Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Hope he does well but not a massive fan of the decision

Not convinced on the strategy of giving the last list spots to guys just because they are from our VFL program. Hasn’t really worked in the past but that doesn’t mean that it won’t be a success this time and I hope Lewis proves me wrong

 

[BigFloppa]

I really hope we keep Sanders. Losing him for anything less than 2 top 10 picks would be a poor result. He's gonna be a star player. Projecting perfectly for a pick 6 right now so that's the bottom of his value imo. Also reckon he will be a better player than Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

who was taken at pick 7. Why would you trade that quality for a lucky dip that could be a complete bust? His first couple of years were modest but his trajectory is excellent.

 

[dergert]

Not down with the Lewis signing.
Obviously Im stoked for him because I love him as a player and I love how we invest in Footscray but I just don't see it.

Make us eat our words Will Lewis!!

 

[Testekill]

Lobb and Khamis are working as defensive options, why do people want to drag them back up forward in the case that someone goes down? If any of our main 3 tall forwards go down then the cupboard is very bare and I don't want to rely on a first year ruck or throwing Ryan Gardner up forward when he has looked all at sea up forward in the VFL.

 

[TiAn_]

What you are talking is 2-3 KPF injuries and if they are 1 of if not both of Darcy/Naughton our forwardline will be drastically different anyway

Lewis is a solid VFL player but is undersized at AFL level

Emmett and Gards would provide the same amount of depth as well as a chop out in the ruck

Could also again throw Buss or even a Coffield type down back and Buku/JOD/Lobb forward

Are we trying to play finals this year or maximise our number of lottery tickets in the MSD?

It’s one injury to Darcy or Naughton and we’d have no option but teenagers, defenders (already our weakest line) or changing the forward line we’ve spent pre-season setting up. That is not how teams with any ambition plan for a season. That is how North Melbourne plans for a season.

 

[WAbulldog]

Definitely an interesting choice to sign Will Lewis but not going to lose sleep over it. Think it’s only for depth incase one of our talls go down.

 

[Testekill]

Are we trying to play finals this year or maximise our number of lottery tickets in the MSD?

It’s one injury to Darcy or Naughton and we’d have no option but teenagers, defenders (already our weakest line) or changing the forward line we’ve spent pre-season setting up. That is not how teams with any ambition plan for a season. That is how North Melbourne plans for a season.

It's planning for a worst case scenario.

 

[Sentinel]

Not convinced on the strategy of giving the last list spots to guys just because they are from our VFL program. Hasn’t really worked in the past but that doesn’t mean that it won’t be a success this time and I hope Lewis proves me wrong

It's been 4 years since the last Footscray signing, and whilst none have been world beaters you would at least call Scott a success.

Prior to Lewis, since the VFL program was reintroduced we've signed 3 players out of the VFL program:

• Will Hayes, main draft 2018 (13 games, 4 goals)
• Anthony Scott, SSP 2020 (59 games, 29 goals)
• Robbie McComb, rookie draft 2021 (18 games, 7 goals)

I wouldn't have minded the club holding over the selection until the mid season draft, but I don't think its fair to say he was signed "just because he was in our VFL program". Harmes' retirement came late so bringing in a player from outside would have carried a greater risk without time to fully assess them, whilst the club also wouldn't have signed him if they didn't think he was up to it.

Whilst it has occured a couple of times, a strategy of signing a Footscray VFL player onto the last spot of the list simply does not exist.

 

[Foxman98]

Are we trying to play finals this year or maximise our number of lottery tickets in the MSD?

It’s one injury to Darcy or Naughton and we’d have no option but teenagers, defenders (already our weakest line) or changing the forward line we’ve spent pre-season setting up. That is not how teams with any ambition plan for a season. That is how North Melbourne plans for a season.

You'd think Will Lewis is prime Garry Ablett Snr

He is 26 and never stepped foot on an AFL field,

He had a solid VFL season last year however the majority of his better games were against bottom 6 VFL teams (Similar to Hugh Dixon)

If we get any injuries we have more then enough depth just as competent as he is

 

[maddog37]

Will Lewis good luck big fella.

 

[weltschmerz]

You'd think Will Lewis is prime Garry Ablett Snr

Where has anyone said anything even close to that?

 

[Sentinel]

He is 26 and never stepped foot on an AFL field,

And Shaun Mannagh was 27. What's the point? He's an SSP selection, not a main draft pick.

 

[Foxman98]

Where has anyone said anything even close to that?

Well Emmett/Croft are both "teenagers" so can't play a better role

Gards despite getting drafted as a forward/ruck out of the same VFL program is a full blown dud who can't compete and our only savior if we get KPF injuries is Will Lewis

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

We didn't have him play Friday and didn't have Darcy play and looked more then fine he's at a minimum already behind Darcy/Naughts/Croft/Emmett

We also have the likes of Davidson who can play the "pseudo" 3rd tall if needed

Happy for Will think he should be on an AFL list just don't see the value on him in ours

And the Hawks didn’t play Barrass. That doesn’t indicate that our undersized FWD or their undersized DEF are how things will be played out during the season

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Play 2 KPFs if one of them goes down. Gardiner, as limited as he is, can pinch hit in the ruck and play as a warm body Emmett is developing, Kennedy or Bont can play as marking types during a game, Hynes is good overhead and a good size, Davison can play a HF leading role.

