Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[JTCWBFC]

Trading next years first is nuts given how we finished the year and the lack of apparent change coming.

Nothing to suggest we’ll improve.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Trading next years first is nuts given how we finished the year and the lack of apparent change coming.

Nothing to suggest we’ll improve.

Yes we had a bad year but I think we will improve it’s not all doom and gloom at the club lol

 

[doggies ftw]

FF: Weightman, JUH, Lobb
HF: Watson, Naughton, A.Jones
C: Poulter, Bont, Williams
HB: Dale, JOD, Richards
FB: Duryea, Jones, JJ
R: English, Bont, Treloar
Int: Smith, Macrae, Daniel, West

That line up has Daniel as the 7th defender, West as the 7th forward, and Smith and Macrae playing minutes as second midfiled rotations and the wing. Not ideal

Yeah that’s around the mark, honestly the bottom end looks a lot better there than some of the teams we were putting out this year.

I’d probably drop AJ (for round 1 anyway) for another defender, ie Cleary or a tall if required depending on match ups, And play CD as a utility where needed rather than designated 7th defender. I think there’s jusssst enough pressure & tackling in Cody, West & Watson as the smalls.

 

[fred cook]

Welcome back as I gather by the above comments you have been offline the last few weeks

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[doggies ftw]

Regarding trading 10,17 and a F1, I think people are forgetting that we’re essentially getting in two highly rated players this draft at the top end (pick 4 and Croft).

If we kept 10 and 17, wouldn’t we essentially be getting a player at 10 and then 17 gets wiped out for Croft anyway?

How vital is the F1 if we have a decent 2024? (Always risky I guess but we should be competing at the top!)

If we can nab a future second back instead of third, I’m all for it.

I agree in that 4 & Croft is much better than 10 & 17 considering the massive gulf between who we’ll get at 4 compared to 10. And Croft is probably better than whatever we can get at ~20 odd. But also we don’t have to trade with GC, so 17 isn’t worthless because it’s going on Croft, we could still use 10 & then trade 17 for an F1 etc and then take Croft. So just because we have to use it doesn’t mean it’s worthless and we should give it away if that makes sense

The F1 is super valuable, considering we’re really unknown - it would be a disaster to do a freo, if we were well coached and performing to the standard we should it would be less of a concern but too much of a risk when our coach is cooked and we’re sliding backwards rapidly.

First rounders are bloody valuable now the drafts are so compromised, can’t give em up for nothing or upgrades etc IMO. if it was F1 for their F2 I’d probably accept it and accept the risk and gamble on ourselves vs suns, but F3 is basically worthless so that would be wayyyy too much.

 

[ossie_21]

If GC want 10, 17 & F1 they can throw in Graham - that’s the only realistic way I consider it. He’d play round 1 and make me feel a lot more comfortable about our defence.

It’s a disgusting deal but only 10, 17 & F1 for 4 & Ballard would be acceptable

I’d rather just take the 3 first rounders to the draft than pay that highly for a top 5/6 pack

 

[Del203211]

I agree in that 4 & Croft is much better than 10 & 17 considering the massive gulf between who we’ll get at 4 compared to 10. And Croft is probably better than whatever we can get at ~20 odd.

The F1 is super valuable though, considering we’re really unknown - it would be a disaster to do a freo, if we were well coached and performing to the standard we should it would be less of a concern but too much of a risk when our coach is cooked and we’re sliding backwards rapidly.

First rounders are bloody valuable now the drafts are so compromised, can’t give em up for nothing or upgrades etc IMO. if it was F1 for their F2 I’d probably accept it and accept the risk and gamble on ourselves vs suns, but F3 is basically worthless so that would be wayyyy too much.

There won’t be a 17 though I don’t reckon. It’ll get eaten up with a Croft bid. And to truely screw us, what if a bid comes before 10?

Are we essentially spending a F1 to move from 10 to 4?

We’d need a F2 back.

 

[doggies ftw]

There won’t be a 17 though I don’t reckon. It’ll get eaten up with a Croft bid. And to truely screw us, what if a bid comes before 10?

Are we essentially spending a F1 to move from 10 to 4?

We’d need a F2 back.

I edited before you replied but yeah I get where you’re coming from but 17s not worthless just because it’s going on Croft we could still do other things with that pick like swap it for an F1 etc

So when weighing up the options I think it would look more like:

4 & Croft vs
10, Croft, F1, F1

Which is a fair bit different.

But yeah it comes down to where we think the Croft bid will come, we should have a pretty good idea of that so I don’t think we’d take 10 in if we thought it was even a remote chance of a bid coming prior - who knows maybe the club knows a bid is coming at ~8 and that’s why we’re so keen to move up, that would make a little more sense

 

[Bulldogs85]

I edited before you replied but yeah I get where you’re coming from but 17s not worthless just because it’s going on Croft we could still do other things with that pick like swap it for an F1 etc

So when weighing up the options I think it would look more like:

4 & Croft vs
10, Croft, F1, F1

Which is a fair bit different.

But yeah it comes down to where we think the Croft bid will come, we should have a pretty good idea of that so I don’t think we’d take 10 in if we thought it was even a remote chance of a bid coming prior - who knows maybe the club knows a bid is coming at ~8 and that’s why we’re so keen to move up, that would make a little more sense

Who would place a bid on Croft Richmond, Essendon they are the only two I can think of.

