Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Bulldogs85]

Footscray VFL forward gets his AFL shot with Bulldogs

Bulldogs utility joins his AFL counterparts on the last day of the supplemental selection period

www.afl.com.au

 

[doggy_dog]

Lewis signed. Will happily eat my words but this seems like such a low upside decision

 

[iambrilliant]

Not sure how I feel about this one . Probably would’ve just kept the spot open for the mid season draft. Definitely isn’t a list need for us

 

[Dogs Rule]

Lewis signed. Will happily eat my words but this seems like such a low upside decision

Agreed. Here we are again. Another Bevo project of a VFL battler who he hopes to turn into a AFL champion. Ain't happening. Anyway...

 

[Pencil case]

This has to be one of our most baffling list decisions in a long time

 

[Struggle]

Unless we've got some kind of expectation of him being a decent key defender, i can't see any point of this signing

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Sanders will be a Dog for life

Mail or gut feel ?

 

[Golden_6]

Unless we've got some kind of expectation of him being a decent key defender, i can't see any point of this signing

Considering he played forward in the one chance at AFL level, I highly doubt we see him as a key defender.

It's the last spot on the list so I'm not going to have a meltdown but it's genuinely baffling and a very very lazy piece of list management.

I will say that we're very light on for VFL tall forwards. It's likely just Lewis & perhaps Emmett if he doesn't play AFL.

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Darcy, Naughton or Croft goes down with injury - what is the plan? Buku looks to be extremely important down back, and we hardly have the KPD depth to move Lobb.

So who fills the void? Because we literally have no KPF depth as it stands. Well, now we do, because we've recruited our best key forward from our VFL side. He was the 8th highest goalkicker at VFL level last year despite being thrown into defence on occasion, and knows our system.

You can't always buy the lottery tickets, sometimes you need the lower ceiling player to maintain continuity in our side in the event of injury. We needed KPF depth, and we got it. He isn't our superstar power forward. He's our Jack Redpath

Jack Redpath

Age

35

Ht

194cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.6

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

- there to maintain structure and play his role if called upon.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Why didn't we just keep the open list spot? Baffling call.

 

[Foxman98]

Darcy, Naughton or Croft goes down with injury - what is the plan? Buku looks to be extremely important down back, and we hardly have the KPD depth to move Lobb.

So who fills the void? Because we literally have no KPF depth as it stands. Well, now we do, because we've recruited our best key forward from our VFL side. He was the 8th highest goalkicker at VFL level last year despite being thrown into defence on occasion, and knows our system.

You can't always buy the lottery tickets, sometimes you need the lower ceiling player to maintain continuity in our side in the event of injury. We needed KPF depth, and we got it. He isn't our superstar power forward. He's our Jack Redpath - there to maintain structure and play his role if called upon.

We didn't have him play Friday and didn't have Darcy play and looked more then fine he's at a minimum already behind Darcy/Naughts/Croft/Emmett

We also have the likes of Davidson who can play the "pseudo" 3rd tall if needed

Happy for Will think he should be on an AFL list just don't see the value on him in ours

 

[TiAn_]

Who were the options on the list to keep our structure intact if Naughton or Darcy were injured again?

Croft is already in the side and part of that structure.

The new draftee Emmett? Ryan Gardner? Pulling Khamis or Lobb from defence?

KPF depth seemed one of our most obvious needs to me. Hopefully we don’t need to use him, but would hate to lose one of our forward half talls for a stretch and be relying on an 18 year old or a defender doing a makeshift stint up forward.

 

[cecil]

Mail or gut feel ?

Sanders would already be a Crow if you let Keane go last year. I'd be surprised if he sticks around. Especially if we bring in Butters

 

[Mofra]

Darcy, Naughton or Croft goes down with injury - what is the plan? Buku looks to be extremely important down back, and we hardly have the KPD depth to move Lobb.

So who fills the void? Because we literally have no KPF depth as it stands. Well, now we do, because we've recruited our best key forward from our VFL side. He was the 8th highest goalkicker at VFL level last year despite being thrown into defence on occasion, and knows our system.

You can't always buy the lottery tickets, sometimes you need the lower ceiling player to maintain continuity in our side in the event of injury. We needed KPF depth, and we got it. He isn't our superstar power forward. He's our Jack Redpath - there to maintain structure and play his role if called upon.

Play 2 KPFs if one of them goes down. Gardiner, as limited as he is, can pinch hit in the ruck and play as a warm body Emmett is developing, Kennedy or Bont can play as marking types during a game, Hynes is good overhead and a good size, Davison can play a HF leading role.

