Scandal Troy Pannell fraud

[Big_Birdy]

I really want to know what free he gave to Adelaide....must've been pretty clear cut for him to have paid it one would think.

This game now really interests me and Id love to find it.

But saw a lot of Crows posters saying on their board it may have been one where they marked it anyway? Grain of salt, but to be fair also, it makes sense they would rememeber.

 

[Sentinel]

If there was any investigation into the one side free count by that umpire there is no way it should be conducted by the AFL. It would have to be external and independent but who could do that?
Short of Parnell being found and admitting he fixed the free count or some other other party that came forward and said yes he did fix the count to pay a debt how do you actually prove it.
If he's fixed this game there's surely others not to mention Brownlow voting as well.

Would probably be run by the same integrity department which ticked off the Talia brothers and their unfortunate lost text messages.

 

[Bluish]

WB’s two matches prior to the Adelaide match:

Rd 5 vs Brisbane
Umpires: Fisher, Brown, Pannell
Free kicks: 24-12 WB

Rd 6 vs North
Umpires: Donlon, Bannister, Pannell
Free kicks: 23-14 WB

Someone would have to trawl through the tape to get Pannell’s contribution to those discrepancies. But it is curious that he had three consecutive WB games, culminating in the infamous Adelaide game, and they all ended up with a decently weighted free kick tally in their favour.

 

[brmi]

WB’s two matches prior to the Adelaide match:

Rd 5 vs Brisbane
Umpires: Fisher, Brown, Pannell
Free kicks: 24-12 WB

Rd 6 vs North
Umpires: Donlon, Bannister, Pannell
Free kicks: 23-14 WB

Someone would have to trawl through the tape to get Pannell’s contribution to those discrepancies. But it is curious that he had three consecutive WB games, culminating in the infamous Adelaide game, and they all ended up with a decently weighted free kick tally in their favour.

It doesn't really matter who was umpiring tbh, we always had the free kick count in our favour back then. That's how we won the flag remember?

 

[theouthouse]

To think that the AFL doesn't and hasn't looked at statistics like each umpires frees for and against in a match, missed calls etc and then actually investigate or review its employees performances says a little bit.

Guarantee this lop sided free kick stuff still applies to this day. Would require stats involving overriding calls from non controlling umpires as well.

 

[Beerfish]

It doesn't really matter who was umpiring tbh, we always had the free kick count in our favour back then. That's how we won the flag remember?

Yes.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Everyone is mentioning this 17-1 free kick count, is there actual footage of the free kicks he gave? How many of them were legit decisions and how many were 50/50 or blatantly incorrect?

The biggest issue at the time was ignored free kicks for the Crows, rather than ones paid to the Dogs.

It was one of those games, where you look at the frees and say "Yes I can see why he paid it" but the problem is why they ignored similar offences the other way.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Roo channelling his inner "right in front of me' guy here.

 

[jack merrigum]

This game now really interests me and Id love to find it.

But saw a lot of Crows posters saying on their board it may have been one where they marked it anyway? Grain of salt, but to be fair also, it makes sense they would rememeber.

Right here: https://www.afl.com.au/video/match-replays/2016

I've read Crows fans say that, and that he paid an out of zone that ruined a forward entry. Neither of those things are true.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Right here: https://www.afl.com.au/video/match-replays/2016

I've read Crows fans say that, and that he paid an out of zone that ruined a forward entry. Neither of those things are true.

Cheers mate. Can't wait to watch this tonight, with a couple of beers, hoping to be outraged.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

We are still laughably naive (or self-righteously patriotic) about the potential for corruption in Australian sport.

I remember as a teenager in the 90s (think it was 1994), the year Diesel Williams won the Brownlow, after effectively being robbed the year before (people may recall he gobbed off to Murray Bird in a 44 possession game and didn't poll a vote. Bird himself was once memorably described in an AFL book as 'Nice suntan, shocking umpire').

It was the embryonic days of sports betting (think Centrebet/Gerard Daffy) and I remember being told by a mate (whose family were in country Victoria) that an umpire who came from here had told them that Peter Matera

Peter Matera

Age

56

Ht

183cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

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Last 5

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18.8

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14.0

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HB

4.9

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3.6

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2.4

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0.9

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12.2

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9.0

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3.2

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3.2

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0.6

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was going to poll a shit load of votes. Matera had a serviceable but not spectacular year.

And lo and behold, Matera nearly pipped Diesel (28 votes to 30).

Come back to the present day, with a billion dollar industry, it boggles the mind.

 

[jack merrigum]

The biggest issue at the time was ignored free kicks for the Crows, rather than ones paid to the Dogs.