Lewis looks like he's good as a deep forward at VFL level but I really don't understand this decision, unless Darcy's body is much worse then we have been letting on in which case we're in trouble anyway

I think playing Lewis has us as a better side than if we’d played Gardner or Emmett. We want to be as competitive as possible, and need to use our list spots strategically. Can’t just arbitrarily leave it open in the hopes that the next Jai Newcombe fall in our laps. We’ve recruited enough high upside kids recently - I’m happy to go with the more reliable mature body in an area of need

 

[BomToydd]

And Shaun Mannagh was 27. What's the point? He's an SSP selection, not a main draft pick.

Interesting player to bring up. We could have selected him in the mid season drafted but went for poulter instead.
Feel like bevo still has too much input in list management. Like the list management team has changed a bit over the years but the list of failed footscray vfl players keeps stacking up. Gowers, Hannan, McComb, Poulter, Hayes, Gardner, Scott.
Feel like he's obsessed with trying to turn an ordinary vfl player into a star to prove what a genius he is.

If one of our forwards go down maybe just use the guy who averages almost a goal game more and twice as many marks

 

[Snarls Barkley]

It's been 4 years since the last Footscray signing, and whilst none have been world beaters you would at least call Scott a success.

Prior to Lewis, since the VFL program was reintroduced we've signed 3 players out of the VFL program:

• Will Hayes, main draft 2018 (13 games, 4 goals)
• Anthony Scott, SSP 2020 (59 games, 29 goals)
• Robbie McComb, rookie draft 2021 (18 games, 7 goals)

I wouldn't have minded the club holding over the selection until the mid season draft, but I don't think its fair to say he was signed "just because he was in our VFL program". Harmes' retirement came late so bringing in a player from outside would have carried a greater risk without time to fully assess them, whilst the club also wouldn't have signed him if they didn't think he was up to it.

Whilst it has occured a couple of times, a strategy of signing a Footscray VFL player onto the last spot of the list simply does not exist.

Poulter, Gardner, Gowers too. So 7 times in 9 or 10 years is a pretty decent coincidence if it simply does not exist. Sounds like we were up to our nips with Mannagh before we decided to go with the program again

Lewis seems like a workhorse, they've shown they like to give these types lots of early chances and he might get the same and hopefully he makes the most of it. This could end up being a brilliant pick but I'm not convinced they are doing it for the right reasons

 

[scratchie]

Agreed. Here we are again. Another Bevo project of a VFL battler who he hopes to turn into a AFL champion. Ain't happening. Anyway...

He is so slow it’s ridiculous

 

[TiAn_]

You'd think Will Lewis is prime Garry Ablett Snr

He is 26 and never stepped foot on an AFL field,

He had a solid VFL season last year however the majority of his better games were against bottom 6 VFL teams (Similar to Hugh Dixon)

If we get any injuries we have more then enough depth just as competent as he is

Yep, wanting to use our 44th list spot on a bloke instead of leaving it empty is exactly the same as saying he’s prime Gary Ablett Sr.

 

[Mofra]

Yep, wanting to use our 44th list spot on a bloke instead of leaving it empty is exactly the same as saying he’s prime Gary Ablett Sr.

Waiting for the MSD isn't the worst strategy and one I would have gone for over a guy who is less than an even money chance to play.

Good luck to the guy. I just don't see it.

 

[TiAn_]

Well Emmett/Croft are both "teenagers" so can't play a better role

Gards despite getting drafted as a forward/ruck out of the same VFL program is a full blown dud who can't compete and our only savior if we get KPF injuries is Will Lewis

Ryan Gardner has 8 career goals in the VFL.

Will Lewis kicked 8 in 3 VFL finals last year.

Blowing a gasket over this is mind boggling to me.

 

[Mofra]

I think playing Lewis has us as a better side than if we’d played Gardner or Emmett. We want to be as competitive as possible, and need to use our list spots strategically. Can’t just arbitrarily leave it open in the hopes that the next Jai Newcombe fall in our laps. We’ve recruited enough high upside kids recently - I’m happy to go with the more reliable mature body in an area of need

I'm not so sure, given both Gardner and Emmett are taller and quicker.

 

[Pocket Terrace]

Not upset with the Will Lewis list spot. From what I saw in last year’s VFL finals series, he reminds me a lot of prime Garry Ablett Snr.

 

[TiAn_]

Waiting for the MSD isn't the worst strategy and one I would have gone for over a guy who is less than an even money chance to play.

Good luck to the guy. I just don't see it.

I just don’t see how waiting for the MSD helps us in the first half of the season? If someone gets a long term injury before then we could use a pick in the MSD anyway. Except we’d have one less player to choose from until about Rd 13.

If winning as many games as possible is our aim this year then using our last available list spot on a mature player is better than not using it.

 

[Mofra]

I just don’t see how waiting for the MSD helps us in the first half of the season? If someone gets a long term injury before then we could use a pick in the MSD anyway. Except we’d have one less player to choose from until about Rd 13.

If winning as many games as possible is our aim this year then using our last available list spot on a mature player is better than not using it.

Only if the guy is AFL standard and/or better than them back up we already have. I'm not convinced that is the case.