Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[DognBones]

Where keeping Sanders

Not sure. Probably on holidays in Tassy.

 

[Dogsfan1]

Not sure. Probably on holidays in Tassy.

Or in sydney with his girlfriend

 

[Hobdog]

Not sure. Probably on holidays in Tassy.

*Tassie

 

[Optimistic Dog]

The more you post, the less I am convinced that you actually are an Optimistic Dog

Actually, if you look at the date i joined Bigfooty October14. When the place was complete doom and gloom after Ryan Griffin and the coach were leaving. I chose the username because I was optimistic that getting rid of Brendan McCartney was the best thing we could do. Bingo a flag in 2 years. I have been a member since 61 and if you want to see real doom and gloom just look at most of the years since then until 89 when we nearly went under. I was there helping to raise money for our survival.

The 2,000s have been our most successful period in our history. I hope for another flag we are not far off but need to make good decisions to make it happen. Not sure where that sits on the scale of optimism, but it is simply the way I see it,

 

[DannyB4]

Thank you for supporting my argument and undermining your own with your examples.

Wilkie played 22 games in his second year on an AFL list after being picked up in the rookie draft.
Collins played 12 games in his first year on an AFL list.
Pearce played 13 games in his second year on an AFL list.

All were established AFL players well before they turned 25.

Thank you for supporting my argument and undermining your own with your "statistics".


Wilkie's 2nd season he was 24 years old.

Collins was delisted and spent a year in the VFL because no one wanted him after his first 2 years at Freo. His 1st season playing over 15 games was 2020 when he was 26 years old.

Pearce followed that 13 game season with 8 games and 0 games in his next 2 seasons. His first 20+ game season came in his 5th year at the age of 23 and with 5 pre-seasons under his belt.


"All were established AFL players before they turned 25." Are you sure about that? All were established yet 1 of those "established players" got delisted and had to ply his trade at Werribee because no other club saw any potential in him to grab him for FREE.

Even if this statement is true - which it isn't - then why aren't you giving Buss a chance to prove himself until he is 25 instead of trying to push him out now?

Also wasn't your original statement that "really good KPD players play well a lot earlier." So according to your own stats the 3 I mentioned aren't really good KPD because they didn't dominate as teenagers.

 

[Doggies7]

It's a tough one for Sam Power

Sam Power

Age

42

Ht

190cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

and the list managers. Obviously they rate Ryley very highly trading up for him and investing two years into him now, but the jungle drums are absolutely beating with Tassie and now the Crows with him being one of the few from that draft yet to extend his contract.

I will be really disappointed if we turn down a potential big offer from the Crows now only to lose him for less in a year or two anyway. If it could lead us to getting Butts and another pick for Butters I'm pulling the trigger. If we don't, management better be very confident he is staying long term still...

 

[stefoid]

sorry if this has been discussed but Twomey says Crows asked about Sanders.

 

[Bulldog Brent]

sorry if this has been discussed but Twomey says Crows asked about Sanders.

You just need to read the last 20 pages mate

 

[redmania]

sorry if this has been discussed but Twomey says Crows asked about Sanders.

What when?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Are we trading Sanders for Butts... or Butters... or both?!
(Or... neither. )

 

[stefoid]

You just need to read the last 20 pages mate

sure.. Ill get right on that

Also, it seems the guy from Slow Horses is Gold Coasts list manager?

 

[adogsfan5]

Mark Keane…

 

[Cudi]

That’s fair, everyone values players differently which would contribute to what we view as a fair deal. FWIW my view aligns with the club re Buss. I think he’ll be very good, and likely better than Butts next year.

Buss might end up better than Butts but they are two different defenders. Butts is good at one on one and locking down his opponent, that isn’t Buss as he is an interceptor. Problem is JOD and Lobb are also interceptors, so if we don’t grab a Butts type we will be playing one of them out of position.

I’m all for trusting JOD and Buss to develop but they are 2nd and 3rd defenders, we desperately need someone to partner them with who actually can defend one on one. Otherwise I think we might actually be hindering their development.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Zak's house starts construction in Darley in a few weeks. Just saying.

He's expanding his real estate investment portfolio?

Because I cant think of a single reason why a guy who's making a $1million plus a year and soon to be the beneficiary of one of the biggest bidding wars the game has seen. Would move to the armpit of the world.

 

[Proffessor]

Thank you for supporting my argument and undermining your own with your "statistics".


Wilkie's 2nd season he was 24 years old.

Collins was delisted and spent a year in the VFL because no one wanted him after his first 2 years at Freo. His 1st season playing over 15 games was 2020 when he was 26 years old.

Pearce followed that 13 game season with 8 games and 0 games in his next 2 seasons. His first 20+ game season came in his 5th year at the age of 23 and with 5 pre-seasons under his belt.


"All were established AFL players before they turned 25." Are you sure about that? All were established yet 1 of those "established players" got delisted and had to ply his trade at Werribee because no other club saw any potential in him to grab him for FREE.

Even if this statement is true - which it isn't - then why aren't you giving Buss a chance to prove himself until he is 25 instead of trying to push him out now?

Also wasn't your original statement that "really good KPD players play well a lot earlier." So according to your own stats the 3 I mentioned aren't really good KPD because they didn't dominate as teenagers.

Wilkie actually played 22 games in his 1st season on an AFL list when he turned 23 (in the March), I mistakenly listed this as his second year in my earlier post which I have now corrected, so he was more advanced than I originally suggested.

