Transfer discussion thread

[Bradesmaen]

I'd forgotten he existed.

Once a blue, always a blue

 

[pantskyle]

No-one knows that this is going to happen for sure but the way player agents and players have been "gaming the market" so to speak, it is not unreasonable that they may well leave on frees. It means that instead of prospective employers paying money to the players' current clubs, they can let their contracts run out by refusing to go anywhere and when they go to the club of their choice, the money that the club who wants them would have paid to Man Utd. in this case, can be split fifty-fifty (for example), between the player and the prospective club so the club can save 50% of what they would have paid Man Utd and the other 50%, goes to the player as a signing on fee and the club from whom that player has left, gets absolutely nothing. That's how ridiculous the system is and why the maggots and parasites known as agents have proliferated.

They both have multiple years left. They aren't going anywhere.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

No, I just can't cop so called "supporters" who show far more loyalty and support for pretentious punks who point blank refuse to follow the instructions of the coaches and the clubs and do whatever they want to do.

You know the things that i have formally studied and you know what my credentials are but that does not make me any better or worse than anyone else around here or on Big Footy in general. I love perusing Big Footy and getting an insight into issues, football and otherwise because they are viewed through different eyes but for f**k's sake, how f****ng ridiculous is it when a 20 year old who hasn't had a pre season for more than two years, who has already had two serious injuries requiring operations and the club says to him that they want him to go on loan to an English Club so as to develop the player and look after their twenty seven million pound investment and that player say to the club, "up your arse; I'm not going to do that, I'm going to do what I want" and you and other cheer that obnoxious brat on and criticise the club and coach instead! That's not a matter of being superior or any such garbage, it's a just a matter of basic common sense!

As for being a random old guy on the Internet, you really are a contemptuous fool. I may be a fair bit older but I update my credentials and expertise as soon as new developments and theories arise to supplement my the studies that I undertook a number of years ago at an august institution, not some 10 week course where you complete it and then become a "personal trainer" who don't even know the correct order in which to stretch the muscle groups, but a bonafide place of higher learning.

That doesn't make me any better than anyone else, I'm just a normal everyday bloke like everyone else with some letters after my name but when I point out to you how under Arteta the club has brought in people who are regarded by their peers as right at the cutting edge of modern training and rehab methodologies, you just ignore that and continue to denigrate me because of my age and cast me as old fashioned! Well I tell you what, you are just plain bloody ignorant and have no idea whatsoever about the latest innovations and trends in exercise and sports science, nor in sports psychology but regardless of that, you don't need to be a Rhode Scholar to know that clubs are always more important than players and individuals, a concept that you and some of your mates just cannot grasp so you denigrate and deride those who stand up for their club and no amount of smart arse, wah wah wah will change the fact that you are ignorant and blinkered.

When I asses a player and form a conclusion, I present my reasoning behind my conclusion as do many other people around here and they do not always concur with each other and that's brilliant because we get to reassess, it has nothing to do with being "superior" or any of that garbage. It's about discussing and mounting an argument. You though, you just dismiss and denigrate and then you snipe to make yourself feel better.

Players who dis the clubs they are at and take the piss are not worth a piece of sh*t, regardless of how good they supposedly are or how much potential they have. They can say whatever they like once they are off the books, that's up to them. My thinking on that is NOT old fashioned, it is sensible and subscribed to by those who have any idea of team sport. Unfortunately, you just don't get it and stick up for the destabilisers, the arrogant and the prats in preference to your club.

It’s just a footy forum ..relax.

 

[RossFC]

Moreno had been buried so wouldnt have gotten us much.

Would have been surprised if someone offered monopoly money for Moreno.

 

[Zidane98]

Would have been surprised if someone offered monopoly money for Moreno.

Moreno's best work was done after he left

Moreno Trolls Man Utd After Villarreal's Europ

Villarreal defender Alberto Moreno, who spent five seasons at Liverpool, documented his celebrations after clinching the Europa League title.

www.beinsports.com

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[charcoalchicken]

Just as hilarious as putting as Sagna, Arshavin, Chambers, Cazorla, Wilshere in the picture? All of their contracts had run out except for Chambers who was let go because of his great service and attitude to the Arsenal football club and with 6 months left on his contract. Isn't that the same with Rooney and Vidic?

