Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Dogs Rule]

Can we base ourselves from Darley Park for a year? Maybe that'll convince Zak...

 

[MaxiBont]

Apparently Saints gold ITK saying that Wilkie is staying.

If the ITK has club sources, not surprised that’s the info at this stage.

Few people in here saying differently, it’ll be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Apparently Saints gold ITK saying that Wilkie is staying.

If the ITK has club sources, not surprised that’s the info at this stage.

Few people in here saying differently, it’ll be interesting to see what happens.

To be honest, I wouldn't expect them to say any different.

 

[redmania]

Dangerfields dad is "allegedly" involved with Geelong recruiting wise....and does the school ring around to see if they're of good character etc.

 

[BrisDog]

Dangerfields dad is "allegedly" involved with Geelong recruiting wise....and does the school ring around to see if they're of good character etc.

But is Mr Dangerfield really worth his 500k per annum price tag for talking to kids?

Just asking questions fellas.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

For every Mannagh that Geelong select, we select a McNeil. And persist with them for five seasons. Should’ve cut a few loose last year.

I've posted about this a few times but I'm going to keep posting until Sam Power and/or Bevo acknowledge it

Mannagh, Miers and Close had 17, 20 and 21 pressure acts last night after 24, 23 and 21 in the QF. Our small forwards avergae 9 and 9.5 pressure acts a game

The most VDM had in any game this year was 15, McNeil had just three over 15 (20 being the highest)

 

[Libbaaaa]

I've posted about this a few times but I'm going to keep posting until Sam Power and/or Bevo acknowledge it

Mannagh, Miers and Close had 17, 20 and 21 pressure acts last night after 24, 23 and 21 in the QF. Our small forwards avergae 9 and 9.5 pressure acts a game

The most VDM had in any game this year was 15, McNeil had just three over 15 (20 being the highest)

Yeah but running patterns!

Also Mannagh and Miers are absolute elite ball users while Close is handy too. I keep saying it but our entire off seasons philosophy needs to be relentless pressure in all aspects of the game. You don’t bring pressure like your life depends on it you won’t play.

 

[iambrilliant]

Yeah but running patterns!

Also Mannagh and Miers are absolute elite ball users while Close is handy too. I keep saying it but our entire off seasons philosophy needs to be relentless pressure in all aspects of the game. You don’t bring pressure like your life depends on it you won’t play.

Mannagh is so damaging with the footy. Every possession hurts the other team

 

[Chalky White]

Ed Richards is the perfect example here started his career a little bit half back but mainly half forward and couldn't get more then 15 disposals until his 5th year Sanders is already 16.5 and 18.57 after 2 years

Year 1: 14.57 disposals (21 Games)
Year 2: 11.65 disposals (20 Games)
Year 3: 10.76 disposals (17 Games)
Year 4: 13.60 disposals (5 Games)
Year 5: 18.45 disposals (22 Games)
Year 6: 21.21 disposals (19 Games)
Year 7: 21.38 disposals (21 Games)
Year 8: 25.78 disposals (23 Games)

The difference though was that Richard’s had pace, a raking left foot and a far more physical footing in the game.
Sanders pace isn’t going to increase. Depth in kicking might improve negligibly. Hardness, defensive pressure and endurance could be the areas he really improves

 

[Chalky White]

Some here are very harsh towards Sanders.

Vanilla or not. Hard to develop when you're an inside player getting stuck on outside roles. Personally he should have played some time in the VFL in the centre to develop more. I wouldn't be trading him when we have Libba and Treloar likely to retire at the end of next season, though wouldn't put it past Libba to keep on going.

The stuff people point out, can be improved. Richards was nothing for a few years until moved to half back. Some players are just slow burns.

And we will be back to square one of having a lack of young mids coming through entering a period of extremely compromised drafts if TAS gets approved. Freijah still goes for long periods of low impact games. Sanders was also very good in that Sydney game where Freijah stood out. Hynes has showed nothing yet at AFL level aside from some hardness and Martin like fend offs.

