List Mgmt. Trade/Draft SuperMegaUltraThread - 2016 edition?

[avishka5]

Not out of preference. He gets games, seems to always be on the cusp of the 22. Doesn't really seem to be close to the axe.

he seems to be gone. They took an out of form redden to Adelaide instead of him. They will retain tunbridge over him. tunbridge brings the same intense and pysicallity he brings but also has skills, potential and youth on his side. I started off not liking tunbridge but what i saw off him in the GWS game justified their selection. Could be a great role player for us.

 

[Farang83150]

Get Lobb please and as for the Harvey to WC garbage...get real please people.

 

[wraglesweb]

Agree with you that Simpson seems to like good ball users but I am not sure Gallucci fits that brief. Write ups on Gallucci is that the jury is out on his foot skills. Good but overstated by many. I spent 10 years in Melbourne so got to know some of the people behind the Avatars and people who really follow the games and not just read stats and read other people's views. Pity we did not play Vic Metro in Perth as I only got to see Vic Metro boys on TV. You miss a lot by only watching a telecast.

Gallucci's downside is he is seen as inconsistent, failing to be damaging with his foot skills, not sticking tackles, kicking looks great but too few many of his passes end up in scores, etc. There are positives but way too many negatives to be seen as elite and there are enough elite in the first round to think WCE will not fall into this trap. The other concern is that he really has not made a position his own (a little bit like Tom Lamb). A bit of a outside mid, half back, occasional inside mid. As you probably can guess, I am not keen on him as a 1st round pick. OK as a second round but not elite at anything to be considered 1st round material.

Are you saying i just read stats etc ?

I like Gullucci think he's overs for around our 1st though. He's a good ball user he kicks on both feet and it would be hard to tell if you didn't know if he was a left or right footer

I don't go off what other people see in players i go off what i see and would never make a judgement like alot do on here if i haven't seen a few live games of the player

As i have said before i think Gallucci would be a Safe Bet for a club good speed allusive can use both feet and a good kid.

 

[wraglesweb]

I also like the look of scharenburg. What i have noticed this year is the lack of quality ball users for us inside. Shuey's has to go in and do the hard stuff now as well. In the last few weeks Sheed has joined us and Gaff is being rotated through there more often. As a result we have kinda looked like our 2015 selves. I would love Scharenburg as well.

Hopefully he's not as ACL prone as his brothers.

 

[Falco]

SPP is sitting around the second round according to most Phantoms.

First: Berry (rising up most draft boards), Scharenberg, Rotham (best available?)
Second: SPP
Third: Waterman
Fourth: Strnadica
Fifth: Ryan

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Are you saying i just read stats etc ?

I like Gullucci think he's overs for around our 1st though. He's a good ball user he kicks on both feet and it would be hard to tell if you didn't know if he was a left or right footer

I don't go off what other people see in players i go off what i see and would never make a judgement like alot do on here if i haven't seen a few live games of the player

As i have said before i think Gallucci would be a Safe Bet for a club good speed allusive can use both feet and a good kid.

Thanks for providing support behind your view.

I do find your posts often throw out a bold statement with little to support it. It really helps when you provide clarification.

Personally I have only seen Gallucci on tv this year but I have had discussions with Melbourne mates who have seen him live. Nice guy but not a 1st round elite talent.

 

[Beutbrute]

Looking towards next year we might target a young ruckman/forward. Even if we do draft one it's unusual for them to play league in the first year. Lycett will obviously be taking the ruck duties, with Giles as a backup should Lycett get injured. With this in mind we are still needing a backup ruck/forward.

Current options
Giles
McInnes
Brown

I wonder if we could get an upgrade on these players to fill the role, as there seems to be quite a few possibilities in the market this year?

Possibly on the market
Chris Dawes
Cameron Cloke
Zac Clarke
Ty Vikery (Cox would be his coach lol)
Majak Daw

I'd be thinking if we do make a play for any of these guys it would be a swap of players, rather than picks, and we would be looking at 1-2 year contract max

 

[Big_Tony]

700k

90% of Hawthorns 4 time premiership AA players aren't on that.

