Trading the #1 pick

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Neales name keeps being floated around this place.
Do Freo reckon there fine without him next year?

He is uncontracted and has put negotiations on hold, rumoured to want to return to Melbourne so Freo will want to get as much for him as possible.

 

[eth-dog]

Gaff, Heppell, Goddard & Zaharakis.

Talk about flock of seagulls.

 

[tom1197]

He is uncontracted and has put negotiations on hold, rumoured to want to return to Melbourne so Freo will want to get as much for him as possible.

True the key forward hole is still gaping
Should somewhat fix that this trade period though

 

[ArjenTheGreat]

Sorry mate, was a bit bayish. I just had a mental image of Essendon going long up the guts from a kick in - Hurley takes a contested mark at CHB and all four of them running into one another going for the same handball receive.

 

[grouse mate]

He is uncontracted and has put negotiations on hold, rumoured to want to return to Melbourne so Freo will want to get as much for him as possible.

He's not from anywhere near Melbourne.

 

[tom1197]

He's not from anywhere near Melbourne.

hes not from anywhere near Perth

 

[eth-dog]

Sorry mate, was a bit bayish. I just had a mental image of Essendon going long up the guts from a kick in - Hurley takes a contested mark at CHB and all four of them running into one another going for the same handball receive.

Have no problem with it being on the bay, but Heppell and Zaka aren't exactly soft. Heppell averaged 5 clearances a game the past 2 years and Zaka is our best contested ball winner this year.

In all seriousness, we'd be targeting something like a young-ish (under 26) gun OOC player and their first round pick. I'd only put Lachie Neale, Dion Prestia, Tom McDonald, Tom Mitchell and Andrew Gaff in that bracket.

You can rule out McDonald (Melbourne traded first round pick this year) and Tom Mitchell (he won't leave). So that leaves Neale (meh, doesn't have the explosiveness I'd like), Prestia (would very much consider this) and Gaff (heard we were very interested in him in his draft year).

I'd take pick 1 for Prestia and pick 8 (Melbourne's first). I'd take pick 1 and Howlett for Gaff, pick 12 and pick 30. Howlett is mentioned because I've heard both Perth clubs have offers in front of him.

 

[grouse mate]

hes not from anywhere near Perth

What is your point? Read the post i replied to.

 

[tom1197]

Have no problem with it being on the bay, but Heppell and Zaka aren't exactly soft. Heppell averaged 5 clearances a game the past 2 years and Zaka is our best contested ball winner this year.

In all seriousness, we'd be targeting something like a young-ish (under 26) gun OOC player and their first round pick. I'd only put Lachie Neale, Dion Prestia, Tom McDonald, Tom Mitchell and Andrew Gaff in that bracket.

You can rule out McDonald (Melbourne traded first round pick this year) and Tom Mitchell (he won't leave). So that leaves Neale (meh, doesn't have the explosiveness I'd like), Prestia (would very much consider this) and Gaff (heard we were very interested in him in his draft year).

I'd take pick 1 for Prestia and pick 8 (Melbourne's first). I'd take pick 1 and Howlett for Gaff, pick 12 and pick 30. Howlett is mentioned because I've heard both Perth clubs have offers in front of him.

Aren't you more after a key forward support for Daniher than a midfielder.
Seeing as there probably isn't a key forward standout at the real top end of the draft also.
Tim Watson said they were after a forward type, yes I know he's not the club but he's a respected guy who knows he's stuff

 

[eth-dog]

Aren't you more after a key forward support for Daniher than a midfielder.
Seeing as there probably isn't a key forward standout at the real top end of the draft also.
Tim Watson said they were after a forward type, yes I know he's not the club but he's a respected guy who knows he's stuff

We are, but I don't see the quality there on the open market. Barring Hogan, that is, if he's not going to Freo. I'd rather get a pick downgrade and look at Todd Marshall (who is rated pretty highly).

 

[tom1197]

We are, but I don't see the quality there on the open market. Barring Hogan, that is, if he's not going to Freo. I'd rather get a pick downgrade and look at Todd Marshall (who is rated pretty highly).

Reckon Giants are the ones to deal with.
Patton is worth a real try.
Steele and Patton would be well unders for mine.

