Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Right of centre on somethings doesn't make them a right party. They still have plenty of left policies on their agenda. I don't see them as pro big business or anti union action. I don't know what pro intervention is. What are they intervening in?

Pro foreign intervention. Falling in line behind the US.

Rudd’s government killed the ability to strike, for anti union action. I don’t mean they are anti-union, but they are against unions actually striking etc.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

A moderately good election for Greens though.

Kept Adam Bandt by a comfy margin, kept all the senators, and look to hold balance of power in the senate.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Gamers rise up

 

[Andre]

The Greens need to embrace nuke if they’re going to go anywhere. But that won’t happen because the hippie boomers are as immovable as the Tory boomers.

This is the one. Everyone in the whole country could have voted Green, decided to go Vegan eating only home grown produce, not using any electricity, plastic or artificial product and it'd make 2 fifths of **** all difference to the world.

Massively up mining of Uranium, process here and export around the world and we can take huge amounts of coal out of use AND make a shit load of money for Australia as well. It's the ****ing policy that should get buy in from the Left and Right (for different reasons), yet neither support it. It's ****ed.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

A moderately good election for Greens though.

Kept Adam Bandt by a comfy margin, kept all the senators, and look to hold balance of power in the senate.

I know a person who flipped from being a greens member to voting one nation after being radicalised to the far right on immigration because the trains were full of “immigrants” (asians and brown people) when he moved to Sydney.

Talking to him about politics regularly last year destroyed my health honestly.

I’m not sure what this has to do with anything, but that’s one vote the greens lost I guess.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

I know a person who flipped from being a greens member to voting one nation after being radicalised to the far right on immigration because the trains were full of “immigrants” (asians and brown people) when he moved to Sydney.

Talking to him about politics regularly last year destroyed my health honestly.

I’m not sure what this has to do with anything, but that’s one vote the greens lost I guess.

Your mate doesn't sound very smart.

 

[Papa G]

Is Kiss from a Rozee an incarnation of somebody else or has he/she/hen just burst on the scene?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Is Kiss from a Rozee an incarnation of somebody else or has he/she/hen just burst on the scene?

He is mine and Portia’s love child

 

[Magus]

I vote for a shittalking thread devoid of politics.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

Your mate doesn't sound very smart.

Why do you think he moved to Sydney

 

[bomberclifford]

Your mate doesn't sound very smart.

... or very real.

 

[Andre]

I agree it's a tricky way of looking at nuclear. Do we hedge our bets and try to reignite the nuclear debate with the aim of supporting generation with nuclear in the long term?

The problem I see is in getting the industry up and running in the first place. We can't even agree where to host a bloody low-level radioactive storage facility, how long is it going to take to win community acceptance for nuclear power? Then what to do with all the waste? We can't start creating the regulatory framework until those issues have been addressed, and that could take years in itself.

It's not just having Nuclear reactors here though. That's the small change part. Right now countries around the world are making choices for new Power stations between coal, gas and nuclear. We should be selling uranium much more and encouraging them to go Nuclear. This is separate from having Nuclear reactors ourselves.

As for waste, that's another one where the Greens should be pragmatic. We have Woomera and other remote areas that are geographically stable and barely populated. Australia could make billions by having the world's nuclear waste dump. Charged for on a yearly basis, don't pay and we send it back. Pour that money into Renewable research and setup then. Jobs, a safer storage of waste world wide, money for Australia. Win-win-win, but again ideological fear mongering rather than a true desire to solve the issues, even if it means doing the 'not perfect' option yet, as it's not practical.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Mad leftie becoming a mad right winger happens often. Don't know of many that go the other way. Although John Hewson going from Fightback to endorsing the Greens this election might be an example.

Paddy McGuiness, the economist who wrote for just about every paper in Australia, as he seemed to piss everyone he worked for was a good example of mad leftie turning into to a mad rightie. I used to read his dribble and wondered why I was wasting my time. But one thing he wrote after about 8-10 years of reading his stuff was worth it all.

He said most pro-lifers, who talk about the sanctity of life are hypocrites because they are also pro death penalty and said the reverse was true with pro abortion supporters, being anti death penalty.

He didn't write anything as compelling again in the stuff I read of his for another 5 years or more.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

Can't agree with that REH.

Most people talking about the sanctity of life use a religious background to support this, so they're often bound to an ideology that can be caught out. Jesus was a very forgivey guy.

There's nothing inately hypocritical about being pro-choice and anti-death penalty, and I'm not aware of a commonly believed dogma that has a firm position putting those views in opposition. Well, except the same religion as the first guy.

