Trade Week thoughts?

[Stoney]

There have been plenty of threads going around about needing to offload Steve Johnson, James Kelly, Shannon Byrnes, Charlie Gardiner etc...

Lets be realistic however - James Kelly will not be traded!

And Charlie Gardiner will not net us anything from another club, so it's a case of either keep Charlie for another season (which I am in favour of) or delist him (which most of u are in favour of)

That leaves Steve Johnson and Shagga.

I can see both of these players being offered around come trade week, however the question is what do we really want in return?

Aker is out of the question - Brisbane don't want a forward who plays for himself, therefore thats a no go. In order to have any chance of getting Aker we'd have to part with James Kelly which 1) wont happen, and 2) i'd prefer Kelly for 8-9 seasons over Aker for 3.

Clubs I can see who would look at Johnson are Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond, and the Western Bulldogs.

If Essendon cannot get Aker, I dare say their interest in Steve Johnson will be quite high. Bare in mind their first round pick will not be given, and most likely their second wont be given either.

I think a mid-late 2nd rounder or early 3rd rounder would be what we would be after pick-wise for Steve Johnson.

Players from those Melbourne-based clubs that we could look at could include:

Brad Fisher (Carlton)
Medium sized forward with strong hands, has been cut down by injury at Carlton but should go on to be a quality player over a long period of time. Could slot in nicely accross Half Forward, however would make Mackie of lesser importance, as they are similar players, however Fisher would be of greater value.

VERDICT - Carlton would play hard ball, despite Johnson being sometimes brilliant - Fisher's potential isn't far behind. Doubtful.

Jason Laycock (Essendon)
Tall marking forward/ruckman. Similar role to what Ottens plays now, however still has plenty of time up his sleeve to develop into a good tall option whether up forward or in the ruck. Injuries have cut him down this season.

VERDICT - I wouldn't be surprised if he was within reach, I can remember he was linked to Geelong in the draft a couple of seasons back, but we opted for Kane Tenace under the "best available player" tactic. But at the moment he seems to be another middle of the run Henry Playfair, Nathan Ablett, Matthew McCarthy type, probably not worth pursuing.

Mark Johnson (Essendon)
Former runner-up in Essendon's Best and Fairest, his name has been thrown around the past 2 years come trade week, however this season hasn't been fantastic for MJ. With Essendon's rebuilding - Mark Johnson could be on the table, and well within reason. The question is - would we want him? I would, as a Half Back ahead of Callen, David Johnson and co.

This backline looks the goods

B: Joshua Hunt - Matthew Scarlett - Tom Harley
HB: Mark Johnson - Matthew Egan - David Wojcinski

He is also versitle, which means he could rotate with Milburn between the forward and backlines depending on matchups.

Brad Miller (Melbourne)
Out of favour with some at Demonland after a poor season, has alot of potential and will be a good CHF / CHB in time. Runs hard at the ball (and the man) - somewhat like Cameron Mooney's attack on the contest, could be a chance to leave Melbourne.

VERDICT - Unlikely, even if he did leave Melbourne I would tip he would return to Qld, could be involved in the Akermanis deal. Brisbane would also be in the hunt with Leppa and Mal Michael moving on - leaves a hole in the KP defenders.

Tom Williams (Western Bulldogs)
Tall, agile player drafted in the top 10 a couple of seasons back. Has had a knee-reconstruction and a foot fracture delay his AFL career, but given a lucky break (so to speak), he could be a very, very good player.

VERDICT - Despite his injuries, the Western Bulldogs would want to hang onto him with the obvious lack on KP depth.

Sam Power (Western Bulldogs)
Hasn't cut it at AFL level with the Bulldogs, this was the roughie of the bunch, could a change of club ignite something deep inside this guy? An obvious talent who just seems to lack the flare that his brother Luke (of Brisbane) is reknowned for.

VERDICT - We probably would not be interested, but I just thought I'd raise the point.

