Game Day Trial V Pear 20.2

[FR0GGY]

If you're looking for something to criticise, having not watched the game, I suggest the following.

We were about 7 goals up during the last quarter, having played a great attacking game, with excellent kicking and dominant forward marking. Then, we essentially put the cue in the rack, as others have said, but how?

What actually happened is that we reverted to plan B, but not very well. Cook started taking the kickouts and continually went long to the right, with the oppo getting the ball an every occasion, with repeat entry, then the same thing over again.
This was completely against our wise kickouts earlier in the match. Was this under instruction? I don't think it would have been Cook's normal choice.

All this was identical to the much criticised last-quarter save-the-game methods used last year, with Cook taking Smith's role. There was no reason at all to do this, but at least it showed them that plan B is a failure.

Who was kicking out prior to that?

 

[1970crow]

They kicked the last few goals of the game after we were 40 points up.

That constitutes junk time in anyone's mind, not just mine.

Perhaps watch the game if you're going to take random stabs, it might make your opinion on the matter hold some credibility

Did they generate similar scoring shots in the first 3 quarters? Yes or no. If you think a crap side destined for bottom few, generated similar scoring opportunities, it’s logical that it should be a concern.

Or, let me guess, you didn’t think Eagles or Roos pushing us to the end was a concern late last season. Every win is a good win, right HS?

 

[Cromulant]

Did they generate similar scoring shots in the first 3 quarters? Yes or no. If you think a crap side destined for bottom few, generated similar scoring opportunities, it’s logical that it should be a concern.

Or, let me guess, you didn’t think Eagles or Roos pushing us to the end was a concern late last season. Every win is a good win, right HS?

Man youre a chore.

We controlled the entire game, were in no danger of losing it. You probably shouldn't take hints from Vader when trying to analyse a game you didn't watch.

I mean West Coast held a 4 goal lead over Freo today, the Suns got torched by St Kilda too.

 

[Golumless]

Port will be nowhere near the 8 come the end of the season.

Historically, team quality and ladder position means jack**** when it comes to Showdowns, so you can’t read into that, and if you want too, they were almost at full strength when we pumped them by 98 points.

They won’t beat anyone from the top 8 last year, or Sydney or StK.

There’s no reason to be concerned, we put the cue in the rack early in the 3rd and played bruise free footy in our first hit out.

Historically, showdown results have followed the ladder the majority of the times they've been played.

You get a bit more fluky bullshit wins when we're the weaker team compared to Port compared to the other way round though (especially in recent years seeing Hinkley sides struggled against well drilled defensive teams). Still, if memory serves me correctly, it s ~70-30% split favouring the higher ladder position.

 

[1970crow]

Man youre a chore.

We controlled the entire game, were in no danger of losing it. You probably shouldn't take hints from Vader when trying to analyse a game you didn't watch.

I mean West Coast held a 4 goal lead over Freo today, the Suns got torched by St Kilda too.

We ‘controlled the game’ despite giving up equal scoring opportunities to a bottom 6 club throughout the first 3 quarters. Lucky these games are meaningless in terms of performance, if you placed any stock in them, or think Port are bottom 6, you should be a touch concerned.

Lucky for you, bo doubt, “we’ll be fine”. You’re an incredibly astute judge.

 

[Cromulant]

We ‘controlled the game’ despite giving up equal scoring opportunities to a bottom 6 club throughout the first 3 quarters. Lucky these games are meaningless in terms of performance, if you placed any stock in them, or think Port are bottom 6, you should be a touch concerned.

Lucky for you, bo doubt, “we’ll be fine”. You’re an incredibly astute judge.

Watch the game.....

 

[Samcro24]

Historically, showdown results have followed the ladder the majority of the times they've been played.

You get a bit more fluky bullshit wins when we're the weaker team compared to Port compared to the other way round though (especially in recent years seeing Hinkley sides struggled against well drilled defensive teams). Still, if memory serves me correctly, it s ~70-30% split favouring the higher ladder position.