If Sanders is vanilla, then so is Busslinger. If we get Butts and Wilkie. He will suddenly find himself 5th in the pecking order. Until Lobb retires at least. Even he could be used are a bargaining chip.

But we need to protect our future. We keep getting the list unbalanced at the wrong time in terms of positional balance and age profile.

Buss isn’t vanilla, he’s a slurpee with no flavour at all. I have more faith in Sanders than Buss.
Two highish draft picks that just haven’t delivered yet.

 

[Chalky White]

But is Mr Dangerfield really worth his 500k per annum price tag for talking to kids?

Just asking questions fellas.

Phil Scully vibes

 

[DognBones]

Yeah but running patterns!

You should never underestimate running patterns:

 

[TiAn_]

The Aints are totally over the barrel with the Sword of Damocles of NWM’s two year deal and needing to show him they’re not a forever rabble (although he’s leaving anyway). There’s no way they have the stones to tell Wilkie to suck it up being on Aleer money. I’d respect them if they did. But I can’t think of a single time they didn’t get worked over on a contract/deal. And given it would be a disaster for them to bring in all the C graders and lose Wilkie, Marshall and Steele, the timing is perfect for him to name his price and watch the Saints bend over.

 

[Doggy]

The Aints are totally over the barrel with the Sword of Damocles of NWM’s two year deal and needing to show him they’re not a forever rabble (although he’s leaving anyway). There’s no way they have the stones to tell Wilkie to suck it up being on Aleer money. I’d respect them if they did. But I can’t think of a single time they didn’t get worked over on a contract/deal. And given it would be a disaster for them to bring in all the C graders and lose Wilkie, Marshall and Steele, the timing is perfect for him to name his price and watch the Saints bend over.

My dad is a Saints supporter and tells me Leek Aleer and Silvagni are on 650k each

He's not the only one who believes it

 

[MaxiBont]

The Aints are totally over the barrel with the Sword of Damocles of NWM’s two year deal and needing to show him they’re not a forever rabble (although he’s leaving anyway). There’s no way they have the stones to tell Wilkie to suck it up being on Aleer money. I’d respect them if they did. But I can’t think of a single time they didn’t get worked over on a contract/deal. And given it would be a disaster for them to bring in all the C graders and lose Wilkie, Marshall and Steele, the timing is perfect for him to name his price and watch the Saints bend over.

At the time of the deal, I thought Nas signing for 2 years at 2 mil was the worst possible outcome for the Saints.

They couldn’t commit to fully rebuilding after him or have proper time to build around him. They’ve now handed long and expensive contracts to mid players.

I can’t see how it goes well.

 

[TheScriptorWL]

The Aints are totally over the barrel with the Sword of Damocles of NWM’s two year deal and needing to show him they’re not a forever rabble (although he’s leaving anyway). There’s no way they have the stones to tell Wilkie to suck it up being on Aleer money. I’d respect them if they did. But I can’t think of a single time they didn’t get worked over on a contract/deal. And given it would be a disaster for them to bring in all the C graders and lose Wilkie, Marshall and Steele, the timing is perfect for him to name his price and watch the Saints bend over.

Saints aren't contending in the next two years. And as much as it causes their supporters emotional distress, Offloading one player for Draft capital, is better for their club in the long run.

Saints management are aware of this, which is why they haven't released an official statement, whuch would put this to bed overnight. Because THEY ARE listening to all offers

JSOS and TDK (Who was hot and cold in a struggling Carlton team) wont transform them by themselves. They need this, If building around NAS is the top priority. Without key drafting, He's gone in two years.

 

[Doggy]

Saints aren't contending in the next two years. And as much as it causes their supporters emotional distress, Offloading one player for Draft capital, is better for their club in the long run.

Saints management are aware of this, which is why they haven't released an official statement, whuch would put this to bed overnight. Because THEY ARE listening to all offers

JSOS and TDK (Who was hot and cold in a struggling Carlton team) wont transform them by themselves. They need this, If building around NAS is the top priority. Without key drafting, He's gone in two years.