What are ur thoughts on what we should persue in a possible Steve Johnson trade? Please NOTE - I wasnt suggesting we should trade Steve Johnson for Sam Power - as I would obviously prefer Steve Johnson, however perhaps Williams and Power could be of some appeal.

 

[scottydeewah]

MArk Johnson, have wanted him for years. Would go alright at catland I think.

 

[Jack-Packenham]

Get as many top 40 picks as we can. If that means unloading guys like S Johnson Kelly Playfair Kingsley Ling Enright Byrnes Mackie then we should do it. Mark Johnson would have been great a couple of years ago but I think he is on the downhill slide.

 

[Mooney_d'King]

Get as many top 40 picks as we can. If that means unloading guys like S Johnson Kelly Playfair Kingsley Ling Enright Byrnes Mackie then we should do it. Mark Johnson would have been great a couple of years ago but I think he is on the downhill slide.

Enright, Jack? Seriously??

 

[year of the cat]

The one you failed to mention in your list was KK. He will/already has attracted interest from other club/s. None of the players you mentioned are of any interest to me. By the way it was Bradley not Laycock that Geelong were touted to be interested in but he was picked by the Bombers with the preceding pick. Laycock was in the Mackie draft.

 

[Belly]

Watch the Laycock play, slowest player i have possibley ever seen, runs for maybe 10 seconds before he gets tired and stops... But the guy has great hands and is an absolute gun. He is a super intelligent footballer, unreal in contested situations and gets himself in the right spot always. I rate this guy very very highley, futre superstar. Would be absolutely over the moon if Geelong got him.

 

[Turbocat]

Get as many top 40 picks as we can. If that means unloading guys like S Johnson Kelly Playfair Kingsley Ling Enright Byrnes Mackie then we should do it. Mark Johnson would have been great a couple of years ago but I think he is on the downhill slide.

I basically agree with you Jack , if we could get 5-6 picks with the last being TommmyH we would be in a Prime A1 position when both Tom and Nathan have enough experience to really generate a real power side.

Enright would have value and to many names without value are often thrown around. Byrnes and Mackie may create some interest, although Id want a very good trade for Mackie , I really think he is on the verge of becoming a regular.
If the a pick in the 20's gets offered for H then we will have to serious consider it and Steve J must know that in this day and age a player that pulls up sore after every 2nd match is not much good to anyone. Maybe a trade to side that doesnt play at the Dome would be best for him.
It all just depends on interest , no player could whinge this year , our result has ensureed that blood must be shed.

 

[catempire]

S Johnson Kelly Playfair Kingsley Ling Enright Byrnes Mackie

It's all very well to say you'd trade these players for picks under 40, but you must first make an assessment as to whether you are likely to get a player in the draft with that pick who will be better than the player you are letting go.

I don't think you could say with any degree of certainty that pick 40 would be an adequate replacement for any of those players. Kingsley maybe. Byrnes maybe. Ling and Enright - give me a break.

 

[year of the cat]

I basically agree with you Jack , if we could get 5-6 picks with the last being TommmyH we would be in a Prime A1 position when both Tom and Nathan have enough experience to really generate a real power side.

Enright would have value and to many names without value are often thrown around. Byrnes and Mackie may create some interest, although Id want a very good trade for Mackie , I really think he is on the verge of becoming a regular.
If the a pick in the 20's gets offered for H then we will have to serious consider it and Steve J must know that in this day and age a player that pulls up sore after every 2nd match is not much good to anyone. Maybe a trade to side that doesnt play at the Dome would be best for him.
It all just depends on interest , no player could whinge this year , our result has ensureed that blood must be shed.

Don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater though....I would definitely get rid of Kingsley and one of either SJ or Mackie. You can't just trade away everyone at once and remain competitive. Unless we are offered something amazing for Kelly I wouldn't consider trading him - he may well reverse his form next year under a new coach. If we could get ONE more pick in the early second round we have done well.

 

[Champ39]

Get as many top 40 picks as we can. If that means unloading guys like S Johnson Kelly Playfair Kingsley Ling Enright Byrnes Mackie then we should do it. Mark Johnson would have been great a couple of years ago but I think he is on the downhill slide.

