him to Geelong if we get another 1st round pick. After his 23 season i wouldn't offer more than 650k.

 

[Ash1337]

Looks like we need a backup ruckman now too

I'm back on the Sam Day train now UFA but he's a FWD/Ruck. At least if Lobb goes down He'd slot straight in.

 

[doggie dog]

Still can't understand giving Hunter away. Has played consistently well for Melbourne this year and we gave him away for nothing. Yes there were some off field stuff but we have really missed his work.

I suspect his off field behavior combined with his purported salary approx 700k was the clincher for offloading him for peanuts.
For 700-800k i want someone who's a AA or near AA.

 

[doggiesin08]

Lohmann has a higher ceiling than Anthony Scott who is currently playing the same position.

Lohmann has barely been given a chance to settle in Brisbane's forward line. I am not reading a lot into his AFL stats.

He made the VFL team of the year this year and has kicked massive bags at the level in his 3rd year.

Let's give him a go.

Only his 2nd year (sorry of already corrected).

 

[doggies ftw]

Only his 2nd year (sorry of already corrected).

Would be a fair chunk of resources spent on small forwards in recent years though in Weightman, Clarke & potentially Watson & Lohman - Is their room for them all?

 

[doggiesin08]

If there's one thing I'm against for next year it's using 3 tall defenders. Especially if one of them is Keath/Gardner

JJ in that spot immediately improves the group so much

What teams have 3 threatening talls? let the resting ruck kick one goal a game as they get burnt in transition

100% agree with this. The third “tall” if we play one cannot be a liability by foot so needs to be Darcy / Buss it a genuine tall or Williams / Khamis if happy slightly undersized.

Give me the risk of a big bag from Peter Wright if Jones goes down injured during the game versus having to watch Keath and Gardy kick laterally to each other.

 

[Freshwater]

Port should pay according to what he’s worth to them, not to us.

They’re after a number 1 ruck, they should pay accordingly.

We valued him that highly we didn’t give him one game in a year we were horrible. Even when 2nd ruck Rory Lobb was dropped we still didn’t find a place for him. We have next to no bargaining rights with Sweet. Good luck to him, hope he goes alright and has a good AFL career.

 

[Philthy1]

I suspect his off field behavior combined with his purported salary approx 700k was the clincher for offloading him for peanuts.
For 700-800k i want someone who's a AA or near AA.

and his output had started to decline. It has recovered slightly this year, but still off his best years in 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

 

[doggie dog]

I like Watson and love McKercher for us, but any trade involving three firsts is way overs. That’s an established gun type of price. 10 & 17 at absolute most. And that’s partly only because 17 is expendable thanks to Croft.

We would struggle to get 3 1st for Smithy. 3 1st for an unproven rookie i s f@$ken nuts.

 

[doggies ftw]

100% agree with this. The third “tall” if we play one cannot be a liability by foot so needs to be Darcy / Buss it a genuine tall or Williams / Khamis if happy slightly undersized.

Give me the risk of a big bag from Peter Wright if Jones goes down injured during the game versus having to watch Keath and Gardy kick laterally to each other.

The thing that worries me is there just seems like genuinely no flipping idea from the coaches as to how they want to structure the backline? We’ve been notoriously undersized down there in previous years, then we bring in the best full back we’ve had in years and decide to do a 180 and partner him with 2 of the most lumbering key defenders in the league.

What’s the actual goal here? What are we trying to do and what will we try to do next year? Do we have any idea or are we just throwing darts at a dart board & hoping for the best.

 

[Mojorisin]

Regardless I’m certain Sweet was not going to be at Dogs beyond this year

Agree totally. Unless English left there was no chance of Sweet staying.

 

[adogsfan5]

Essendon chasing Gresham and Lohmann. When will they learn?

 

[doggiesin08]

Would be a fair chunk of resources spent on small forwards in recent years though in Weightman, Clarke & potentially Watson & Lohman - Is their room for them all?

I wouldn’t be offering much, he’s out of contract and **** Brisbane. If they don’t have to pony up for our B&F then we don’t have to pony up for a player they’re not selecting. Future 3rd or PSD … offer him 1 year at $500k next year to dissuade others and then immediate extension to blend down as soon as he’s through the doors.

 

[adogsfan5]

One of mckercher/durrsma
Croft
Coffield
A cheap defender

And I’d be pretty content!

 

[TedDougChris]

Do we have any idea or are we just throwing darts at a dart board & hoping for the best.

 

[TedDougChris]

Port should pay according to what he’s worth to them, not to us.

They’re after a number 1 ruck, they should pay accordingly.

3 first rounders, or 2 and Butters ?? Am I doing off-season trades right ???

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Right decision by Sweet. I’m not sure he is good enough to be the first choice ruck at AFL level but needs to give himself a chance and he should get opportunities at Port, that fairly or unfairly he was not going to get here. He has shown he is a level above VFL level.

I don’t think we’ll get much for him. These are the back up ruck trades from the last 5 or so seasons.

2022 - Lloyd Meek for future fourth
2021 - Darcy Fort

32

Darcy Fort

Age

32

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

CL

2.9

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

CL

3.6

4star

HO

21.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

15.6

5star

and pick 41 for pick 50 and future third
2021 - Max Lynch, a future third and a future fourth for two future thirds
2020 - Braydon Preuss

11

Braydon Preuss

Age

30

Ht

207cm

Wt

118kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

6.1

2star

HB

3.1

3star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

20.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

26.2

5star

for pick 31
2019 - Billy Frampton

17

Billy Frampton

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

0.7

3star

MG

99.0

2star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

99.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

107.0

2star

for future fourth
2019 - Zac Smith

32

Zac Smith

Age

35

Ht

206cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

7.1

4star

CL

3.0

4star

HO

21.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

13.6

5star

for pick 58
2019 - Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

30

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

and pick 62 for pick 56
2019 - Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

29

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

and pick 61 for pick 54 and pick 63
2019 - Andrew Phillips, pick 61 and pick 72 for pick 57 and 70

Preuss is the only outlier, the others are essentially pick up grades or third/fourth rounders.

 

[doggies ftw]

If we could be reasonably confident we could get Wilson at 10 before a Croft bid, I’d be keen on trying to turn 17 & Sweet into Lohman & Duursma - being a haul of Wilson/Duursma/Lohman to sure up half forward/wing with a bit of talent over just Watson.

Realistically by half way through next year you could be looking at a front half of:

Cody Marra Lobb
West Naughty Clarke/Lohmann
Wilson Bont Duursma

Looks alright, fair bit more speed & skill then we have currently with the McNeil/Scott/Baker/Poulters of the list gap filling at HF/Wing

If we thought we’ll get McKercher at 4 though I’d rather that option still.

 

[bresker]

We won't get anything for Sweet as it's the clubs that do the deals, not Big footy. Player managers and list managers generally want a decent, peaceful outcome where no-one gets stuffed around. If we wanted something for Sweet we should have played him occasionally.