**** that he's worth 400-500k tops. Eddie Betts is on 500k FFS. No way Lobb is gonna kick 50 goals or help create 50 of them.

It's the expansion club tax! Any players from those clubs seem to go for way over market value. And the media will tend to inflate the price also. Regardless, he wouldn't come cheap.

 

[KamakazeSalami]

If he might be our greatest kpf ever then why would we keep him in the back line?

A fair question. For me, I see a couple of reasons, and tbh, the answer really depends on which part of the ground each of us see as relatively the most important.

I think most would agree the midfield is the most important part of the ground. But this really isn't a consideration for him, and no, he is not a f***** ruckman.

After the midfield, it's the backline for me. I acknowledge that the whole point of the game is to have a score higher than your opposition. But very hard to kick said score if you can't get it to the forwards AND you're not very good at stopping your opposition from scoring more than you.

Gov, ticks both boxes for me. We know how well he reads the play, puts himself in excellent position. We know he has mitts for hands and can take a contested grab. He plays a massive role in the second part of that equation of stopping your opposition from getting it. PARTICULARLY because our midfield can be suspect at winning the clearances/stoppages which in turn puts pressure on the backline.

The last decade or so has seen the move to attack being launched from the back half of the ground. The sweeper, the quarterback, the general... the whateveryyouwanttocallit position has become a key pillar in structuring offensively, as much as defensively. Gov is also a fantastic user of the ball. He reads the play extremely well offensively and is able to open the game up for us by quite often releasing open players with some very well executed passes. He is a key in launching our attacks. To me he is as key to our attack as Kennedy is (ok, maybe that's overstating a bit), but I just seem him very much as part of our offense, he just isn't playing in the forward half.

Taking him to the forward half, I think, under utilises his enormous talents. One....he as to depend on our mids to win the contest to get it somewhere near him. Given our midfield woes this is not something I'm confident we could achieve more often than not. So he sits up the ground and watches while the ball gets won out of the middle and gets peppered into our backline. He provides nothing in that very real scenario. Two, unlike in the backline where he is going up against forwards who are also trying to mark the ball, when we do win the contest in the middle and it heads his way, when roles are reversed the backs aren't even going to try to outmark him... they will double (and possibly triple team him) and just look to punch the f*** out of it away from him, while giving his already fragile body a working over. I just don't think we'd see him taking as many contested grabs up forward.

I guess it comes down to supply. I think there is more value in him accumulating (because he does it so well) and supplying our offense, than depending on someone else to do that for him. Moving him into the forward line makes him reactive. Keeping him in the backline makes him proactive. And don't you want to structure up so your best players have the opportunity to be proactive instead of reactive?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

whats your thoughts on Liam Ryan. Just saw someone on the DTFA board say that ryan will go undrafted. Knightmare has good wraps on him. I have seen a couple of subi games and he seems impressive. seems raw but does lack a defensive games (purely based on the couple of games i have seen). But he seems like a forward you want to complement JK and JD.

Liam Ryan - will be touch and go if he gets drafted. My expectation is a "probably" but only a rookie spot. I think this year's draft has some great depth so there will be decent options for clubs in their 4th/5th round. He is showing some consistency this year and averaging 3 goals a game. I see the likes of Adams and Yarran and think clubs can benefit from looking beyond just the 18 year olds (hell - he is only 19 turning 20 later this year).

He is going to the state combine so at least 2 clubs are interested to see how he goes. Have only seen Subiaco a couple of times this year so would be going off more of Keyser and others views. The acid test will be the finals campaign. If he can put together a couple of consistent games in finals - then he goes from a possible to more a smokey. His production is not high and he is a limited touches - maximum goals player that would suit a small forward. He does needs to improve his conversion and blow open a game in the next month. His recent output of 4.2, 4.5 and 2.3 would look so much better if it was 5.1, 6.3 and 3.2. Not sure if this is more pressure of something else as his accuracy was better earlier in the year.