The home team has a 5+ goal advantage imo. That’s why the underdog often gets closer than the ladder suggests. When we’re the better side we have a history of belting them in the home showdown, scraping in in the away game.

 

[cmndstab]

So 19 scoring shots to 17 cmndstab, not exactly the ‘cue in the rack’ catching up to our scoring shots in the last quarter that you suggested. So it’s fair to say that whoever Port had on the park and how they played throughout the first 3 quarters, they generated 2 less scores than us.

Do you disagree?

I've only watched the game once, so I can't say exactly when we put the cue in the rack. I know that for the first half, we were all over them, generating both more, and higher quality, scoring opportunities than Port did. In Q3 we rested some of our better players, brought on a visibly underdone Soligo, and made some positional changes, and our dominance waned as a result.

I also know that sometime during the last quarter (noting that the broadcast cut out for part of it) the sting completely went out of the game, and both clubs just started hitting easy short passes up and down the ground. For the last ten minutes or so, we reverted to our old "bomb the ball blindly out of D50, get intercepted, scramble to defend again" routine that we've seen so often in the past. It was ugly viewing towards the end.

Port have a quality midfield, and they are able to generate scoring opportunities, but they were nothing like the Crows who were clunking marks 25m out from goal. I think that just looking at the number of scoring shots doesn't tell the whole story.

My reading of the game was that in the first half when both sides were putting their best foot forward, we were clearly in charge of the game. After that, well, let's face it... it was a trial match, and the clubs treated it as such.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

We were ahead most of the game based upon updates in this thread. Would have preferred we generated a few more scoring shots than Port. But then I always say, these games are meaningless, except getting an idea into who’s going to play in the 1s and likely where.

I still reckon ROB lines up against Freo and then round 1 though.

I haven’t watch it yet but based on the highlights and score changes, looks like we coasted to the end

 

[ABAB]

That's what I said.

You said "We were about 7 goals up during the last quarter", it was close to end of 3rd quarter we were up that much and Port Power kicked 2 late goals to be within 27 points at the start of the 4th quarter.

 

[Scorpus]

A shot 20m directly in front and a shot 50m on the boundary are not the same but are weighted equally when you just look at scoring shots

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

So a crap team generated the same number of scoring shots as us? I don’t think there’s anything to take away from these games in terms of team quality. But if you look at Port’s performance and say they’re crap, then you should be a touch concerned about ours.

Have you watched the match yet???

Did you listen to it on 5aa???

 

[1970crow]

Have you watched the match yet???

Did you listen to it on 5aa???

Have you? Did you? What’s your view on where Port are heading based on that trial?

 

[119others]

Cook and Taylor looked good. Edwards didnt really show much.

Think you got Taylor and Edward's mixed up.

Taylor has no place in our team IMO.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Have you? Did you? What’s your view on where Port are heading based on that trial?

I watched it.

We controlled the game... & then experimented later in the game.

We were doubling their score when in control.

Port's defence never looked like it could control our forwards, particularly filthy. Playing Rat & BZT may help, but still an issue that Aliir is their only quality.

Up forward they had little without Georgiades. Lukosius continues to underwhelm.

They lost the hornet early & with Butters out, meant they had their best 2 midfielders out. Burgoyne was there only decent midfielder.

Both sides has similar number of outs, but they had their best 3 & we have far better depth... which is why we will finish significantly higher.

 

[1970crow]

I watched it.

We controlled the game... & then experimented later in the game.

We were doubling their score when in control.

Port's defence never looked like it could control our forwards, particularly filthy. Playing Rat & BZT may help, but still an issue that Aliir is their only quality.

Up forward they had little without Georgiades. Lukosius continues to underwhelm. Burgoyne was there only decent midfielder.

They lost the hornet early & with Butters out, meant they had their best 2 midfielders out.

Both sides has similar number of outs, but they had their best 3 & we have far better depth... which is why we will finish significantly higher.

We were doubling their score but not their scoring opportunities, did you notice that?

