List Mgmt. Trade Week 2016 - Live Thread

[BOND 007]

I'm happy with our trades - especially that we didn't chase players with our early draft picks and kept those picks instead. It would have been nice to improve those picks but as you've alluded to in other posts we didn't really have much available to achieve such a trade.

Can I ask if you are aware of how close, if at all, we came to trading for Ballantyne? My suspicion is that we barely considered it and the whole thing was just media noise

Little to no interest

 

[SpaceClef]

"We could have done other trades. I can't tell you what they would have been, but other clubs did so we could have as well."

The classic BF comeback.

Do you honestly think the recruiting team exhausted all potential trade opportunities but couldn't figure out something?

Here's one: Masten for a second round pick.

Now you're going to say "well he's under contract, and what if he doesn't want to go". Well that's for the recruiting team to sort out and not something I can possibly do from this standpoint. But it's an idea. You can't win when proposing hypothetical trades and you simply invite a shitstorm of replies from people with differing opinions of a player's worth.

Another one is a three way with Brisbane and Gold Coast involving our first pick, Brisbane's pick 21, Hanley and Gold Coast's pick 26 and some steak knives. GC did something similar with WB.

Or we could do what one of the teams did and trade our 2017 second rounder for a team's 2016 second rounder, hoping that they will gamble on us dropping down the ladder.

I don't freakin know what is possible - I can spend hours of my time at work looking at the lists, picks, and contract statuses of all other clubs to come up with hypothetical trades. But the hypotheticals we come up with are never going to come close to the mark because we are not involved.

But I'm sure if the club wanted to improve their draft potential they would have - I am certain that they just valued retaining their senior players and retaining pick 12 as opposed to splitting it into multiple lower picks.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If anything, this was the draft to throw everything in and maximise picks. Trading out next years first rounder for multiple picks etc. The players we draft this year can develop and by the time our older players retire in 2-3 years, the 2016 draftees are ready to go straight away. 3 picks in the top 100 is disappointing considering what is available.

Trading out what could potentially be a top 10 pick in next year's draft (which is supposedly just as strong as this year's) for extra picks this year would be a horrible call IMO

 

[RookiePick]

I'm not saying he's necessarily done the right thing but he's gone all in with this list. It's his 4th year as coach and early days he had the excuse that he inherited the list so could only work with what he had.

That excuse is gone, he's had the opportunity to make assessments of each players ability and to make changes accordingly. He's stayed with this group so if they serve up the same heartless crap they did at times this year then he deserves to be judged harshly for it

Umm...Simpson has participated in 2 draft/trade periods with this as the third. I don't think posters realise how few options Simpson has had to change things up due to our poor drafting 2011/12 - he pretty much has to back the list in. We've had no AFL ready bodies to put pressure on senior player form, limited capacity to trade senior players for improved draft position know we have solid players from this age group to move to B22, limited capacity to trade AFL ready players from the group for picks.

Simpson has drafted hard on mids since arriving and is clearly trying to push games into Nelson and Duggan. Barrass has moved into B22 calculations. Jetta, Redden and now Mitchell have been traded to bolster the midfield. Simpson has also exhibited a desire to play Tunbridge when available. The desire to address our shortcomings is plain as day. Jetta and Redden flopped hard, which hurt, we had a harder draw and yet Simpson has taken us to consecutive 16 win seasons.

 

[Nev57]

I'm sure there was a quote from Vozzo about a week in that they hadn't fielded much interest for him.

He is clearly worth something, but if teams weren't offering a pick higher than say 30, I think he's worth more to us than a speculative draft pick.

Especially with Brown leaving and there being literally no other key defensive depth on the list.

I think the fact that he was on 600k a year may have had something to do with clubs backing off he is 29 now and hes always gonna want to stay if his 2017 contract is for 600k

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[Chris_6678]

Little to no interest

Did we put Schofield and Masten up for trade like Brad Hardie suggested? Masten i would have been fine with but i think Schoey offers the team a lot.

 

[Agent93]

Thoughts?

Don't screw the pooch like we did in the 2011 draft. 49 games from all national and rookie drafted players from that year. Two players active, but don't look like developing.

I think the main reason we couldn't improve our 2nd or 3rd rounders was simply due to clubs not liking anything we were prepared to give away.

 

[Biggie]

Little to no interest

Good.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The classic BF comeback.

Do you honestly think the recruiting team exhausted all potential trade opportunities but couldn't figure out something?

Every possible permutation? No. But with a team of however many people working full time on it for the last two weeks plus all the prep during the season, I'm willing to bet they had quite a few options that got floated.

Masten wouldn't have agreed to a trade, correct. And if he's as expendable as everyone on here seems to think he is then why would some other club fork out handsomely for him?

 

[SpaceClef]

Every possible permutation? No. But with a team of however many people working full time on it for the last two weeks plus all the prep during the season, I'm willing to bet they had quite a few options that got floated.

Masten wouldn't have agreed to a trade, correct. And if he's as expendable as everyone on here seems to think he is then why would some other club fork out handsomely for him?

I don't think they'd "fork out handsomely" but they would pay a late second rounder/early third rounder which I would be satisfied with, this draft is as good as it supposedly is.

This is why proposing trades is a waste of time, because it devolves into a debate about a player's 'value', which misses the point that I'm sure we could have got more draft picks if we wanted to.

