Travis Varcoe

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

No doubt in anyones mind that when in form he is easily in our top 10.

Farmer2goggin,

So it is with any when in form. Each to their own, the propaganda machine rolls on.
I hope he plays the next two rounds, so we can all see exactly what he has to offer.

You're hard to please Meto.
They can't all be top 10 even when each is in form ! I rate his best as being easily top 10.
I also don't want us selecting on reputation or promise only , it breeds complacency.
If the Coaches aren't getting what they want from any player over a reasonable period then hard calls need to be made - competition for spots isn't going to harm us , we have the cattle to make it work.

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

You're hard to please Meto.
They can't all be top 10 even when each is in form ! I rate his best as being easily top 10.
I also don't want us selecting on reputation or promise only , it breeds complacency.
If the Coaches aren't getting what they want from any player over a reasonable period then hard calls need to be made - competition for spots isn't going to harm us , we have the cattle to make it work.

To rate players on form consistency, in my opinion he wouldn't be in my top ten who week in week out deliver form at or near their capacity, he'd be in the last few.
His form is erratic at best, much more cold than hot, ATM.
He could turn it around, that's up to him!

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Let's hope he does turn it around as we will be a stronger contender if he does.
Cheers

 

[cat in sydney]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Has anything like Osteitis Pubis been talked about in regards to Varcoe??
From looking at him over the past few games, it seems like this sort of a problem. He has lost a huge amount of explosive pace, as well as the ability to change direction quickly.
OP is the type of thing that can easily get more debilitating if not given rest, and it just seems like he has been gradually declining not only in his impact on games, but in the traits that actually make him a good player when on.

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

FWIW in a thread earlier this year I think I had Varcoe at the 13th picked.

If he was 'ON' he'd be top 6
But then again Hawkins 'ON' would be top 8

 

[Silverado]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Has anything like Osteitis Pubis been talked about in regards to Varcoe??
From looking at him over the past few games, it seems like this sort of a problem. He has lost a huge amount of explosive pace, as well as the ability to change direction quickly.
OP is the type of thing that can easily get more debilitating if not given rest, and it just seems like he has been gradually declining not only in his impact on games, but in the traits that actually make him a good player when on.

You're right, he does have some of the hallmarks of OP but I would think if he was suffering from it then the coaching staff would be quick to rest him up, it doesn't get any better by trying to run it out.

I'm beggining to think he has trouble adjusting to the new/tweeked game plan and where he fits in that. It could be a reason why his confidence is down and also a reason why they keep playing him, to give him absolutley every chance to try and pick it up and find his niche'.

that could explain his lost look of late but I still can't cop his efforts or lack there of, really disapointing

I dunno, im just getting tired of yelling at my television

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

It's about his performances not him as a person, or do you think he should get a game because his name is Travis Varcoe and he once ran down Buddy Franklin from behind?

What makes me sick, is the hypocritic Varcoe supporters going after Tom Hawkins when their guy is getting minimal pozzies himself.

All I do is state the facts, I'm not on my own either, his lack of intensity is obvious to others.
His attack on the ball of late is not up to senior expectations, surely you'd have to agree?

Who are these hypocrites? It doesn't matter. IMVHO, Mackie, TV, and Hawkins, are ALL in our best 22 easily and deserve more respect than they get here. Face to face , would even one of these negative opinions get to any of this trio from these posters?
So how happy will you be if/when he gets demoted?
You are not stating facts, just opinions. It's now almost inevitable he'll get time out, but is there a need for a thread to go on and on and on about this?
Lot of good happening at Geelong but the amount of assassination of players' character and form is disrespectful and unnecessary.

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

To rate players on form consistency, in my opinion he wouldn't be in my top ten who week in week out deliver form at or near their capacity, he'd be in the last few.
His form is erratic at best, much more cold than hot, ATM.
He could turn it around, that's up to him!

I think Stokes improved form has in part led to TV having a more pinch hitter role. We all hoped or expected he would take up some of the midfield slack, but it hasn't happened yet. ???Fitness, ???form. Whatever, Stokes is amazing at present and he is playing all over the ground and maybe TV needs to that when Stokes has a week off, or if TV gets demoted.