Why don't you just trade the whole bloody team?

 

[DanA]

Midfield is not right with; Ling, Bartel, Corey & Kelly. They are all slow medium size extractors.

Corey is a gun
Bartel is a gun
Ling is solid & Vice Captain
Kelly is ok but still young enough to become a good player

We need to trade 1 and it ain't Corey, Bartel or Ling. It is not that anyone thinks he is worthless, it is just that the midfield structure isn't right with him.

It makes no sense to keep Gardiner when we have; McCarthy, Playfair, Mooney, Ottens and probably Hawkin all in front of him. Grima is probably not too far off being infront of him either. What is the upside in keeping him on the list?

 

[nananana catman]

I think our activity in trade week will depend on what happens to Bomber. If he stays on a few more years then there could be some guys like Kelly, Johnson and Byrnes that get traded.

However if a new coach takes over they may well make limitedchanges during trade week to give some guys like them who could come good, a season to see what they are made of.

It happens so often that a guy like Kelly will come good under a new coach.

Guys like McCarthy, Gardiner and Byrnes who have major deficincies and never shown much, will of course get the chop though.

 

[DBAH0]

The likes of Meesen, Dunn, Peake could also be possible targets.

But I agree with the thoughts of getting as many early picks as possible. I'd prefer the likes of Steve Johnson out the door.

 

[Reg Hickey]

Kingsley for Eagleton.

They need a KP forward, and have the midfield foot skills to feed Kent properly. If they left him at FF for 22 games he would kick 60 goals for them, which is a good return in anyone's book.

Eagleton is exactly the sort of quick, ball-carrying midfielder we really need. Play him on a wing, have him run through the middle like Woja did at Manuka last week, but with the added advantage that he has excellent foot skills, can hit targets and can definitely kick goals (which hasn't been a strenght of our midfield). And they have loads of similar types who are younger like Cooney, Griffen, Gia, Gilbee, Ray, etc, etc.

They are both about the same age, with a similar time left in their careers.

Its a very rare true win-win.

 

[bigjohnny]

I think McDougall could get a great pick up for us. Very good forward and i have no idea why West Coast dont play him every week. I remember a game he played 2 years ago kicked 5 and look awsome. He is a good kick at goal and is a full forward i think looking at him would be a great idea plus we could trade get him for a good price because West Coast will not play him

 

[Turbocat]

Don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater though....I would definitely get rid of Kingsley and one of either SJ or Mackie. You can't just trade away everyone at once and remain competitive. Unless we are offered something amazing for Kelly I wouldn't consider trading him - he may well reverse his form next year under a new coach. If we could get ONE more pick in the early second round we have done well.

I agree , Im not advocating for them all to be traded but I do think its time for a bit of a chop. Id rather Enright before Mackie but we need some speed and lightning they are not.

 

[thegerman]

Good idea's, however no way is Mark Johnson coming over. Plus we have players that when fully developed can be better. First of all, we need Hunt and Wojak playing at the HB flanks, why have a guy who can kick the ball 60m playing on the full back line. Put him on the flank, gives the long kicker a shot of putting it inside 50 more often.

Second point - We must trade this season, and do it strongly. In the past we have had a dip, but sometimes not strong enough. We need to cut our losses with players and make harder decisions earlier.

Agree with the first comment that Kelly will likely not go, probably not Johnson either. KK is a good trade option, he does still hold value, just not with us. The coaching staff see how good Ottens is starting to play, and are hoping that he can continue and dominate a game.

Gardiner will be dropped, 1 game short of the 50. Macarthy is that close, yet can't get a good run. Poor ball disposal to him, and sometimes just poor play has meant he won't get another run at GFC. He will be de-listed or traded for a 3-4 rounder.

Playfair will be certainly kept, his play at the end of last year was good, and with a fair amount of end season off, for a good pre-season start will allow him to show us something next year.