As for Ozil, he wasn't interested in playing football, he was only interested in getting his leg over and living the life of a playboy on the fabulous amount of money he was getting from Arsenal and taking the piss out of the club.

Sanchez was let go because with six months to go on his contract because no-one wanted to take on the self important a-hole so United thought they could get the best out of them. As it turned out, as you would know, he was the same kind of f*K wit at United as he was at Arsenal but he couldn't manipulate Mourinho as he could Wenger. The other thing is that Sanchez wasn't actually given away for free, as I remember it, Mkhitaryan was swapped for him - another selfish f**k wit who has no sense of club or team.

You see, I'm like you, I defend my club when it requires defending, unlike some others around here who say they are Arsenal supporters but who show far more loyalty and support to players and individuals than what they do for the club they say they support. They reckon that the club is there for the player and not the other way around.

Didn’t citeh want sanchez for £60 mill and arsenal rejected the offer?

 

[glenferry23]

It’s just a footy forum ..relax.

My thoughts too.

 

[Cruyff14]

My thoughts too.

Obviously it's very serious business for some mate, your credentials are obviously not up to it evidently.

 

[Memphis]

Why is United allowing DDG and Martial to leave as free agents at the end of the season?

Don't think they'll allow DDG to go.

Offer him another massive contract to stay one last pay day.

 

[SM]

Don't think they'll allow DDG to go.

Offer him another massive contract to stay one last pay day.

He's still under contract next season as things stand.

 

[chef]

 

[RPCB]

In this market? English, young, World Class footballer. £100M isn’t out of the question.

 

[hawkman]

He looked clearly better than division 6 quality last night

 

[chef]

In this market? English, young, World Class footballer. £100M isn’t out of the question.

and the rest. I doubt they'd sell for £150m this summer. Summer 2023 is when he'll move imo with one year left on his contract.

 

[moomba]

and the rest. I doubt they'd sell for £150m this summer. Summer 2023 is when he'll move imo with one year left on his contract.

He'll lose half of his value moving into that final year.

 

[Zidane98]

and the rest. I doubt they'd sell for £150m this summer. Summer 2023 is when he'll move imo with one year left on his contract.

Most overrated englishman of all time at £150m.

 

[chef]

He'll lose half of his value moving into that final year.

He will, but they aren't going to give a discount this summer either because of it.

They're desperate for him to extend.

 

[chef]

Most overrated englishman of all time at £150m.

It's more of a '**** off hes our player' price than what he's actually worth.

 

[wadistance]

I’d now be fairly surprised if he wasn’t coming to Dortmund.


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[DBAH0]

Most overrated englishman of all time at £150m.

I mean I could argue the same thing with Grealish ATM, but Man City wouldn't care greatly about how he's going considering how far ahead in the league they are, and he may need a full season to adjust to Pep etc.

I look at Pogba as a comparison, Man Utd spent 89M quid to bring him back. Now yes Pogba was playing Champions League with Juventus, but you could argue at this point Rice is showing more say this season I guess.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I mean I could argue the same thing with Grealish ATM, but Man City wouldn't care greatly about how he's going considering how far ahead in the league they are, and he may need a full season to adjust to Pep etc.

I look at Pogba as a comparison, Man Utd spent 89M quid to bring him back. Now yes Pogba was playing Champions League with Juventus, but you could argue at this point Rice is showing more say this season I guess.

Attacking midfielders will almost always cost more than holding midfielders or CMs. Pogba was in the FIFA team of the year and looked to be on track to become the best midfielder in the world.

Imo the argument for Rice being worth the same or more is a combo of market inflation, scarcity, English tax and West Ham not having to sell.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Having a good year no doubt but £100m for a DM? Don’t think so. Interesting Moyes valued Raph and Phillips less than half of that (40m)

 

[CFC_JP]

Do you think he'll stay 2 seasons Art ? Conte has form of dummy spits and quitting at the 2 season mark.

 

[DBAH0]

Having a good year no doubt but £100m for a DM? Don’t think so. Interesting Moyes valued Raph and Phillips less than half of that (40m)

Thing is I wouldn't call Rice just a DM now, he's shown that he can quite easily be a box to box CM this season and get on the scoresheet.

Phillips has been injured the majority of the season, that plus being a couple of years older are probably why his valuation is what it is.