Transgender

[Gralin]

Discussion continuing in Part 2 found here

Transgender - Part 2

Please be aware that the tolerance of anti-trans language on BF is at an all-time low. Jokes and insults that are trans-related, as well as anti-trans and bigoted rhetoric will be met with infractions, threadbans etc as required. It's a sensitive (and important) topic, so behave like...

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[gouki88]

Because the media they consume tells them they need to fear and hate these things.

Normal people don’t care about a drag queen reading to someone else’s kids, or who marries who, or what a woman does with her body, but the right is told to think those things are an existential threat to their existence.

In the meantime, states like Germany and Spain are introducing more trans-friendly legislation (for a lack of better terminology). Adults at the table moving things along whilst the screeching mental children kick up yet another tantrum.

 

[whiskeytown]

Gee… popped into this thread and there are a pathetic bunch of virtue signaling addicts on here who prepared are to honour and justify anything (some) in the LGBTQI+ community ask for

And before I get labeled… those within the rainbow community are questioning the recent direction of things too

 

[Bloods86]

Gee… popped into this thread and there are a pathetic bunch of virtue signaling addicts on here who prepared are to honour and justify anything (some) in the LGBTQI+ community ask for

And before I get labeled… those within the rainbow community are questioning the recent direction of things too

Doesn't understand what "virtue signalling" is.

Doesn't understand that there's no need to justify people being who they are and interacting with society, only a need to justify why you shouldn't let them. Well, if you care about freedom that is.

Doesn't understand that because some members of a group have differing opinions, it doesn't negate the opinions or rights of others in that group, or their supporters.

Bit of hyperbole in that video, can see why Fox and others have latched on.

 

[Gethelred]

Gee… popped into this thread and there are a pathetic bunch of virtue signaling addicts on here who prepared are to honour and justify anything (some) in the LGBTQI+ community ask for

What precisely are the people complained about addicted to?

And before I get labeled...

What do you think you'll get labelled?

... those within the rainbow community

Rainbow community?

... are questioning the recent direction of things too

Several things.

One: I'd be wary sharing any further Daily Caller material on BF, as they've failed multiple fact checks:

Daily Caller - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The only reason this one is being allowed to stand is the video speaks for itself; the content within it might be prejudiced, but it's not in and of itself misinformative.

Two: trans people aren't drag queens.

Three: the implication that they are drag queens is a transphobic thing to say.

Should you wish to continue conversing in this thread, consider the stickied post before continuing.

 

[whiskeytown]

Doesn't understand what "virtue signalling" is.

Doesn't understand that there's no need to justify people being who they are and interacting with society, only a need to justify why you shouldn't let them. Well, if you care about freedom that is.

Doesn't understand that because some members of a group have differing opinions, it doesn't negate the opinions or rights of others in that group, or their supporters.

Bit of hyperbole in that video, can see why Fox and others have latched on.

Anything to be seen as an ‘ally’ hey?

You’re a worry if you think sexual performances, exposure, strap on phallus etc… as is occurring in these family drag shows…. doing this in front of young children is okay

Hope you (and other enablers like yourself) don’t supervise kids

 

[Chief]

Condensed bigotted talking points.

We really needed another one of these...

 

[whiskeytown]

What precisely are the people complained about addicted to?

What do you think you'll get labelled?

Rainbow community?

Several things.

One: I'd be wary sharing any further Daily Caller material on BF, as they've failed multiple fact checks:

Daily Caller - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The only reason this one is being allowed to stand is the video speaks for itself; the content within it might be prejudiced, but it's not in and of itself misinformative.

Two: trans people aren't drag queens.

Three: the implication that they are drag queens is a transphobic thing to say.

Should you wish to continue conversing in this thread, consider the stickied post before continuing.

So you provide a thread that only allows one type of opinion ?

Diversity in everything… except opinion hey?

And that link is BS.

 

[Gough]

Anything to be seen as an ‘ally’ hey?

You’re a worry if you think sexual performances, exposure, strap on phallus etc… as is occurring in these family drag shows…. doing this in front of young children is okay

Hope you (and other enablers like yourself) don’t supervise kids

You're using kids as a human shield for prejudice, who's the real enabler?