 

[Keys]

Liam Ryan - will be touch and go if he gets drafted. My expectation is a "probably" but only a rookie spot. I think this year's draft has some great depth so there will be decent options for clubs in their 4th/5th round. He is showing some consistency this year and averaging 3 goals a game. I see the likes of Adams and Yarran and think clubs can benefit from looking beyond just the 18 year olds (hell - he is only 19 turning 20 later this year).

He is going to the state combine so at least 2 clubs are interested to see how he goes. Have only seen Subiaco a couple of times this year so would be going off more of Keyser and others views. The acid test will be the finals campaign. If he can put together a couple of consistent games in finals - then he goes from a possible to more a smokey. His production is not high and he is a limited touches - maximum goals player that would suit a small forward. He does needs to improve his conversion and blow open a game in the next month. His recent output of 4.2, 4.5 and 2.3 would look so much better if it was 5.1, 6.3 and 3.2. Not sure if this is more pressure of something else as his accuracy was better earlier in the year.

I've only seen Ryan twice when he's played east Perth and one other game against Souths that was televised

He's impressed me in those games especially the last game against EP when he kicked 4.5 and was the difference between the sides with his ability to score in a low scoring match (9 goals to 6)

Where he fits in the draft I have no idea simply because my knowledge of other players is nil but from what I've seen he'd be a good fit for the Eagles.

Defensive side of his game would need to be improved though

 

[wraglesweb]

Thanks for providing support behind your view.

I do find your posts often throw out a bold statement with little to support it. It really helps when you provide clarification.

Personally I have only seen Gallucci on tv this year but I have had discussions with Melbourne mates who have seen him live. Nice guy but not a 1st round elite talent.

At the moment I'm set on Jack Scrimshaw can see him developing into a midfielder similar to Bontempelli.

I hear some clubs are worried he's going to keep growing and other clubs are hoping he keeps growing depending if they see him as a Midfielder or kpd

He loves playing Midfield and has played most of his footy as a Mid but he wouldn't want to get any taller than 194cm

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

At the moment I'm set on Jack Scrimshaw can see him developing into a midfielder similar to Bontempelli.

I hear some clubs are worried he's going to keep growing and other clubs are hoping he keeps growing depending if they see him as a Midfielder or kpd

He loves playing Midfield and has played most of his footy as a Mid but he wouldn't want to get any taller than 194cm

This is a real risk reward option and would suit a club that has depth in 1st round talent such as Melbourne or Bulldogs. Are his injuries going to make him a Joel Selwood (surely he was worth the minor risk) or a Freeman/Scharenberg who are both battling to be fit enough to play a body of games. Personally I would say we are not blessed with under 22 year old first round talent since trading them out of late. I would not worry so much on him growing - it is questions on his recovery having hardly played over the last 2 years. If we were taking a risk on a a talent with an injury cloud - I would rather Jy Simpkins. A broken leg feel less that multi hip and foot.

 

[Eaglespur]

Looking towards next year we might target a young ruckman/forward. Even if we do draft one it's unusual for them to play league in the first year. Lycett will obviously be taking the ruck duties, with Giles as a backup should Lycett get injured. With this in mind we are still needing a backup ruck/forward.

Current options
Giles
McInnes
Brown

I wonder if we could get an upgrade on these players to fill the role, as there seems to be quite a few possibilities in the market this year?