He's gone anyway

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Just say we get Butts and Buderick and then in draft we get Farrow or Dovaston and two kids - hopefully fullback and a ruck forward.

We would be in the eight - barring injury again:

FF: Weightman Darcy Artie

HF: West Naughton Croft

R: English Bont Libba

C: Davidson Richards Friejah

HB: Williams Lobb Dale

FB: Buderick Butts JOD

Int: Trelor, Kennedy, Dolan, Sanders, Bramble.

 

[low impact and reckless]

Just say we get Butts and Buderick and then in draft we get Farrow or Dovaston and two kids - hopefully fullback and a ruck forward.

We would be in the eight - barring injury again:

FF: Weightman Darcy Artie

HF: West Naughton Croft

R: English Bont Libba

C: Davidson Richards Friejah

HB: Williams Lobb Dale

FB: Buderick Butts JOD

Int: Trelor, Kennedy, Dolan, Sanders, Bramble.

Mate id trust you to pick the team more than Bevo .Where are Cleary,Poulter ,Baker ,VDM and McNeill? The spuds will be represented . They always have been. Have a look at JODs season in the light of day . Its unpleasant viewing

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Also - happy to keep Khamis - but signs are a eco prefers Croft as a forward. I agree but still think Khamis is a very good third tall. Why is he not playing on VFL GF - too many AFL games?

But let’s say we lose him to Carltank - I would do a swap with Lachie Cowan - good player young in an area of need. Can play smalls and talls. They will likely offer McGovern- decent player but a bit soft and 30. But who else is likely?

Dream - Khamis and JUH for Weitering - in our backline we are a flag chance and he would know it. Pure Lake move.

Most likely for Jamarra is swap for McCartin. I get the concussion but he is a very good FB and at 30 has two years and o bet is dying for a shot and to come home. Preference is for Ballard at GC.

JUH has generational talent and I hope we can get him back on track / but odds are not looking likely - a complete change may be what he needs. Swans have the kind of close culture that could work for him but I want us to get true value.

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Mate id trust you to pick the team more than Bevo .Where are Cleary,Poulter ,Baker ,VDM and McNeill? The spuds will be represented . They always have been. Have a look at JODs season in the light of day . Its unpleasant viewing

Thanks but being a coach would kill me! I can’t even watch a game without losing my sh!t.

I also don’t understand the selections of tried, tested and ??? Players that have shown that aren’t what we need. At least with Cleary, Poulter and Baker they are still improving at lest slowly but not sure it will be enough.

At the same time we could have been getting games into Dolan, Hynes and Jacques that look to have much higher ceilings and already contributing as much or more? Would be further progressed.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

It is going to be hard.to go past the cats. Lions and Hawks next season if the following happen.

Cats get Marshall. Curnow
Lions ger Draper, Allan and Ridley. Plus a star Academy and had a lot injuries this season.
Hawks. Merritt and Day back from injury.

I am fairly bullish about us next season with some good trades but doubt we can beat the above teams if the predicted trades come off.

 

[lifesaver]

Apparently Saints gold ITK saying that Wilkie is staying.

If the ITK has club sources, not surprised that’s the info at this stage.

Few people in here saying differently, it’ll be interesting to see what happens.

Not true. I had it 100% from the horses mouth literally last night. Not over at all. Unlikely but not over. The longer it goes better our chances. Cant divulge how i know but my direct source is 100%. Anyone saying otherwise as of now doesn't know the true story.

 

[TiAn_]

I think if we bring in Butts we still need a small/medium defender and I’m not sold at all on Budarick.

I really love Judd McVee for us, but I recall he wants midfield time. He would be great rotating between half back and wing.

 

[TiAn_]

Not true. I had it 100% from the horses mouth literally last night. Not over at all. Unlikely but not over. The longer it goes better our chances. Cant divulge how i know but my direct source is 100%. Anyone saying otherwise as of now doesn't know the true story.

Where’s it at though? Would put my money on him leveraging our offer to squeeze everything he can out of the Saints and them having to do it because of overpaying the C graders and trying to be to convince NWM to hang around.