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Has anything like Osteitis Pubis been talked about in regards to Varcoe??
From looking at him over the past few games, it seems like this sort of a problem. He has lost a huge amount of explosive pace, as well as the ability to change direction quickly.
OP is the type of thing that can easily get more debilitating if not given rest, and it just seems like he has been gradually declining not only in his impact on games, but in the traits that actually make him a good player when on.

Never thought of it. An interesting thought though.
But he's not Luke Hodge. You'd rest him if he even looked like having that surely ?

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

You are not stating facts, just opinions.

Ok, so we can now mark it down VD isn't a lawyer
Don't ask for stats on Varcs mate oh you said facts

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

I'm beggining to think he has trouble adjusting to the new/tweeked game plan and where he fits in that.

Something isn't right. And everyone here who likes TV knows it.
We've thrown up a bunch of stuff as to why.

There needs to be a solution. There has to be.
And we have one saving grace.


The club he plays for.


They'll find it.

Many wouldn't.

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Ok, so we can now mark it down VD isn't a lawyer
Don't ask for stats on Varcs mate oh you said facts

were stats on the agenda? I sincerely apologise if they were. I thought he was posting about other stuff. Anyway, I think I'm tired now, time to stop running. Box of chocolates.

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Who are these hypocrites?

no one, coz there is none...just another nonsensical meto rant.

 

[topic97]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

You're right, he does have some of the hallmarks of OP but I would think if he was suffering from it then the coaching staff would be quick to rest him up, it doesn't get any better by trying to run it out.

I'm beggining to think he has trouble adjusting to the new/tweeked game plan and where he fits in that. It could be a reason why his confidence is down and also a reason why they keep playing him, to give him absolutley every chance to try and pick it up and find his niche'.

that could explain his lost look of late but I still can't cop his efforts or lack there of, really disapointing

I dunno, im just getting tired of yelling at my television

If thats the case, perhaps they need to put him back in the 2's and give him a good run at the midfield, which is really where all of us had him predicted to be at the start of the season.

Agree with his efforts too, its just like he is jogging when he is trying to chase down players, especially since we all know how quick he is!!

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

no one, coz there is none...just another nonsensical meto rant.

Remember this?
"VC, you carn't call out Varcoe for Gliding and not putting his body on the line when Mackie does the same", remember that post DF.

Obviously you went into defense mode by going on a witch-hunt targeting Mackie, whilst admitting Varcoe had a problem.

Your nonsensical rant, look it up!

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Remember this?
"VC, you carn't call out Varcoe for Gliding and not putting his body on the line when Mackie does the same", remember that post DF.

Obviously you went into defense mode by going on a witch-hunt targeting Mackie, whilst admitting Varcoe had a problem.

Your nonsensical rant, look it up!

the mackie thread that you derailed by bringing varcoe into? i guess you missed the double standards that you were applying.

im still not sure how this makes me a hypocrite varcoe supporter.

i would have thought negatively bringing varcoe into every thread one posts would be more "witch hunt" like.

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

the mackie thread that you derailed by bringing varcoe into? i guess you missed the double standards that you were applying.

im still not sure how this makes me a hypocrite varcoe supporter.

i would have thought negatively bringing varcoe into every thread one posts would be more "witch hunt" like.

What the thread about? And why?

You called Mackie out for the same thing, yet then deny its Varcoes got a problem. Seems like hypocracy to me, see my point?

 

[sexyhunk]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

havent read the whole thread so maybe someone mentioned this before but hear me out.

If you all remember end of 2006, everyone myself included thought the game has passed Ling by, he turned from a tagger to a ball winning mid. He lacked pentration and creativeness with his disposals and of course hes not blessed with leg speed. He went back to basics and started doing what hes good at and thats tag. think he was AA in 2007.

Varcoe made his name as a small forward runnning down defenders with his speed and tackles. I think may be midfield just dosent suit him, especially him seem to drift in and out when he plays on ball. back to basics and play him majority in the forward line.

 

[David the Cat]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

havent read the whole thread so maybe someone mentioned this before but hear me out.

If you all remember end of 2006, everyone myself included thought the game has passed Ling by, he turned from a tagger to a ball winning mid. He lacked pentration and creativeness with his disposals and of course hes not blessed with leg speed. He went back to basics and started doing what hes good at and thats tag. think he was AA in 2007.