 

[Chief]

So you provide a thread that only allows one type of opinion ?

Diversity in everything… except opinion hey?

And that link is BS.

If you're plain old wrong, and your opinion is just bigotry with no real support for your argument, yeah you'll be blocked.

Look it seems like you have just discovered this culture war thing so maybe sit back and listen first?

 

[whiskeytown]

If you're plain old wrong, and your opinion is just bigotry with no real support for your argument, yeah you'll be blocked.

Look it seems like you have just discovered this culture war thing so maybe sit back and listen first?

I’ve seen the video footage of these family drag shows … or is this empirical evidence just a Fox News conspiracy?

If taking a child to a strip club or showing them sexual material is child abuse… how is drag shows where there is video evidence of kegs being spread right in front of children… any different ?

It’s a sick fad

 

[Chief]

I’ve seen the video footage of these family drag shows … or is this empirical evidence just a Fox News conspiracy?

If taking a child to a strip club or showing them sexual material is child abuse… how is drag shows where there is video evidence of kegs being spread right in front of children… any different ?

It’s a sick fad

So who is to blame? The parent who takes the kid or the people who put on shows that are advertised as adult events?

The very occasional three year old seeing a risqué drag queen act isn't as widely common as you think.

The type of people who are promoting this to you are also the type of people who would consign a kid to a life of poor education and poverty because their parents "should have learned personal responsibility".

 

[Bloods86]

Anything to be seen as an ‘ally’ hey?

You’re a worry if you think sexual performances, exposure, strap on phallus etc… as is occurring in these family drag shows…. doing this in front of young children is okay

Hope you (and other enablers like yourself) don’t supervise kids

Virtue signalling is where you state positions, for the purpose of looking like you have good character (often contrasted with other people or groups). You did this yourself when you slung "pathetic" and "addicts" around about people with different positions. As opposed to trans people in this thread, and people who actually believe pro-trans rights things they say (and not just trying to showboat).

We've had this discussion over in the "Woke or Parody" thread before, the examples provided of drag queen performances didn't have exposure, weren't justified as of a sexual nature (over many many pages) and there wasn't a strap-on in sight. Also, they weren't family events, rather age-restricted events advertised as such with warnings, much like MA15+ or R18+ cinema screenings where kids can't attend on their own, but the event can't stop them attending if brought by an adult.

If you have different examples, probably take them somewhere relevant, since as has been pointed out, this is the transgender thread, not the drag queen thread. They aren't the same.

 

[Bloods86]

I’ve seen the video footage of these family drag shows … or is this empirical evidence just a Fox News conspiracy?

If taking a child to a strip club or showing them sexual material is child abuse… how is drag shows where there is video evidence of kegs being spread right in front of children… any different ?

It’s a sick fad

The idea that there's drag events being advertised as "family events", with sexual content, is a conspiracy.

You're more likely to have seen families attend an event that wasn't advertised as such.

 

[Gethelred]

So you provide a thread that only allows one type of opinion?

Diversity in everything… except opinion hey?

Tell you what. You answer my questions, and I'll answer yours, hmm?

Then there's the other side of it: you've not been censored, and you're already complaining about censorship. If you keep trying to pivot the conversation away from what we're actually talking about - using a bad argument as bait - I'm going to assume you're here for reasons other than conversation.

And that link is BS.

No, no, no! You're doing this all wrong!

You're meant to perform strength with your arguments. That means you cannot play defense, at all; calling mediabias bullshit is defense, my lad.

You're meant to say something short and quippy, playing attack with every post. How will people know you're a big boy if you start playing defense?

 

[whiskeytown]

Virtue signalling is where you state positions, for the purpose of looking like you have good character (often contrasted with other people or groups). You did this yourself when you slung "pathetic" and "addicts" around about people with different positions. As opposed to trans people in this thread, and people who actually believe pro-trans rights things they say as opposed to just trying to showboat.

We've had this discussion over in the "Woke or Parody" thread before, the examples provided of drag queen performances didn't have exposure, weren't justified as of a sexual nature (over many many pages) and there wasn't a strap-on in sight. Also, they weren't family events, rather age-restricted events advertised as such with warnings, much like MA15+ or R18+ cinema screenings where kids can't attend on their own, but the event can't stop them attending if brought by an adult.