Lewis looks like he's good as a deep forward at VFL level but I really don't understand this decision, unless Darcy's body is much worse then we have been letting on in which case we're in trouble anyway

 

[iambrilliant]

Who were the options on the list to keep our structure intact if Naughton or Darcy were injured again?

Croft is already in the side and part of that structure.

The new draftee Emmett? Ryan Gardner? Pulling Khamis or Lobb from defence?

KPF depth seemed one of our most obvious needs to me. Hopefully we don’t need to use him, but would hate to lose one of our forward half talls for a stretch and be relying on an 18 year old or a defender doing a makeshift stint up forward.

I’d rather run the 2 key forwards or wait until Weightman comes back or even pull buku forward and bring in gardiner or Busslinger personally. Don’t think we are light on for key forward power at all

 

[Foxman98]

Who were the options on the list to keep our structure intact if Naughton or Darcy were injured again?

Croft is already in the side and part of that structure.

The new draftee Emmett? Ryan Gardner? Pulling Khamis or Lobb from defence?

KPF depth seemed one of our most obvious needs to me. Hopefully we don’t need to use him, but would hate to lose one of our forward half talls for a stretch and be relying on an 18 year old or a defender doing a makeshift stint up forward.

You've just named 3 already on the list without having to make changes to our backline

Emmett was much better then Lewis last week and we only played 2 KPF on Friday and looked good

 

[Foxman98]

Play 2 KPFs if one of them goes down. Gardiner, as limited as he is, can pinch hit in the ruck and play as a warm body Emmett is developing, Kennedy or Bont can play as marking types during a game, Hynes is good overhead and a good size, Davison can play a HF leading role.

Lewis looks like he's good as a deep forward at VFL level but I really don't understand this decision, unless Darcy's body is much worse then we have been letting on in which case we're in trouble anyway

Walker also kicked a couple of bags in the VFL finals last year

Lewis is a decent enough player but if we are relying on him to come in and be anything other then a mediocre role player we are already in trouble and realistically we have plenty of talls who can do that

 

[Pencil case]

Mail or gut feel ?

Mail, he has no interest in leaving the Dogs.

 

[TiAn_]

You've just named 3 already on the list without having to make changes to our backline

Emmett was much better then Lewis last week and we only played 2 KPF on Friday and looked good

Hoping for the best case scenario isn’t a list strategy.

 

[doggiesin08]

Why didn't we just keep the open list spot? Baffling call.

Obviously it’s very unlikely, but at least conceptually you could have a wink-wink agreement with Lewis that he’ll “retire” from AFL (but keep playing VFL) just before the MSD if asked to do so.

We get some extra cover for the first 1/2 season without losing the MSD flexibility, he gets some extra money (presumably) and an opportunity to impress beyond expectation.

 

[Doggy]

Mail, he has no interest in leaving the Dogs.

That would go against a few people on here

 

[Mofra]

Mail, he has no interest in leaving the Dogs.

I'd happily sign him long term. He's on a real upward trajectory and is a pro off field

 

[Foxman98]

Hoping for the best case scenario isn’t a list strategy.

Correct

But we currently have 11 listed KPP without included Lewis

 

[TiAn_]

Play 2 KPFs if one of them goes down. Gardiner, as limited as he is, can pinch hit in the ruck and play as a warm body Emmett is developing, Kennedy or Bont can play as marking types during a game, Hynes is good overhead and a good size, Davison can play a HF leading role.

Lewis looks like he's good as a deep forward at VFL level but I really don't understand this decision, unless Darcy's body is much worse then we have been letting on in which case we're in trouble anyway

I’d rather run the 2 key forwards or wait until Weightman comes back or even pull buku forward and bring in gardiner or Busslinger personally. Don’t think we are light on for key forward power at all

This boils down to planning for a potential injury to a KPF by:

A: Leaving a list spot open so we have no option other than use untried teenagers, or mid-season we either repurpose defenders or midfielders or change the structure of our forward line.

OR

B: Adding one of the best mature VFL KPFs to our last list spot.

It’s a pretty obvious choice to me.

 

[Foxman98]

This boils down to planning for a potential injury to a KPF by:

A: Leaving a list spot open so we have no option other than use untried teenagers, or mid-season we either repurpose defenders or midfielders or change the structure of our forward line.

OR

B: Adding one of the best mature VFL KPFs to our last list spot.

It’s a pretty obvious choice to me.

What you are talking is 2-3 KPF injuries and if they are 1 of if not both of Darcy/Naughton our forwardline will be drastically different anyway

Lewis is a solid VFL player but is undersized at AFL level

Emmett and Gards would provide the same amount of depth as well as a chop out in the ruck

Could also again throw Buss or even a Coffield type down back and Buku/JOD/Lobb forward