Varcoe made his name as a small forward runnning down defenders with his speed and tackles. I think may be midfield just dosent suit him, especially him seem to drift in and out when he plays on ball. back to basics and play him majority in the forward line.

Be thankful for small mercies.

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

What the thread about? And why?

You called Mackie out for the same thing, yet then deny its Varcoes got a problem. Seems like hypocracy to me, see my point?

i never denied varcoe was an outside mid. he isnt a inside or contested player. if he gets back on track, then down the line i see him more as a wells type than judd/ablett.

so, you have no point, just meaningless negative diatribe. whats the saying....throw enough sh1t at a wall and some is sure to stick.

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

i never denied varcoe was an outside mid. he isnt a inside or contested player. if he gets back on track, then down the line i see him more as a wells type than judd/ablett.

so, you have no point, just meaningless negative diatribe. whats the saying....throw enough sh1t at a wall and some is sure to stick.

Great comparison, Daniel Wells. I have a bit to do with NM, and was thinking that same. If he is as good as DW, we'll be very blessed. Not all our players have to be in and under Selwood, Kelly, Bartel types. We also need classy elusive creative finishers. Ablett was both, well still is. IIRC, TV has had dodgy shoulders all his time with us, always heavily strapped.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Not all our players have to be in and under Selwood, Kelly, Bartel types. We also need classy elusive creative finishers. Ablett was both, well still is.

In todays game I don't buy into that opinion. The club and his team mates( and all supporters should!) expect him to put his body on the line and hit the man/tackle hard. This attitude is whats driven the club to it's current dynasty and is required at AFL level with todays highly competitive, highly contested style of football. Our game plan in 2011 has changed. In the past Varcoe benefited from our run and handball game, now we play a more contested brand... he can't cope.

Varcoe's form in 2011 has been terrible. He's lucky to be getting a game, that is indisputable. Waiting week after week for him to pull out of it is not doing him or the club any favours.. he must play VFL then earn his spot.

I'm sick of seeing this Tambling/Wells 'he'll be a star one day" rubbish. Surely we can move past this, not just as a code.. but as a nation.

 

[ADA23]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

No doubt in anyones mind that when in form he is easily in our top 10. However in recent weeks he is far from that form and very marginal in deserving a game IMO - as to how the Coaching staff view it , not sure , maybe he is doing enough to justify his role. If he isn't he , like anyone else in that situation, he needs to be given a chance ( time in the 2's , a rest etc) to turn it around . We can all be seduced by what the player can do but there also comes a time when time runs out and others busting their gut deserve a chance. This is one area where CS can make a statement , as he did with Hawkins , and I don't think he will hesitate if the situation demands it. A bit of tough love for Tom won't hurt and it may well apply to Travis as well.

Top 10?

Cant have him ahead of

Scarlett
Taylor
Corey
Enright
Bartel
Johnno
Chappy
Otto
Kelly
Menzel
Selwood
Duncan
Ling

I'm not expecting much from him Saturday night, IMHO Christensen is hungrier and in better form

 

[PatrickBateman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Top 10?

Cant have him ahead of

Scarlett
Taylor
Corey
Enright
Bartel
Johnno
Chappy
Otto
Kelly
Menzel
Selwood
Duncan
Ling

I'm not expecting much from him Saturday night, IMHO Christensen is hungrier and in better form

The key words in his message were "when in form" Varcoe's in our top 10, which is maybe debatable. At the moment he's behind at least 22 players on the list... forget 10!

 

[topic97]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Agreed, Christiensen has been very unlucky not to get the nod ahead of Varcoe - he has looked a lot hungrier and in better form when he gets his opportunities.

Just makes you wonder how many more chances Trav will have, I would be saying if he doesnt put in a decent effort tomorrow night then Christiensen will be getting a run.

Trav just needs that confidence back that he had last year, and I guess we can get away with it at the moment due to the others picking up the slack.
But It would be better in the long run to put him back in the 2s and find some form for the second half of the season - he could be a very pivitol player come finals!!
And really, its a win win - put him back in the 2s to find form and give a young bloke a few weeks in the seniors to get used to it. Then we just have the great conundrum of which in form player to pick