If you have different examples, probably take them somewhere relevant, since as has been pointed out, this is the transgender thread, not the drag queen thread. They aren't the same.

They are the same… or are you denying that transgender people don’t also participate in drag shows?

The events are advertised as family friendly drag shows… so no need for the lies… you know this is occurring in the US

But too many people on here prepared to throw their morality out the window in the name of being an ally

And FWIW I have no issue with adult drag shows (have been to a few and had fun) and no issues with transgender people existing

It’s the radical elements of the lobby groups that damage the movement by insisting on eg male rapists in female prisons and ‘family friendly’ drag shows

Any person in their right mind would see the problems with the above scenarios

 

[Bloods86]

They are the same… or are you denying that transgender people don’t also participate in drag shows?

The events are advertised as family friendly drag shows… so no need for the lies… you know this is occurring in the US

But too many people on here prepared to throw their morality out the window in the name of being an ally

And FWIW I have no issue with adult drag shows (have been to a few and had fun) and no issues with transgender people existing

It’s the radical elements of the lobby groups that damage the movement by insisting on eg male rapists in female prisons and ‘family friendly’ drag shows

Any person in their right mind would see the problems with the above scenarios

No, they are not the same. I'm not saying there aren't some trans people who participate in drag, but they aren't the same. I suggest searching some basic definitions.

I'm aware of drag queen story time, which is advertised for children. I'm also aware of examples which conservatives have melted down over, of adult-intended shows with dancing/singing, where someone has brought along some kids. Conservative media and commentators claim they are "family events" until someone undoubtedly checks and lo and behold the event sites, tickets etc have age related warnings on them. The problem experienced in other, more relevant threads, is that someone comes in steaming about a video from Fox or similar they saw, which is undeniable proof of "family events" with "sexual content", and then when it's shown that it's neither a "family event" (Fox et al lied) nor "sexual content" (unless you're a puritan), they still don't seem to care.

As for trans women in women's prisons, the decisions are also made based on overall safety (try being a trans woman in a men's prison). If there are particular problems with specific inmates, then you can have a discussion about protocols to ensure other prisoners safety.

We aren't throwing out our morality in the name of being an ally. It is our morality (although this would be the first time I've implied something along the lines of being "an ally" on here).

 

[Hyakutake]

No, they are not the same. I'm not saying there aren't some trans people who participate in drag, but they aren't the same. I suggest searching some basic definitions.

I'm aware of drag queen story time, which is advertised for children. I'm also aware of examples which conservatives have melted down over, of adult-intended shows with dancing/singing, where someone has brought along some kids. Conservative media and commentators claim they are "family events" until someone undoubtedly checks and lo and behold the event sites, tickets etc have age related warnings on them. The problem experienced in other, more relevant threads, is that someone comes in steaming about a video from Fox or similar they saw, which is undeniable proof of "family events" with "sexual content", and then when it's shown that it's neither a "family event" (Fox et al lied) nor "sexual content" (unless you're a puritan), they still don't seem to care.

As for trans women in women's prisons, the decisions are also made based on overall safety (try being a trans woman in a men's prison). If there are particular problems with specific inmates, then you can have a discussion about protocols to ensure other prisoners safety.

We aren't throwing out our morality in the name of being an ally. It is our morality (although this would be the first time I've implied something along the lines of being "an ally" on here).

Our friend here takes his "evidence" from Libs of Tik Tok. So you are on a hiding to nothing I'm afraid.

 

[Gralin]

It's amazing how someone dressing up in a costume to read a kids book is now considered grooming, if that person is a gay man.

Like children's entertainment has involved costumes for ever and seeing a princess or fairy in a library reading kids books isn't anything new.

It's just plain old bigotry.

They've been pushing trans hate for years now and we're seeing the widening of the target to other parts of the queer community because the people pushing this are the same people that have been against gay rights for decades

 

[whiskeytown]

No, they are not the same. I'm not saying there aren't some trans people who participate in drag, but they aren't the same. I suggest searching some basic definitions.

