Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[dogwatch]

But it's still a chance, right...?

(Not trying to be smart here dw, but by "history" do you mean accomplished players coming to us specifically?)

Correct.

How many elite players in their prime at another club have we targeted and landed?

I can think of maybe one ... Tom Boyd (and it's debatable he was in the "elite" category when we got him, but he was a #1 draft pick so on that basis I'm happy not to dispute it). You could also argue Boyd was a special case because of the post-MacCartney chaos but yes, we did land him.

Don't suggest any of the following, even though they were/are good acquisitions:

Barry Hall - well into his 30s
Akermanis - slightly damaged goods (d'head behaviour) and 30+
Adam Treloar - not even targeted, just fell into our lap, Bradburyesque
Josh Bruce (late career, not"elite")
Rory Lobb (in his 30s)
Matthew Kennedy (Carlton told him to "explore his options")

And a long list of useful gets like Suckling, Liam Jones, Crozier, Cloke, Crameri, Schache, Duryea, Hannan, Harmes, etc.

I'm talking about elite players in their prime (like 22-26 years old). Butters is 24.

I may have overlooked some acquisitions so I'm happy to be corrected, but as far as I can see when we talk about top 10 players at the club it's usually been traffic the other way. We are not bad at picking up "moneyball" type options but rarely, if ever, elite talent in their prime.

That said, I would be as overjoyed as anyone if we landed Butters. I just think it's improbable based on history.

 

[Foxman98]

Correct.

How many elite players in their prime at another club have we targeted and landed?

I can think of maybe one ... Tom Boyd (and it's debatable he was in the "elite" category when we got him, but he was a #1 draft pick so on that basis I'm happy not to dispute it). You could also argue Boyd was a special case because of the post-MacCartney chaos but yes, we did land him.

Don't suggest any of the following, even though they were/are good acquisitions:

Barry Hall - well into his 30s
Akermanis - slightly damaged goods (d'head behaviour) and 30+
Adam Treloar - not even targeted, just fell into our lap, Bradburyesque
Josh Bruce (late career, not"elite")
Rory Lobb (in his 30s)
Matthew Kennedy (Carlton told him to "explore his options")

And a long list of useful gets like Suckling, Liam Jones, Crozier, Cloke, Crameri, Schache, Duryea, Hannan, Harmes, etc.

I'm talking about elite players in their prime (like 22-26 years old). Butters is 24.

I may have overlooked some acquisitions so I'm happy to be corrected, but as far as I can see when we talk about top 10 players at the club it's usually been traffic the other way. We are not bad at picking up "moneyball" type options but rarely, if ever, elite talent in their prime.

That said, I would be as overjoyed as anyone if we landed Butters. I just think it's improbable based on history.

How many players of Butters caliber have gone in their prime?

 

[dogwatch]

How many players of Butters caliber have gone in their prime?

Yes, there's that as well. Perhaps I should lower it to a <1% chance?

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

How many players of Butters caliber have gone in their prime?

Does seem rare. Judd, Cameron, Dangerfield or probably the biggest trades in recent memory, all in their prime. Not too many more on Butters level

 

[Mofra]

Does seem rare. Judd, Cameron, Dangerfield or probably the biggest trades in recent memory, all in their prime. Not too many more on Butters level

Lachie Neale, or Buddy as a FA.
They are pretty rare though.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Yes, there's that as well. Perhaps I should lower it to a <1% chance?

 

[W W Biscuit]

I think you guys are forgetting the great Bill Cubbins who crossed from St Kilda to captain-coach the Dogs in 1931. According to The Argus, Cubbins was a humungous fish. Even Kane Cornes admitted it.

 

[JohnnySteel]

You’d think it helps that this is Hinkley last year with Port, considering they have been reported to be close.

 

[Testekill]

Hypothetically, if Butters were to nominate us, what would we looking at handing over?

It will clearly start at this years & next years first but if they are within the 12-15 range then it wouldn't be enough. If we landed another pick in the teens, would that be enough? I'd say market value is somewhere around pick 5 + pick 15.

It probably means Jamarra would be on the way out as a list rebalance to direct resources away from tall forwards into areas we need long term but whether we can get good value on that remains to be seen.

We'd be handing over two first rounders with one of them being top 10 or three if they're 10-20 with change coming back. Butters is an excellent player and we'd need to pay for it.

 

[maddog37]

I never thought I would see us win a flag so after that anything is possible.

Aude Vivere!

 

[VitalDread]

 

[RWnBluey]

Deleted

 

[MaxiBont]

What was it?

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

What was it?

A photo of Luke Sayers shaft.

 

[In Repair]

Deleted

What was this?

 

[maddog37]

A photo of Luke Sayers shaft.

 

[bobs head soup]

A photo of Luke Sayers shaft.

All I can see is a thin line, a dot and a not found message. As his reputation goes, seems about right.

 

[VitalDread]

What was it?

 

[MaxiBont]

Only 6 months till we get Butters

 

[Optimistic Dog]

A photo of Luke Sayers shaft.

Carlton season is mirroring Sayers both caught with pants down.

 

[Iamspock]

LEEESSSSSSSSSSGGGOOOOOOOO

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Ossie, you should send Zac this photo, show him how good those colours look on him, and if you could also photoshop Bont standing next to him, it it might get him over the line.

 

[maddog37]

Ossie, you should send Zac this photo, show him how good those colours look on him, and if you could also photoshop Bont standing next to him, it it might get him over the line.

Might get a few posters on here “over the line” too!!

 

[Westerndog11]

LEEESSSSSSSSSSGGGOOOOOOOO

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Looks like Vandermeers cousin with tats.

 

[Hobdog]

Ok, I need you all to sit down for this. I just had to go and check out a property for a friend and Google maps sent me there via Butters Drive.

 

[TiAn_]

Correct.

How many elite players in their prime at another club have we targeted and landed?

I can think of maybe one ... Tom Boyd (and it's debatable he was in the "elite" category when we got him, but he was a #1 draft pick so on that basis I'm happy not to dispute it). You could also argue Boyd was a special case because of the post-MacCartney chaos but yes, we did land him.

Don't suggest any of the following, even though they were/are good acquisitions:

Barry Hall - well into his 30s
Akermanis - slightly damaged goods (d'head behaviour) and 30+
Adam Treloar - not even targeted, just fell into our lap, Bradburyesque
Josh Bruce (late career, not"elite")
Rory Lobb (in his 30s)
Matthew Kennedy (Carlton told him to "explore his options")

And a long list of useful gets like Suckling, Liam Jones, Crozier, Cloke, Crameri, Schache, Duryea, Hannan, Harmes, etc.

I'm talking about elite players in their prime (like 22-26 years old). Butters is 24.

I may have overlooked some acquisitions so I'm happy to be corrected, but as far as I can see when we talk about top 10 players at the club it's usually been traffic the other way. We are not bad at picking up "moneyball" type options but rarely, if ever, elite talent in their prime.

That said, I would be as overjoyed as anyone if we landed Butters. I just think it's improbable based on history.

Anja_Nees no Steven Koops?