 

[Dale4captain]

Could push 17 into next year (maybe with a top 4 team or possibly with north for one of their futures) then try and swing 10, F1 and something small into pick 4.

Keeps us in the game next year regardless.

 

[doggies ftw]

Who would place a bid on Croft Richmond, Essendon they are the only two I can think of.

Hard to say, Essendon & Geelong could both use a key forward but I feel their picks are too early. Adelaide wouldn’t surprise me, they’ll be short a key forward after Tex and we know they like to bid and **** us if possible.

Other than that Saints possibly could at 12, I definitely don’t think he’s getting past Melb or North at 13 & 14 at the latest though if they keep those selections.

He’s a pretty hard one to rate, my concern would be Essendon & Adelaide if we kept pick 10

 

[doggies ftw]

Could push 17 into next year (maybe with a top 4 team or possibly with north for one of their futures) then try and swing 10, F1 and something small into pick 4.

Keeps us in the game next year regardless.

Yeah Power has to be smart here, we just don’t need to give into whatever they want on day one. No reason we can’t do what Brisbane did last year if they’re playing hard ball, wheel & deal our picks elsewhere first and then come back to GC - our picks will hold more value that can be extracted out of them from other clubs, individually, than just handing them to GC as a bundle and letting them on trade to extract the value

 

[flipper83]

One of the many baffling things about the proposed deal is that power was talking about how having really early bids to match and then only late picks has affected our depth.
Then we're going to trade 3 first rounders for one higher first rounder.
Just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[TedDougChris]

At least we know if it all goes pear shaped that we can get a raft of free picks from the AFL for our self inflicted injuries !!! Oh - hi there Lol Norf !!

 

[Sentinel]

Imagine being cooked in a trade with friggin Gold Coast of all clubs lmao

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

we cant trade all 3 first rounders and still match Croft anyway without something significant coming back.
We'd be left with picks 37 and 64 which would leave us 400-500 poitns shot of what we needed if Croft is bid on relatively high. We're not getting much in for the players who are leaving and we'd be locked out of trading any other futures with our first rounder gone

Luckily the rules are in place to make it pretty hard for us to make this ridiculous trade. I'd hope we would see the giant red flags before we made it

 

[Unorth]

I would rather not take Croft, use our draft picks as they are and keep our first rounder next year.

There is nothing at present to suggest we will be better in 2024 than we have been in 22 and 23. To sell the farm for pick 4 (6) would be negligence.

I think we could improve a lot next year. We have a high ceiling. We also have a very low floor, with a coach who is the master of extracting inconsistent performances out of his team.

The only way I would be comfortable trading a future first is if it would guarantee a player that makes us challenge for a flag next year - like Brisbane getting Dunkley.

Croft is so far from a need it isn’t funny, it would hurt but it’s silly to give up a future first to squeeze him and another first rounder in.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Geelong trade with Gold Coast:



We trade with Gold Coast:

Herald Sun reporting that out offer is:
10,17 & F1
For
4 & F3.

****ing fantastic

 

[doggies ftw]

Geelong trade with Gold Coast:



We trade with Gold Coast:


******* fantastic

God that shit had to be looked into didn’t it? GC trade 11 (+ steaknives!!! Which is almost the funniest part, GC are the ones who added a sweetener) for 27, and then a year later trade 27 back to Geelong for 52.

That’s literally the most ******ed shit I’ve ever seen, would almost be funny if they didn’t then give them pick 7 for nothing.

Like what the actual **** is going on there, and then a year later they absolutely bend us over. Honestly you can’t make this shit up

 

[dergert]

Brisbane supporters are pretty certain that Coffield is heading there. Has there been some news?

 

[Bulldogs85]

Brisbane supporters are pretty certain that Coffield is heading there. Has there been some news?

Apparently he doesn’t want to leave Victoria

 

[Sentinel]

God that s**t had to be looked into didn’t it? GC trade 11 (+ steaknives!!! Which is almost the funniest part, GC are the ones who added a sweetener) for 27, and then a year later trade 27 back to Geelong for 52.

That’s literally the most ******ed s**t I’ve ever seen, would almost be funny if they didn’t then give them pick 7 for nothing.

Like what the actual * is going on there, and then a year later they absolutely bend us over. Honestly you can’t make this s**t up

If you net those trades as though they were all made in the same year, the sum would be:

• Gold Coast in: pick 43 and 52
• Geelong in: pick 7, 11, Bowes and 64

At least if you also factor in the trade we're supposedly proposing Gold Coast finally end up about even.

 

[Bulldogs85]

If you net those trades as though they were all made in the same year, the sum would be:

• Gold Coast in: pick 43 and 52
• Geelong in: pick 7, 11, Bowes and 64

At least if you also factor in the trade we're supposedly proposing Gold Coast finally end up about even.

Wasn’t that Bowes trade a salary cap dump

 

[Del203211]

Brisbane supporters are pretty certain that Coffield is heading there. Has there been some news?

Saints offering a contract to him.

 

[hutchy31]

Marra in the longest kick contest, does he realise he’s forgotten how to kick 40m?

Might miss the Yarra completely.