Transgender

[Gralin]

Discussion continuing in Part 2 found here

Transgender - Part 2

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[Punt rd end]

So you've fallen for the trans panic angle.
Did you spend the 80s saying lesbians shouldn't be allowed in change rooms as well?

Oh please don't go there and don't start with your serf terf or whatever it is

 

[Cap]

So you've fallen for the trans panic angle.
Did you spend the 80s saying lesbians shouldn't be allowed in change rooms as well?

White knigts are everywhere.

Why grown men get their knickers in a knot about this I'll never know

 

[Punt rd end]

What a stupid analogy.

Maybe leave the issue to adults and take your insecurity to the Jordan Peterson thread.

Sure Jan, you are probably a male and don't give a shit how it affects women

 

[Punt rd end]

White knigts are everywhere.

Why grown men get their knickers in a knot about this I'll never know

Except I'm a woman

 

[Cap]

Sure Jan, you are probably a male and don't give a s**t how it affects women

Here comes our brave solider to save the helpless women from the scary transgender

 

[Cap]

Sure Jan, you are probably a male and don't give a s**t how it affects women

Here comes our brave solider to save the helpless women from the scary transgender

 

[Cap]

Except I'm a woman

Good for you.

 

[Gralin]

Oh please don't go there and don't start with your serf terf or whatever it is

That's not a no.
You do realise they're using the exact same playbook they did with gay people in the 80s yeah?

Saying they're all predators, don't belong, can't be trusted.

Amazing how everywhere they are passing laws now based on attacking trans people that they aren't laws that make women and children safer like they claim to want.

 

[Punt rd end]

Good for you.

That blows your white knight hero theory, how about you worry about your dressing rooms and sport and we will take care of ours

 

[Cap]

That blows your white knight hero theory, how about you worry about your dressing rooms and sport and we will take care of ours

No, bigots aren't limited by gender.

Catherine Deeves showed us stupid crosses the gender lines.

 

[Punt rd end]

No, bigots aren't limited by gender.

Catherine Deeves showed us stupid crosses the gender lines.

except I'm not a bigot just would like some privacy and respect for women athletes as well as fair competition

 

[Gralin]

I'm so glad that you would be happy with a fully intact male sitting there exposed watching your eg 16 year old daughter get undressed, good for you

I see you're across the playbook.

except I'm not a bigot just would like some privacy and respect for women athletes as well as fair competition

You're language says otherwise.

 

[Cap]

except I'm not a bigot just would like some privacy and respect for women athletes as well as fair competition

So rather than focus on the online abuse or gender discrimination which are way bigger issues

You focus on the minor issue of transgender athletes?

How very brave.

 

[Punt rd end]

I see you're across the playbook.


You're language says otherwise.

That is your warped interpretation, go watch the video and see how the girls actually felt or does their feelings not count anymore

 

[Punt rd end]

So rather than focus on the online abuse or gender discrimination which are way bigger issues

You focus on the minor issue of transgender athletes?

How very brave.

Different issue to the youtube video, stay focused

 

[Gralin]

I'm so glad that you would be happy with a fully intact male sitting there exposed watching your eg 16 year old daughter get undressed, good for you

But let's look at this completely normal situation that you've imagined because it tells me a few things.
You don't see trans women as women.
You see them as men.
You see men as predators.
The only reason you can think of for someone to transition is to get access to women's spaces to be predators.

Which funnily enough is exactly how gay people using public change rooms and bathrooms was portrayed in the 80s.

 

[Punt rd end]

But let's look at this completely normal situation that you've imagined because it tells me a few things.
You don't see trans women as women.
You see them as men.
You see men as predators.
The only reason you can think of for someone to transition is to get access to women's spaces to be predators.

Which funnily enough is exactly how gay people using public change rooms and bathrooms was portrayed in the 80s.

As per usual you attack anyone that doesn't agree with your interpretation, go watch the video in my original post, I'm not interested in your unwarranted personal insults

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

Because
1. People don't want their daughters exposed in dressing rooms
2. Women don't want their sports compromised

There is a simple solution and that is that there be a separate category just like disability, men, women, and add in trans

Those 2 things are only true if you don't believe trans women are women and are still men. No one's going through the hell that is transitioning and trying to exist as a trans person to perv on girls or to win a medal.

 

[Cap]

Different issue to the youtube video, stay focused

Again a situation that is so irregular it really is only relevant to those who actually experience it (if indeed they l do) and the people who can address the issue.

But the focus of bigots everywhere who think it's some common occurrence that's happening everywhere.

They have a great term for it, Moral Panic.

 

[Gralin]

As per usual you attack anyone that doesn't agree with your interpretation, go watch the video in my original post, I'm not interested in your unwarranted personal insults

The video hits all the standard anti trans talking points we've seen with Lia over the last two years.

Calling her a biological male, not a woman or a trans woman etc.

Acting like Lia's ranking while competing against men on HRT was the level of talent Lia had as a swimmer.

A speech by some who doesn't believe Trans women are women, and who is a spokesperson for an anti trans women's group.

So again, both you and her used language that say's you don't believe trans women are women.

So I'll ask you. Do you think trans women are women?

 

[Punt rd end]

The video hits all the standard anti trans talking points we've seen with Lia over the last two years.

Calling her a biological male, not a woman or a trans woman etc.

Acting like Lia's ranking while competing against men on HRT was the level of talent Lia had as a swimmer.

A speech by some who doesn't believe Trans women are women, and who is a spokesperson for an anti trans women's group.

So again, both you and her used language that say's you don't believe trans women are women.

So I'll ask you. Do you think trans women are women?

If that's how they feel then yes they are a woman, but why should the feelings of all the other women in the change room be discounted? Swimmers can be as young as 14 and it is inappropriate for them to be exposed to male genitalia in the female change rooms

 

[Gralin]

If that's how they feel then yes they are a woman, but why should the feelings of all the other women in the change room be discounted? Swimmers can be as young as 14 and it is inappropriate for them to be exposed to male genitalia in the female change rooms

Do you spend a lot of time in change rooms genitals out?
Because you seem to be really focused on full frontal nudity

 

[Punt rd end]

Do you spend a lot of time in change rooms genitals out?
Because you seem to be really focused on full frontal nudity

Is that your comeback

 

[causeANDeffect]

That is your warped interpretation, go watch the video and see how the girls actually felt or does their feelings not count anymore

Well obviously female feelings don't matter.

They obviously haven't bothered to watch the video of Riley Gaines that you have provided - because females are seen to be subhuman to males. Says a lot really.

 

[causeANDeffect]

How often has that happened though?

I have provided some links - and there are plenty more.

Unfortunately some news sites refuse to report on these matters, and some forums delete posts and ban users for sharing them.