 

[Teeko]

Have no problem with it being on the bay, but Heppell and Zaka aren't exactly soft. Heppell averaged 5 clearances a game the past 2 years and Zaka is our best contested ball winner this year.

In all seriousness, we'd be targeting something like a young-ish (under 26) gun OOC player and their first round pick. I'd only put Lachie Neale, Dion Prestia, Tom McDonald, Tom Mitchell and Andrew Gaff in that bracket.

You can rule out McDonald (Melbourne traded first round pick this year) and Tom Mitchell (he won't leave). So that leaves Neale (meh, doesn't have the explosiveness I'd like), Prestia (would very much consider this) and Gaff (heard we were very interested in him in his draft year).

I'd take pick 1 for Prestia and pick 8 (Melbourne's first). I'd take pick 1 and Howlett for Gaff, pick 12 and pick 30. Howlett is mentioned because I've heard both Perth clubs have offers in front of him.

I think our best case scenario would be to get a good established mid like Prestia, and then draft one of Marshall/Battle. I would be worried that both would be gone by pick 8 though, so I would try add something (maybe Hibberd) and get the Suns first pick.

 

[Rack Watts]

Essendon should keep it and unless they receive an amazing offer i'm sure that's what they will do.

They need a positive news story after what they've been through and giving their fans the no.1 pick will help ease the pain a bit.

With the number 1 pick, comes the wooden spoon, we have the current record for the longest streak without one (1933). Not many Essendon supporters want that.

When was the last time that the number 1 draft pick ended up being the best player in the draft?

I'd rather just have pick 2-3 and let Dodoro work his magic.

 

[eth-dog]

Reckon Giants are the ones to deal with.
Patton is worth a real try.
Steele and Patton would be well unders for mine.

I'm not a big fan of the General. In the few games I've seen of him this year he hasn't exactly been fantastic (Geelong first game and Hawthorn in particular).

I think our best case scenario would be to get a good established mid like Prestia, and then draft one of Marshall/Battle. I would be worried that both would be gone by pick 8 though, so I would try add something (maybe Hibberd) and get the Suns first pick.

With the current draft order (if we do that trade) I reckon we'd be looking at:

Pick 1 (GWS): Harrison Macreadie (GC bid)
Pick 2 (GC): Hugh McCluggage
Pick 3 (Brisbane): Will Brodie
Pick 4 (GC): Jack Bowes (Fremantle bid)
Pick 5 (Fremantle): Sam Petrevski-Seton
Pick 6 (Richmond): Josh Battle
Pick 7 (GWS): Will Setterfield (St. Kilda bid)
Pick 8 (GWS): Harry Perryman (St. Kilda bid)
Pick 9 (St. Kilda): Josh Rotham
Pick 10 (Essendon): Todd Marshall

 

[Ants]

Much like St Kilda before they took McCartin, I can't see anyone offering Essendon enough to make it worth their while. The sole exception is if Essendon is only looking for multiple first round picks (no players), in which case the Gold Coast or GWS might be interested.

Well to begin with, I always thought St Kilda was silly not to take that deal. The rumour was that it would be two of picks 4, 6 and 7. They could have got Wright instead of McCartin (and I said that before the draft, not just with hindsight) to fill their KP forward need plus another top young player. Sure, one or both could be duds but the same applies to pick #1.

Personally, I'm all for trading pick #1 if we get the right deal. There are a couple of proviso's with that this year, some that work for us and some against. They are:

1. GCS and GWS both have a plethora of picks before guys like McCarthy, Prestia, Steele potentially ask to leave. The Suns go to the draft with Melbourne's round 1 pick, Freo, Port and Richmond's round 2 picks (currently 4, 8, 21, 22, 23, 28, 40). GWS have Collingwood and Geelong's first rounders and Adelaide's second (currently 7, 13, 16, 29, 31, 49). So a lot of currency if they did decide they had too many points already.
2. The academy picks could work in Essendon's favour. There are a number of very highly rated academy kids. If either GCS or GWS expect a player to be bid on prior to their first pick (quite possible based on current ratings) then there very good top picks (currently #4, #8 for GCS, #7, #13 for GWS) are lost as they're used for points. However, if they have a pick before their player gets nominated (which pick #1 guarantees), they get that top rated youngster AND their academy kids. So there is a lot of value to trading up before their picks.
3. The academy picks also work against Essendon It means if you say got pick #7 and #13 from GWS, they might really equate to picks #10 and #17 in an uncompromised draft. So you need to consider that in prices. Of course, if we got a player(s) and pick(s) then the players values aren't diluted.
4. It is a very even draft, at least at the moment. So a team might not consider moving from pick #5 to pick #1 to be worth it.

