Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Has anyone asked Sanders what he wants?

 

[Munnez]

He's expanding his real estate investment portfolio?

Because I cant think of a single reason why a guy who's making a $1million plus a year and soon to be the beneficiary of one of the biggest bidding wars the game has seen. Would move to the armpit of the world.

Don't hold back for our sakes Norm

 

[UcantCme]

He's a fantastic player but his body is made of glass. Has a history of getting subbed out in the 2nd or 3rd quarter.

Think Daniel Talia. He stops the opposition's best forward, but wont provide anything on attack.

I personally think he's best 22 but the coaches chose to pursue Nick Murray this year instead

I come in peace

Just a correction - Nick Murray is more injury prone than Butts who has been quite durable throughout his career

Butts is AFL quality - has amazing closing speed, tough and disciplined. He’s not an intercept player but will take and lock down the opposition key forward - and very rarely gets multiple goals kicked on him

TBH - there is not much difference between Butts, Keane and Murray and if Butts didn’t cop his punctured lung he would have help Murray out of the team

Personally I think Butts and a F1 for Sanders is good business by both clubs

Hope you don’t mind my comments

Cheers

 

[adogsfan5]

Has anyone asked Sanders what he wants?

I’m sure the club has had many conversations

Just keep in mind, Twomey reported today that clubs are asking about N Daicos lol. It’s a strange trade period. This could be a nothing story

 

[Libbaaaa]

We can stop worrying about splitting our luck with the Eagles.

 

[DannyB4]

I’m sure the club has had many conversations

Just keep in mind, Twomey reported today that clubs are asking about N Daicos lol. It’s a strange trade period. This could be a nothing story

Is that any different than the annual "clubs asking about Dusty Martin" story from 2016-2024?

 

[adogsfan5]

I come in peace

Just a correction - Nick Murray is more injury prone than Butts who has been quite durable throughout his career

Butts is AFL quality - has amazing closing speed, tough and disciplined. He’s not an intercept player but will take and lock down the opposition key forward - and very rarely gets multiple goals kicked on him

TBH - there is not much difference between Butts, Keane and Murray and if Butts didn’t cop his punctured lung he would have help Murray out of the team

Personally I think Butts and a F1 for Sanders is good business by both clubs

Hope you don’t mind my comments

Cheers

Welcome to the dogs board mate.

Have heard we are looking at Keane now… anything heard from your end / your board?

 

[Proffessor]

Yep Collins had shown so much ability to play that he was delisted and no one wanted to pick him up as DFA... makes sense.

You never mentioned having to dominate as teenagers but you did say that "really good" KPD dominate early in their career. Buss is only 21 so by saying he's not good because he hasn't dominated yet is basically expecting him to dominate as a teenager.

There's a reason those at football clubs who know what they're talking about have all said Key position players taker longer to develop and won't hit anywhere near their peak until 25. Thank **** you're not part of the clubs list management team.

It is better to give a bloke with potential more time to develop than it is tossing him on the street and letting another club pick-up a potential star for free.

I'd guarantee you that 2026 won't be his last year in the AFL system.

I never used the word dominate, please stop making things up to help your lack of argument.

The fact that Buss was drafted in the first round as an 18 year old and was also selected in the under 18 All Australian team means he doesn't fit the profile of a late maturer.

Rather it means he fits the profile of most players whose performance graphs tend to plateau.

On the bright side he is on the cusp of making it at AFL level, having played 7 games this year. On the downside he has reached this point after three years in the system and being at best the third ranked KPD in a team that is now actively seeking to recruit additional mature KPD's, and with a match committee that has a history of playing 3 tall defenders or less. He is in a very precarious position going into the last year of a contract.

He has been given a fourth year in the system because he has shown some potential for further improvement, but will he get a fifth year in the system? Who knows?

You can't guarantee it, and at this point it looks like the odds aren't exactly in his favour.

 

[bresker]

Has anyone asked Sanders what he wants?

He wants to live in Darley

If Darley is the armpit of the world, what of Bonnie Brook , Deanside or dear old Laverton? I've just spent two days tramping round Laverton. It's near the freeway. Often very, very near .

I'm in Manor Lakes tomorrow.

 

[Doggy]

He wants to live in Darley

If Darley is the armpit of the world, what of Bonnie Brook , Deanside or dear old Laverton? I've just spent two days tramping round Laverton. It's near the freeway. Often very, very near .

I'm in Manor Lakes tomorrow.

I just moved from ML 2 months ago

 

[ttomred17]

We get another 1st in a deal for Sanders then Zak is 100% on the cards for this off season

 

[Doggy]

We get another 1st in a deal for Sanders then Zak is 100% on the cards for this off season

I'd rather keep Sanders unless we think we will lose him to Tasmania

 

[doggiesin08]

We can stop worrying about splitting our luck with the Eagles.

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So Brisbane get pick 22 plus 3 x small upgrades (19 to 16, 46 to 44, and 52 to 50) for a player that the Eagles could have just signed through the PSD without impacting their Oscar Allen compensation.

Or from the Eagles perspective, on the new DVI they’ve traded the equivalent of pick 22 for a player they could have grabbed for free! I’m repeating grievances but **** me why is the AFL giving priority picks when clubs aren’t even trying to use the equalisation measures that are there. I don’t care that it’s historically been taboo to use the PSD - it exists and it you’re not trying then no handouts - the next effect here was a freebie to the premiers.