It was one of those games, where you look at the frees and say "Yes I can see why he paid it" but the problem is why they ignored similar offences the other way.

Cool. Take away all the errors (including one FK that was inconclusive on camera) and only credit Adelaide with the 50/50s and missed FKs (I counted two, both relating to new or loose HTB interpretations at the time which may have been ticked off), and his tally changes from 16-1 to a 'still biased' 14-5. Also had 50/50s for Dogs he didn't buy into, and an OOZ paid over him that he could see but didn't pay, which went to the Dogs (possibly explaining his reported count as 17-1, unless I missed something on review). The commentary addressed the overall discrepancy at the time and didn't think anything of it. If he was actively trying to get the Dogs up, he would have pulled something out when the margin got close in the last few minutes. Happy to provide decisions/timestamps.

 

[apollo_creed]

Cool. Take away all the errors (including one FK that was inconclusive on camera) and only credit Adelaide with the 50/50s and missed FKs (I counted two, both relating to new or loose HTB interpretations at the time which may have been ticked off), and his tally changes from 16-1 to a 'still biased' 14-5. Also had 50/50s for Dogs he didn't buy into, and an OOZ paid over him that he could see but didn't pay, which went to the Dogs (possibly explaining his reported count as 17-1, unless I missed something on review). The commentary addressed the overall discrepancy at the time and didn't think anything of it. If he was actively trying to get the Dogs up, he would have pulled something out when the margin got close in the last few minutes. Happy to provide decisions/timestamps.

You know they can track you, Troy?

 

[Mofra]

You know they can track you, Troy?

Troy "VPN" Pannell brushes off your jibes

 

[matthew_s]

Everyone is mentioning this 17-1 free kick count, is there actual footage of the free kicks he gave?

No, the AFL decided to not broadcast this game. Seemed a weird decision at the time but makes more sense now.

 

[Doggy Dan]

No, the AFL decided to not broadcast this game. Seemed a weird decision at the time but makes more sense now.

So there is no historical vision of this game anywhere?

 

[Doggy Dan]

Bloke is brazenly corrupt, of course he was giving us a massive ride. Nothing the Dogs should feel bad about, we didn’t employ him or roster him to our games . The league on the other hand.

 

[AFL4ME]

When was the issue of gambling raised? I haven’t seen any reports yet.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a bit of "insider trading" happening with old mate Troy

 

[matthew_s]

So there is no historical vision of this game anywhere?

Nope. It's been lost forever, much like those early Dr Who episodes.

 

[Retzlaff]

You know they can track you, Troy?

Boy oh boy look at that posting history. Probably the first bigfooty user in Bogota

 

[Saint12]

You know they can track you, Troy?

No way they will track him....threw everyone off scent with that Tasmania red herring.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Genuinely one of the oldest frauds in the book, and unless you are at a very disorganised company, only lasts until the next stocktake.

There was that amazing case , and this is only 4-5 years ago , and it was a Public listed company and pretty sure they are still trading , and being public listed they would have been audited every year

They were an electrical appliance store had shops all over Aust , cant remember their name , may have been Joyce Main - they were trading nicely and making good Net Profits , they had a couple of CEO during the period , and they thought where making good profits but where was all the money going , they had no money

They had this lady Accountant and she got away with this for about 7-8 years , she had authority to pay accounts , and she was stealing large sums of money , so say she authorised a large payment , say 350k , the money would go to one of her bank accounts . On the payment narration in the Accounting records , she would put Phillips or whoever the Wholesaler was that they bought the TVs Fridges etc , and she would update the perpetual stock figures , so it looked like a bona fide stock purchase

How she got away with it i think , is when they did the physical stock takes , all the count sheets would come back to her , and she would fraudently alter those to match the bull shiit perpetual stock numbers in the computerised accounting records , so no red lights went off , everything looked accurate and good

When she got finally caught , and it might have even been 10 years she got away with it , she had about a $15- $20 million Blue Chip Property portfolio in the elite Eastern Suburbs of Sydney , thats where she was pumping all the stolen money

 

[Rabish Binney]

The Crom sook about everything. They are so self entitled that they cannot handle when things don’t go their way.

David Kochhead says hello

 

[Rabish Binney]

Nope. It's been lost forever, much like those early Dr Who episodes.

Where's Abraham Zapruder when you need him?

 

[Doggy Dan]

Nope. It's been lost forever, much like those early Dr Who episodes.

I refuse to believe there is no vision, if so, this seems a bigger scandal than Pannell himself. It was 2016, footy was a billion $ sport, and there is an entire game with no footage. How could this be? What would have happened if there was a suspension or MRO? How did the coaches run through their tapes to review the game?