I'm aware of drag queen story time, which is advertised for children. I'm also aware of examples which conservatives have melted down over, of adult-intended shows with dancing/singing, where someone has brought along some kids. Conservative media and commentators claim they are "family events" until someone undoubtedly checks and lo and behold the event sites, tickets etc have age related warnings on them. The problem experienced in other, more relevant threads, is that someone comes in steaming about a video from Fox or similar they saw, which is undeniable proof of "family events" with "sexual content", and then when it's shown that it's neither a "family event" (Fox et al lied) nor "sexual content" (unless you're a puritan), they still don't seem to care.

As for trans women in women's prisons, the decisions are also made based on overall safety (try being a trans woman in a men's prison). If there are particular problems with specific inmates, then you can have a discussion about protocols to ensure other prisoners safety.

We aren't throwing out our morality in the name of being an ally. It is our morality (although this would be the first time I've implied something along the lines of being "an ally" on here).

Shocking footage of 'family friendly' drag queen show in front of kids

A drag queen appeared to be performing at a 'family friendly' event. Young kids were present as the sexually suggestive moves were made on a catwalk with the drag queen spreading their legs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You’re either a liar or silly enough not to google the issue

^ Family friendly Drag shows are a thing

And justifying male rapists in female prisons on account of safety is ridiculous… really clutching at straws. They are being sent to female prisons for ideological reasons

I know of LGBTQI+ parents, teachers, etc who do a wonderful job raising children with love, protection and care

But the fringes of the political movement is dangerous… and only has traction on account of the weak people that enable it

I came to this page thinking it was a forum… when I’m reality it is a safe space

I’m moving on cause i have better things to do then try and reason with fools in denial and outright enablers of dangerous trends

 

[Gethelred]

Shocking footage of 'family friendly' drag queen show in front of kids

A drag queen appeared to be performing at a 'family friendly' event. Young kids were present as the sexually suggestive moves were made on a catwalk with the drag queen spreading their legs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You’re either a liar or silly enough not to google the issue

^ Family friendly Drag shows are a thing

And justifying male rapists in female prisons on account of safety is ridiculous… really clutching at straws

I know of LGBTQI+ parents, teachers, etc who do a wonderful job raising children with love, protection and care

But the fringes of the political movement is dangerous… and only has traction on account of the weak people that enable it

I came to this page thinking it was a forum… when I’m reality it is a safe space

I’m moving on cause i have better things to do then try and reason with fools in denial and outright enablers of dangerous trends

Performative post is performative.

 

[Chief]

I came to this page thinking it was a forum… when I’m reality it is a safe space

Nah you came tearing in looking for a fight.

Clutch those pearls harder.

 

[Chief]

Shocking footage of 'family friendly' drag queen show in front of kids

A drag queen appeared to be performing at a 'family friendly' event. Young kids were present as the sexually suggestive moves were made on a catwalk with the drag queen spreading their legs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You’re either a liar or silly enough not to google the issue

^ Family friendly Drag shows are a thing

Oh good God I saw more revealing costumes on the girls on the high wire at the circus when I was 10.

 

[Gralin]

Curious to know what specifically you disagreed with ElectricG

 

[Gethelred]

I mean, this was in a Disney movie:



And so was this:



I first saw American Pie when around 13, and Porkies was marketed at teenage boys. Children these days are exposed to the internet at increasingly younger ages; the stuff they're going to see at a drag show in a lot of cases isn't going to be any worse than a video clip from the 80's/90's or some tiktoks.

The best character of the most recent meta of Super Smash Bros on the Nintendo Switch - the family friendly console, and a game considered family friendly - was Bayonetta, a character famous for this entry scene (among other things):



Then you get to the next layer of it: drag shows, even those marketed as being family friendly, do not feature trans people. They're drag shows. A drag queen might also be trans, but that is not the point of the show. The implication that someone who is in drag is grooming children is an abhorrent one, and one I'd like to see proven before someone assumes it; the extrapolation between drag and trans women is even more of an issue, because there's more to being trans than a desire to wear the other gender's clothing.

Then, we get to the come in, 'learn those leftie enablers', then duck out.

Alas. One wonders about the backbone of the defenders of free speech, if this is all they have to give in its defense.

 

[ElectricG]

Curious to know what specifically you disagreed with ElectricG

The drag queen story time thing. But somebody has already pointed out that trans and drag are different things so it’s probably a discussion for another thread.