 

[doggiesin08]

I'd rather keep Sanders unless we think we will lose him to Tasmania

I think the trade or compensation value we would get from Tassie would far exceed what we would get from anyone now, plus Butts is a non restricted FA in 12 months time. It’d be a lot to pay to shift that forward 12 months.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

So Brisbane get pick 22 plus 3 x small upgrades (19 to 16, 46 to 44, and 52 to 50) for a player that the Eagles could have just signed through the PSD without impacting their Oscar Allen compensation.

Or from the Eagles perspective, on the new DVI they’ve traded the equivalent of pick 22 for a player they could have grabbed for free! I’m repeating grievances but **** me why is the AFL giving priority picks when clubs aren’t even trying to use the equalisation measures that are there. I don’t care that it’s historically been taboo to use the PSD - it exists and it you’re not trying then no handouts - the next effect here was a freebie to the premiers.

This trade and some of the other discussions I think the AFL industry are treating it as an extremely weak draft. The upgrades in the 40s and 50s are solely for points purposes as a gift by West Coast, as both probably don't think that there's more than 40 players worth drafting in this pool, when the alternate is being able to invite a few undrafted players to your pre-season training.

Flanders for pick 7 etc. when he may not be a top 10 traded pick in other years.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I think the trade or compensation value we would get from Tassie would far exceed what we would get from anyone now, plus Butts is a non restricted FA in 12 months time. It’d be a lot to pay to shift that forward 12 months.

I'm always a bit nervous about forward planning when we know we most likely have the best player in the league for R1 2026. We may not have the best player in the league for R1 2027.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

There's a hell of a lot of extrapolation going on based on a question that was probably asked of dozens of players, their management or club over the last few days and weeks.

Have you guys bothered to consider Sanders disposition as to whether or not he wants to go to Adelaide as you dream up your trade scenarios? Theres little incentive for him to move to Adelaide when he can just play out his contract and then go home to Tasmania and make history by playing in their inaugural team.

We constantly bemoan the lack of loyalty in players whenever they even hint at leaving the club. Yet everybody seems quick to move on players if they reckon they can be used as a piece of a bigger puzzle.

 

[glenashley]

If we need another first for butters then I'm all on on a Sanders trade.

There's no on else on the list that would get us a first round pick that I'd be willing to let go.

As an aside, a fit and firing JUH would have probably netted us enough picks alone for a virtual direct swap for butters. Another reason to be really annoyed.

 

[perro_loco]

I also just heard we might be interested in Butters. Anyone have any thoughts on that?"

I am interested in Margarines, if that makes sense. Terrible dad joke, I guess, but worth a try.

 

[doggiesin08]

This trade and some of the other discussions I think the AFL industry are treating it as an extremely weak draft. The upgrades in the 40s and 50s are solely for points purposes as a gift by West Coast, as both probably don't think that there's more than 40 players worth drafting in this pool, when the alternate is being able to invite a few undrafted players to your pre-season training.

Flanders for pick 7 etc. when he may not be a top 10 traded pick in other years.

Yep I think this is right and there’s only minimal value in those later pick swaps, but Brisbane walking away with anything for Starcevich while bringing in Allen and Draper for free is ludicrous when there was a clear pathway for West Coast to not give up anything for him. Even the Brisbane fans were laughing that the Eagles priority pick was basically a direct handout to them right after winning the flag.

 

[doggiesin08]

I'm always a bit nervous about forward planning when we know we most likely have the best player in the league for R1 2026. We may not have the best player in the league for R1 2027.

Fair enough. For me the question is what’s our best chance at the next flag:

1. All-in on 2026, compromising the future somewhat to bring in a KPD and missing pieces while Bont is in his prime and while Libba and Treloar (hopefully) are still very valuable; or
2. Pump games into Buss, JOD, Croft, Sanders, Hynes, Dolan, Jaques in 2026 and then target Butts (FA) and Butters for 2027; but you likely get some drop off in Bont, Libba, Treloar, Lobb, etc.

I think there is merit in both approaches; and don’t think option 2 necessarily rules out making a run at 2026.

 

[CDBulldog]

I am interested in Margarines, if that makes sense. Terrible dad joke, I guess, but worth a try.

Take a day off the internet!

 

[Doggy]

Take a day off from the internet!

I can't believe it's not Butters

 

[Pep_x]

Has there been any more talk of us somehow getting the Suns first draft pick?
We need to land at least 1 pretty early first rounder to be in a position to go for Butters this year.

 

[DannyB4]

I never used the word dominate, please stop making things up to help your lack of argument.

The fact that Buss was drafted in the first round as an 18 year old and was also selected in the under 18 All Australian team means he doesn't fit the profile of a late maturer.

Rather it means he fits the profile of most players whose performance graphs tend to plateau.

On the bright side he is on the cusp of making it at AFL level, having played 7 games this year. On the downside he has reached this point after three years in the system and being at best the third ranked KPD in a team that is now actively seeking to recruit additional mature KPD's, and with a match committee that has a history of playing 3 tall defenders or less. He is in a very precarious position going into the last year of a contract.

He has been given a fourth year in the system because he has shown some potential for further improvement, but will he get a fifth year in the system? Who knows?

You can't guarantee it, and at this point it looks like the odds aren't exactly in his favour.

Lol. He will absolutely be in the AFL system in 2027. You'd have to be either truly delusional or a generational Buss hater to think otherwise.

You also seem to be forgetting he has battled with injuries that have curtailed his development along with the fact he's barely had a proper pre-season or a clean run at senior level. He's shown potential when he has played and will absolutely improve with time and maturity.

So many club "supporters" just want to tear down players for absolutely no reason.