And arguing on here makes it look like I'm complaining about the trade period - I'm bloody stoked that we didn't use our early picks to trade in players. And I'm stoked that we got Mitchell.

Just hope our drafting is more 2010 than 2011

 

[liam123]

1) Trading players assume other clubs want them
2) Trading picks (I assume 1 forward & 1 back) may create a problem when F/s involved. There is also an issue pertaining to the total no of picks you need if you intend further delistings
3) Trading future picks assume you have no interest in that years draft & that is incorrect.

There are a no of clubs who have decided to roll the dice on the here & now. Not so sure that's the best strategy[/QUOTE]
I really hope that this is the thought at west coast. To me trading out future picks is kind of like overspending on your credit card. Only works out a good idea if you win the lottery.

 

[RookiePick]

I...
Just hope our drafting is more 2010 than 2011

I think that is something we can all get behind.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

What happens if the kids you want are likely to be there at 12 but gone by 20?

Exactly - Our Pick 12 is actually only the 5th pick held by a non academy club.

We can assume GWS want McGrath hence pushing up to pick 2 and will then want Setterfield and Perryman using some of their 6,700 points to take them. If GWS do not take their adacemy talent, the Vic clubs will demand an inquiry and accelerate the dropping of the Riverina zone for academies. They also have the standard list numbers - not sure how many they can take.

Suns hold the key for us. They will want talent but they will have to ensure they get the right guys who will stay. Bowes will be one of the picks before us - they hold 4, 6, 8 and 10. SSP is seen as a major flight risk - will they risk it? Vic country boys seem to be less likely to go home so watch out for Bordie and Ainsworth, English is a country WA so a good pick even though they have loads of talls, etc.

What will Frao do? If they have SSP and English, which one?

Non Academy before us are Essendon at 1, Carlton 5, Freo 7, Norf at 11. Draft night is going to be interesting.

 

[Matele]

Keyser Soze is famous.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I don't think they'd "fork out handsomely" but they would pay a late second rounder/early third rounder which I would be satisfied with, this draft is as good as it supposedly is.

Would we have gotten more than Adelaide got for Lyons? They got pick 43 and change. Even in a strong draft pick 43 isn't a guarantee of getting something useable.

And bear in mind that if a club starts shopping a player they're not going to get full value for him. Just look at Mitchell and Lewis.

This is why proposing trades is a waste of time, because it devolves into a debate about a player's 'value', which misses the point that I'm sure we could have got more draft picks if we wanted to.

This is the point that actually bugs me. "I'm sure we could have got more draft picks if we wanted to" is just a blanket statement that you've got no real basis for making. We have no actual way of knowing whether the club was desperately scrambling for more picks and getting met with brick walls at every turn, or whether they were happy to sit back and hold the cards they had, because they don't release that sort of strategy publicly.

 

[avishka5]

Keyser Soze is famous.

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Gave him a sneaky follow the other day, yet to get a follow back

 

[Art OF war]

If Josh Caddy is only worth a second round pick (for next year), I dare say Masten is a 3rd or 4th round.

 

[Milenko]

I'm really surprised Collingwood didn't target eMac

1. They just lost Nathan Brown
2. He has consistently performed well against them (shutting down Cloke repeatedly)
3. Lynden Dunn is an absolute crab

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I'm really surprised Collingwood didn't target eMac

1. They just lost Nathan Brown
2. He has consistently performed well against them (shutting down Cloke repeatedly)
3. Lynden Dunn is an absolute crab

Salary was probably a factor after bringing in Wells and Mayne on stupid money.

 

[Ochre]

Keyser Soze is famous.

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That could be any Keyser.

 

[Keys]

I'm really surprised Collingwood didn't target eMac

1. They just lost Nathan Brown
2. He has consistently performed well against them (shutting down Cloke repeatedly)
3. Lynden Dunn is an absolute crab

They didn't have a lot of currency especially since they have two f/s selections they want to bring in this year and they traded their first rounder last year as part of the treloar deal

Also spent their salary cap on Mayne and wells

 

[Bestbird]

I'm really surprised Collingwood didn't target eMac

1. They just lost Nathan Brown
2. He has consistently performed well against them (shutting down Cloke repeatedly)
3. Lynden Dunn is an absolute crab

Emacs contract size made it difficult. Doesn't help that they paid overs for Mayne and wells salary wise

 

[Agent93]

Non Academy before us are Essendon at 1, Carlton 5, Freo 7, Norf at 11. Draft night is going to be interesting.

Let's say no-one bids on Bowes or Setterfield in the top 4. At worst Carlton bid on Bowes at 5, meaning GC have to use pick 8 to take him. They still have 2 picks prior to us.

GWS are probably hoping Setterfield slides, but it's likely with their 6700 points they end up with one of the Mc's at #2 and use the remaining ~4200 points on the 2 academy boys. I still reckon they go top 10.

Surely Freo don't pass up English. You'd have to think that's why they considered trading down.

 

[Keys]

Gave him a sneaky follow the other day, yet to get a follow back

Happy now?

 

[Marlin01]

I, for one, am bloody glad we didn't sell Mackenzie for a second-round pick upgrade. There's every chance Mackenzie will return to his best form next season, which is worth far more than what we'd have got.