We have some great options in the magoo's, lets start using them !! Drop guys that aren't showing promise bring in the guys who are starving for a run.



We need guys like Prismall, Byrne, Gamble and Callan to get a run. When these guys mature they will be great players for us. Varcoe, haven't seen him, but from what I've heard he is like silk, and when he is fully fit and firing will be a huge bonus. Let's just hope his ankle doesn't end up like SJ's.

 

[thegerman]

I agree , Im not advocating for them all to be traded but I do think its time for a bit of a chop. Id rather Enright before Mackie but we need some speed and lightning they are not.

Are you sick of Enright getting 30+ disposals a game ?? Mackie is absolute dog poo in comparison to Enright. Corey is a very good and an severly under-rated player.

 

[thegerman]

I basically agree with you Jack , if we could get 5-6 picks with the last being TommmyH we would be in a Prime A1 position when both Tom and Nathan have enough experience to really generate a real power side.

Enright would have value and to many names without value are often thrown around. Byrnes and Mackie may create some interest, although Id want a very good trade for Mackie , I really think he is on the verge of becoming a regular.

Get off the Mackie grass, he is not good, picks up disposals in JUNK time. Makes bad errors that cost goals, especially under pressure. Too slight to take a hard hit.

Mackie has had a huge amount of time to develop, yet still isn't there. It's time to say good by to the weakest link.

 

[costanza23]

I like the Kingsley to the WB for Eagleton, but the bulldogs wont give him up. Peake from Fremantle looks alright. I think Geelong will have only 1 or 2 trades this year. They'll probably be Kingsley and S. Johnson or Kelly.

 

[Reg Hickey]

Chatting to a mate today who is well connected to the Dockers, and tells me that Peake is very highly rated. I don't think they'll give him up easily.

 

[shahla_selena]

I think Mark Johnson could be fanstastic for us, however I can't see Essendon letting go of him. Unless he really wanted to come to our club - isn't he DJ's bro????? It might lift them both playing together, who knows. I also can't see us getting rid of Kelly. I think he would attract a better player in a trade compared to Gardiner or McCarthy or SJ, but I just can't see the cats giving up on him yet. I actually doubt we would get anything or anyone worthwhile for Gardiner or McCarthy, I think delisting them is looking like a good option. One thing's for sure, things are going to get very interesting at the end of the season.....

 

[Dellvion]

They won't trade Steve Johnson, he the surprise factor, he just needs to use it more. I rekon trading Mark Johnson here would be silly. We have enough defenders and he is getting older now, not exactly what we need. Mackie is still pretty young, some players don't reach thier peek till thier older and Kelly, well if they get a good deal I would trade him, as there are plenty of midfielders.

 

[Live in hope]

Not sure why you would contemplating trading Enright - has been one of most consistent over the last two years.

The Kingsley for Eagleton would be good.

Unless we could pick up a very quick/great pass player - an area of weakness for us - I wouldn't be trading any of today's team.

Whatever we do - let's not trade any draft picks for slow or poorly skilled or injured players.

 

[DBAH0]

They won't trade Steve Johnson, he the surprise factor, he just needs to use it more. I rekon trading Mark Johnson here would be silly. We have enough defenders and he is getting older now, not exactly what we need. Mackie is still pretty young, some players don't reach thier peek till thier older and Kelly, well if they get a good deal I would trade him, as there are plenty of midfielders.

I read a few days ago that Cresswell was great mates with Nick Davis.

Now I'm just saying if Cressa does indeed become our next coach, the chances of Davis moving to Geelong maybe greater than you think.

You have to remember with Steve Johnson, his ankles are pretty much done. So if you could get any type of value for him in terms of a 2nd round pick, or a trade up with our 1st pick e.g Essendon's 1st for our 1st and SJ, I would jump at it.

For our defenders, we need RUNNERS. We need more Lindsay Gilbee type of defenders who can run and create. Andrejs Everitt for a 2nd round pick (if he fell that far which would be doubtful) would be a good target.