 

[119others]

Who is searching for negatives? All I said was that if you reckon Port is a crap team then them having similar scoring shots to us would be a concern. I’m not concerned because I don’t think Poet are going to be all that crap. I think they’ll be fighting for a spot in the 8 for a fair part of the year. I think we’ll be 3 or 4 spots above them on the ladder.

Don’t forget that prior to their injuries they took it up to us in the first showdown last year. They dominated the last quarter and could very well have stolen it.

Time will tell but there's clearly more than 3-4 spots on the ladder between the respective squads assuming similar injury runs. I reckon if you ranked each squad 1-35 (stripping out most recent draft), Power would be very lucky to have a superior player on the relative rankings on more than a handful of positions (with a couple of them at the pointy end.). A handful might being generous. They are doomed. Davies knew the massive squad holes - he indicated this to me in a dealing I had with him - and probably why he jumped ship. Lucky us - we get to rejoice over the ferals for the next few years.

Making top 6 / winning the flag odds (Sportsbet today)

Crows 5-6th

Power 12th

The growing gap between the clubs is going to become a chasm over coming years when Butters/Bergman leave and they finally start hitting the draft seriously (but waiting 3-4 years onwards for that to pay off). Would be surprised if they win more than 2 of 8 showdowns this decade (esp once their elite players start jumping ship)

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Port's outs

Butters
Georgiades
SPP
Sinn?

JHF played only a quarter

Played SANFL
Rat
BZT
Sweet
Wines

Crows' outs
Rankine
Curtin
Ah Chee
Cumming
Hinge
Draper

Soligo limited minutes like JHF

Played sanfl
ROB
Dowling

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

Have you? Did you? What’s your view on where Port are heading based on that trial?

I watched most of the match live on my iPad but I was preparing dinner so I didn’t have a laser focus..

The full game is available on YouTube. I watched it on the tellie late last night to check how our fringe players performed.

You have made the most posts in this thread despite not watching the game. Here’s an idea, why don’t you stop posting, watch the replay and THEN provide us with your valuable insights?

 

[Peter Doherty]

A shot 20m directly in front and a shot 50m on the boundary are not the same but are weighted equally when you just look at scoring shots

I'm not even sure if we are even looking at scoring shots, aren't we just looking at the total scores?

Which include rushed behinds. Not sure how much of a difference it will make.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm not even sure if we are even looking at scoring shots, aren't we just looking at the total scores?

Which include rushed behinds. Not sure how much of a difference it will make.

We rushed through plenty of rushed behinds.

 

[Peter Doherty]

We rushed through plenty of rushed behinds.

I'll just wait for the Bigman write up which will include such stats, thank you very much.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'll just wait for the Bigman write up which will include such stats, thank you very much.

He's on holidays.

Someone posted stats earlier.

 

[Mostyn]

Dudes 26 this year and done 5 preseasons. If he's not fit enough now, he never will be.

If he gets that chance, it's a serious opportunity to win the #1 role.

Fair call - though he's never been solo ruck before, so may need to keep getting kms into his legs.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

Have you? Did you? What’s your view on where Port are heading based on that trial?

Poort Pear can’t be discounted. According to experts like Kane Cornes they have more top fifty players than the majority of clubs including the Crows.

There is no doubt that when the big four (Rozee, Butters, JHF and Georgie) are fit and firing, they are hard to beat.
Yesterday only Rozee was present.

Their tall forwards will be very Georgiades centric. Whitlock looks promising but is a long way off. Lukosius is no Charlie.

Their tall defenders are even worse. There is a reason Zerk and Ratt were in the Twos. Aliir is a great third tall but defending is not his strong suit. Ramm is a kid, will Toddy save the day?

Viscentini is their first choice ruckman and McAndrew clearly had the better of him. They have some handy outside mids/rebounding defenders but apart from the Big Three their inside mids aren’t great (and Rozee played almost entirely in defence). Bergman is good but do they need him in defence? Ollie isn’t getting any quicker and Drew is solid.

They have some handy small forwards but no one elite.

If they have no injuries they will challenge most teams but even if they have no injuries I can’t see them in the top Four.