Personally, I think GWS and GCS may very well have an incentive to get pick #1 beyond its normal price (because it will be more valuable to them than normal) and both have a lot of currency to do a trade. I would hope Essendon would work with the clubs to do a mutual trade that benefits both clubs.

 

[Ants]

On a side note, short of trading in a good forward I'd be focussing on midfielders and small forwards with the initial picks, and get a tall forward later in the draft. With Hooker, JD, Brown and Belly as options the forward line should run a lot better IF we can get some decent delivery. So keep that in mind with any trade/selection discussions.

With the number 1 pick, comes the wooden spoon, we have the current record for the longest streak without one (1933). Not many Essendon supporters want that.

When was the last time that the number 1 draft pick ended up being the best player in the draft?

I'd rather just have pick 2-3 and let Dodoro work his magic.

I don't think the wooden spoon is something we can avoid. We've fought well so far this season, but tiring youngsters plus injuries starting to sneak up on us will make the second half of the year a lot harder.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Have no problem with it being on the bay, but Heppell and Zaka aren't exactly soft. Heppell averaged 5 clearances a game the past 2 years and Zaka is our best contested ball winner this year.

In all seriousness, we'd be targeting something like a young-ish (under 26) gun OOC player and their first round pick. I'd only put Lachie Neale, Dion Prestia, Tom McDonald, Tom Mitchell and Andrew Gaff in that bracket.

You can rule out McDonald (Melbourne traded first round pick this year) and Tom Mitchell (he won't leave). So that leaves Neale (meh, doesn't have the explosiveness I'd like), Prestia (would very much consider this) and Gaff (heard we were very interested in him in his draft year).

I'd take pick 1 for Prestia and pick 8 (Melbourne's first). I'd take pick 1 and Howlett for Gaff, pick 12 and pick 30. Howlett is mentioned because I've heard both Perth clubs have offers in front of him.

I always laugh at these statements when he was a pick #4...every club were very interested in him in that draft.

I don't think WC would be that keen on the trade there. I think they would much prefer Gaff and pick 12 for pick 1. Losing their second round pick and only gaining Howlett wouldn't add much to that trade from an Eagles perspective I wouldn't think

 

[Rack Watts]

I don't think the wooden spoon is something we can avoid. We've fought well so far this season, but tiring youngsters plus injuries starting to sneak up on us will make the second half of the year a lot harder.

It's probably not something we can avoid, doesn't mean we want it though.
Some people are saying things like "we deserve it".

 

[Milanista28]

Sorry mate, was a bit bayish. I just had a mental image of Essendon going long up the guts from a kick in - Hurley takes a contested mark at CHB and all four of them running into one another going for the same handball receive.

Funny thing here is Hurley is the best kick out of the 5 of them.

 

[Milanista28]

How about Pick 1 and Hurley for the entire Richmond football club?

 

[Milanista28]

If both Patton and Steele wanted out would pick 1 get that deal done?

 

[tom1197]

If both Patton and Steele wanted out would pick 1 get that deal done?

Tim Watson says yes
Realistically no

 

[eth-dog]

If both Patton and Steele wanted out would pick 1 get that deal done?

Would be overs.

 

[vozzon]

Geez looking at a few comments its not nice to see that this draft looks just as compromised as when GWS and GC got all the pics, exept this time its all academy players.

The only team i can see obtaining the pick is GWS, potentially trade 2-3 players like merchbank, tomlinson and steele. Or 1-2 of them plus a another pick they have.

Only thing is with all the academy players they might as well trade those player more picks/points like they did last year so doubt it would happen.

 

[Jade]

I'll give you Bontempelli, Stringer, Macrae and Liberatore. Is that enough?

Bob Murphy or GTFO.