Regardless of minor hiccups in their trajectories Pearce and Collins had also shown their ability to play with far less time in the AFL system than Buss.

I never mentioned having to dominate as teenagers. I really wish you would resist the temptation to suggest that I have written things that I haven't.

I am also not trying to push Buss out. Merely suggesting that an AFL player's career window is short, Jedd has already been given longer than most to establish himself but has yet to do so, and that as a result his chances aren't great from this point on.

Anyone who is telling Jedd that he still has time on his side at this point is doing him a disservice.
He needs to get a serious wriggle on if he is going to have a long AFL career, and he should be approaching 2026 as his last chance, because it might very well be.

 

[Philthy1]

FFS, I’ve caught up on 20+ pages and no one can tell me if Butters is coming or not.

At this rate I am going to start listening to trade radio.

 

[Zgope1]

The chickens are getting a good feeding this offseason

 

[cherrypie]

sorry if this has been discussed but Twomey says Crows asked about Sanders.

I also just heard we might be interested in Butters. Anyone have any thoughts on that?"

 

[BrisDog]

Trade our most promising young star for a fringe player we could get for free next year, surely this is satire?

Sanders is Vanilla. I just counted 6 young players who have more potential without thinking. He is a Mitch Wallis clone, without the hardness.

 

[BrisDog]

Where keeping Sanders

We are?

 

[Insert Username Here]

Buss might end up better than Butts but they are two different defenders. Butts is good at one on one and locking down his opponent, that isn’t Buss as he is an interceptor. Problem is JOD and Lobb are also interceptors, so if we don’t grab a Butts type we will be playing one of them out of position.

I’m all for trusting JOD and Buss to develop but they are 2nd and 3rd defenders, we desperately need someone to partner them with who actually can defend one on one. Otherwise I think we might actually be hindering their development.

On this point, having the 3 tall interceptors certainly isn't a bad thing, now that we are going to 5 on the bench. I feel like this really opens up the potential of using an extra tall in the 23, and a swingman like Lobb can be used more forward and even pinch-hitting in the ruck (which could also serve to protect Darcy too). This means we can still give games to Buss and JOD even if we bring Butts in.

 

[DannyB4]

Wilkie actually played 22 games in his 1st season on an AFL list when he turned 23 (in the March), I mistakenly listed this as his second year in my earlier post which I have now corrected, so he was more advanced than I originally suggested.

Regardless of minor hiccups in their trajectories Pearce and Collins had also shown their ability to play with far less time in the AFL system than Buss.

I never mentioned having to dominate as teenagers. I really wish you would resist the temptation to suggest that I have written things that I haven't.

I am also not trying to push Buss out. Merely suggesting that an AFL player's career window is short, Jedd has already been given longer than most to establish himself but has yet to do so, and that as a result his chances aren't great from this point on.

Anyone who is telling Jedd that he still has time on his side at this point is doing him a disservice.
He needs to get a serious wriggle on if he is going to have a long AFL career, and he should be approaching 2026 as his last chance, because it might very well be.

Yep Collins had shown so much ability to play that he was delisted and no one wanted to pick him up as DFA... makes sense.

You never mentioned having to dominate as teenagers but you did say that "really good" KPD dominate early in their career. Buss is only 21 so by saying he's not good because he hasn't dominated yet is basically expecting him to dominate as a teenager.

There's a reason those at football clubs who know what they're talking about have all said Key position players taker longer to develop and won't hit anywhere near their peak until 25. Thank **** you're not part of the clubs list management team.

It is better to give a bloke with potential more time to develop than it is tossing him on the street and letting another club pick-up a potential star for free.

I'd guarantee you that 2026 won't be his last year in the AFL system.

 

[DannyB4]

Wilkie actually played 22 games in his 1st season on an AFL list when he turned 23 (in the March), I mistakenly listed this as his second year in my earlier post which I have now corrected, so he was more advanced than I originally suggested.

Regardless of minor hiccups in their trajectories Pearce and Collins had also shown their ability to play with far less time in the AFL system than Buss.

I never mentioned having to dominate as teenagers. I really wish you would resist the temptation to suggest that I have written things that I haven't.

I am also not trying to push Buss out. Merely suggesting that an AFL player's career window is short, Jedd has already been given longer than most to establish himself but has yet to do so, and that as a result his chances aren't great from this point on.

Anyone who is telling Jedd that he still has time on his side at this point is doing him a disservice.
He needs to get a serious wriggle on if he is going to have a long AFL career, and he should be approaching 2026 as his last chance, because it might very well be.

Wilkie was more advanced than you originally suggested but he still had 2 more years than Buss to grow into his adult body and get to a decent level before a bottom feeder club took a gamble to pick him up.

Give the kid some time ffs. The Buss hate on this board is getting tiresome.

 

[Kermit]

He's expanding his real estate investment portfolio?

Because I cant think of a single reason why a guy who's making a $1million plus a year and soon to be the beneficiary of one of the biggest bidding wars the game has seen. Would move to the armpit of the world.

Ouch! Lived in Darley for many years and really liked it. Armpit of the world is not a fair way to describe it (and if we want Butters, you really shouldn’t say that stuff
)

 

[DannyB4]

He's expanding his real estate investment portfolio?

Because I cant think of a single reason why a guy who's making a $1million plus a year and soon to be the beneficiary of one of the biggest bidding wars the game has seen. Would move to the armpit of the world.

Confusing Geelong with Darley?