Possibly on the market
Chris Dawes
Cameron Cloke
Zac Clarke
Ty Vikery (Cox would be his coach lol)
Majak Daw

I'd be thinking if we do make a play for any of these guys it would be a swap of players, rather than picks, and we would be looking at 1-2 year contract max

Been awhile since I've seen Cameron Cloke play, is he in good touch ? Hasnt played for half a decade

 

[Beutbrute]

Been awhile since I've seen Cameron Cloke play, is he in good touch ? Hasnt played for half a decade

I was just making sure everyone was awake
Yeah that should be Travis

 

[wraglesweb]

This is a real risk reward option and would suit a club that has depth in 1st round talent such as Melbourne or Bulldogs. Are his injuries going to make him a Joel Selwood (surely he was worth the minor risk) or a Freeman/Scharenberg who are both battling to be fit enough to play a body of games. Personally I would say we are not blessed with under 22 year old first round talent since trading them out of late. I would not worry so much on him growing - it is questions on his recovery having hardly played over the last 2 years. If we were taking a risk on a a talent with an injury cloud - I would rather Jy Simpkins. A broken leg feel less that multi hip and foot.

I see your point but wouldn't hurt to take risk now and then.

We are conservative club hence why i think we would go a safe bet like or similar too Gallucci

I think Scrimshaw is a better talent than Simpkins by the way

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I see your point but wouldn't hurt to take risk now and then.

We are conservative club hence why i think we would go a safe bet like or similar too Gallucci

I think Scrimshaw is a better talent than Simpkins by the way

I would prefer Jarrod Berry or Tim Taranto to either of Simpkin or Gallucci. There is some pretty good talent that will be available at a mid teens pick so we should be able to get quality. I see decent quality lasting all the way through to the early 3rd round.

 

[DickDunn]

SPP reminds me a bit of Dustin Martin (although that might just be the haircut). Skills are a bit of a worry but super exciting and hard at the contest.

 

[The Dodger]

I guess it comes down to supply. I think there is more value in him accumulating (because he does it so well) and supplying our offense, than depending on someone else to do that for him. Moving him into the forward line makes him reactive. Keeping him in the backline makes him proactive. And don't you want to structure up so your best players have the opportunity to be proactive instead of reactive?

Good Post. I too like to dream that we would be in a position to play him forward but until other people on our team learn to read the play like him he is more valuable down back. We have a top shelf key forward and while it would be good to have 2 then we would have very bare KPD stocks as only Barrass has been in good form with Schofield hanging in there and Mackenzie just not up to it still.

 

[wraglesweb]

I would prefer Jarrod Berry or Tim Taranto to either of Simpkin or Gallucci. There is some pretty good talent that will be available at a mid teens pick so we should be able to get quality. I see decent quality lasting all the way through to the early 3rd round.

I rate Berry.

Taranto is good too but i worry about his Midfield ability.

Is dangerous around the goals though

 

[WCErevival]

SPP is sitting around the second round according to most Phantoms.

First: Berry (rising up most draft boards), Scharenberg, Rotham (best available?)
Second: SPP
Third: Waterman
Fourth: Strnadica
Fifth: Ryan

This is the problem with SPP. He is probably worth in between our first 2 picks. If we want him we risk losing him using our second but may pay too much with our first.

 

[frenchconnection]

Lol @ being 22 year old Jaeger O'Meara and limiting yourself to one girl

It happens - have a cousin (been happily married for over 30 years now) and she and her husband started going out together whilst teenagers and neither have ever gone out with anybody else!! Ever!!

 

[2006_Eagles]

It happens - have a cousin (been happily married for over 30 years now) and she and her husband started going out together whilst teenagers and neither have ever gone out with anybody else!! Ever!!

I find it a bit creepy when highschool sweethearts get married. There's a whole world to experience out there!

 

[Avalor]

SPP is sitting around the second round according to most Phantoms.

First: Berry (rising up most draft boards), Scharenberg, Rotham (best available?)
Second: SPP
Third: Waterman
Fourth: Strnadica
Fifth: Ryan

We will be taking a developing ruckman in there somewhere. English, maybe, if he lasts.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

This is the problem with SPP. He is probably worth in between our first 2 picks. If we want him we risk losing him using our second but may pay too much with our first.

Then someone needs to whisper in his ear that he needs to come across as a reluctant traveller to an interstate club, ie do a Wingard. That would be enough to let him slip to our second.
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