If you're not religious, no conflict. Easy for a leftie pinko commie, but harder for the right wing gun nut playing on `family values''

 

[Doctor Feel]

Vote Quimby

 

[Chrizzt]

It's not just having Nuclear reactors here though. That's the small change part. Right now countries around the world are making choices for new Power stations between coal, gas and nuclear. We should be selling uranium much more and encouraging them to go Nuclear. This is separate from having Nuclear reactors ourselves.

As for waste, that's another one where the Greens should be pragmatic. We have Woomera and other remote areas that are geographically stable and barely populated. Australia could make billions by having the world's nuclear waste dump. Charged for on a yearly basis, don't pay and we send it back. Pour that money into Renewable research and setup then. Jobs, a safer storage of waste world wide, money for Australia. Win-win-win, but again ideological fear mongering rather than a true desire to solve the issues, even if it means doing the 'not perfect' option yet, as it's not practical.

There's not much more we can be doing to sell uranium. Most of what we sell is a by-product of Olympic Dam's copper production. The price of uranium could triple and it wouldn't have the slightest effect on BHP's decision to not expand OD. So that means we sell what we have to other countries so they can enrich and convert it to nuke fuel, then sell to power plants. That whole process is bound up in long term contracts, and given that worldwide nuke capacity is only very slightly increasing over the next 20 years there's no reason to ramp up production.

Increasing nuclear power capacity isn't limited by fuel availability or costs, but social acceptance.

I fully agree with radwaste storage, and it would likely be worth billions to us - but that won't have much of an effect on climate change or nuclear power usage.

 

[Power Girl]

Vote Quimby

Always reminds me of this
Joe Quimby: Remember, if anyone asks, you're my niece from out of town.
Mayor Quimby's niece: I am your niece, Uncle Joe.
Quimby: Good lord, I'm an abomination!

 

[Doctor Feel]

Always reminds me of this
Joe Quimby: Remember, if anyone asks, you're my niece from out of town.
Mayor Quimby's niece: I am your niece, Uncle Joe.
Quimby: Good lord, I'm an abomination!

When homer is looking for Marge after she leaves the house (I think because he has a gun and refuses to get rid of it) and hes knocking down all the doors at the motel and each time he does it, the occupants scream or say something, then he opens one and you just here Quimby go "Vote Quimby" when he's clearly with a lady of the night.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Can't agree with that REH.

Most people talking about the sanctity of life use a religious background to support this, so they're often bound to an ideology that can be caught out. Jesus was a very forgivey guy.

There's nothing inately hypocritical about being pro-choice and anti-death penalty, and I'm not aware of a commonly believed dogma that has a firm position putting those views in opposition. Well, except the same religion as the first guy.

If you're not religious, no conflict. Easy for a leftie pinko commie, but harder for the right wing gun nut playing on `family values''

There is a degree of hypocrisy if you say its alright to kill an unborn child, yet its not ok to kill someone who has gone and murdered 70 people in Norway, because we have to be compassionate in a civilized world. He deserves the death penalty.

I take the attitude that both, are acceptable in limited circumstances.

 

[Andre]

Vote Quimby

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

 

[Doctor Feel]

 

[Magpiespower]

So glad I stumbled across Grumpy Skeletor...

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

There is a degree of hypocrisy if you say its alright to kill an unborn child, yet its not ok to kill someone who has gone and murdered 70 people in Norway, because we have to be compassionate in a civilized world. He deserves the death penalty.

Even in this you're relying on someone's view on the death penalty being that we have to be compassionate in a civilized world to make it a hypocritical viewpoint. There's no explicit hypocrisy if thats not your view.

My personal main reasons to oppose a death penalty are its potential abuses by a tyrannical government, the likelihood of racial and other inequalities being a factor in its deployment, and that being painlessly dead is not inconceivably an easier out for a particularly vile criminal than living with the consequences of what you've done (which is why you get murder suicides).

 

[chiwigi]

Mad leftie becoming a mad right winger happens often. Don't know of many that go the other way. Although John Hewson going from Fightback to endorsing the Greens this election might be an example.

Paddy McGuiness, the economist who wrote for just about every paper in Australia, as he seemed to piss everyone he worked for was a good example of mad leftie turning into to a mad rightie. I used to read his dribble and wondered why I was wasting my time. But one thing he wrote after about 8-10 years of reading his stuff was worth it all.

He said most pro-lifers, who talk about the sanctity of life are hypocrites because they are also pro death penalty and said the reverse was true with pro abortion supporters, being anti death penalty.

He didn't write anything as compelling again in the stuff I read of his for another 5 years or more.

The pro life are the only hypocrites in that situation as most pro choice don't believe abortion is killing a human being.

 

[Contested Marx]

Just quietly I'm looking forward to the GoT outrage instead of politics in this thread.