Tuck the Sub and more

[TimeFor11]

I know its well and truly past but been it's been on my mind since after Thursdays game. I am not sure what the situation with Tuck is but I feel as though he may well be the perfect sub.

I read that Dimma was waiting til rnd 3 or 4 before bringing Tuck back into the team when the pace had slowed. Well if you just waiting until half way through the 3rd term the pace has slowed considerably, you insert Tuck when the opponents have lost some run and his negatives become less and his positives enhanced.

If he is fit I believe Shane Tuck could be the AFLs first supersub. (Side note there should be a reward for this much the same as 6th man in NBA).

Just some more delayed thoughts from Thursday, I was pretty disappointed with how poorly we spread defensively from clearances as Carlton just seemed to find space whenever they won the clearance (70% of the time).

Therefore even though I have canned him a lot in the past a seasoned body in King must come in this week to add run and the boys in the middle need to put in a much better performance.

 

[nut]

Leaving Tuck out of the game against Carlton was STUPID.... I side that dominates clearances we leave our best clearance player out... Cost us the game I think.

 

[NQTIGER]

Leaving Tuck out of the game against Carlton was STUPID.... I side that dominates clearances we leave our best clearance player out... Cost us the game I think.

Absolutely but hey we are a developing side, why would you play your best clearance and hardest body player.

Doing that stifles DEVELOPMENT, god forbid we start winning some games as that would be anti development.

Its better to leave a culture that accepts losing.

 

[TimeFor11]

So by the above he is fit, how did he go for the Burgers?

 

[Croat tiger]

So by the above he is fit, how did he go for the Burgers?

Don't think he played, the burgers tried a lot of kids and did well.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

He'll be back by the time we play the Pies

 

[CallMeAl]

Don't think he played, the burgers tried a lot of kids and did well.

If you're referring to tuck, he played. He was one of, if not the best for coburg and really stood up, giving plenty of drive out of the center in the last 1/4

 

[TigerTank]

Tuck is in our best 18. FFS play him!
Didn't we go through this same crap last year?

 

[nut]

Absolutely but hey we are a developing side, why would you play your best clearance and hardest body player.

Doing that stifles DEVELOPMENT, god forbid we start winning some games as that would be anti development.

Its better to leave a culture that accepts losing.

What are we developing???? a side that chases opposition midfielders??? I know our younger players need exposure but by playing Tuck we get a hard bodied, clearance machine that can protect the youngsters and do the dirty work for them until they get bigger.... Thats why we recruited Houli and Grigg.

Leaving Tuck out of the side was a big mistake by the football department.... DH needs to admit to his mistake and play him against the Saints... if he doesn't he will go down a notch in my book. If he plays him then he goes up a notch because he can see that leaving him out was a huge mistake and he is able to admit his mistake....

 

[nut]

Tuck is in our best 18. FFS play him!
Didn't we go through this same crap last year?

Exactly.....

 

[Ralll]

Our younger mids are going to become clearence machines in Cotch/Martin/Foley/Jackson, but after getting smashed in that area on thurs I agree that Tuck should be picked still. They're not ready yet.

 

[CallMeAl]

What are we developing???? a side that chases opposition midfielders??? I know our younger players need exposure but by playing Tuck we get a hard bodied, clearance machine that can protect the youngsters and do the dirty work for them until they get bigger.... Thats why we recruited Houli and Grigg.

Leaving Tuck out of the side was a big mistake by the football department.... DH needs to admit to his mistake and play him against the Saints... if he doesn't he will go down a notch in my book. If he plays him then he goes up a notch because he can see that leaving him out was a huge mistake and he is able to admit his mistake....

Dimma explains the situation with tuck in this interview;
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/342886/default.aspx

 

[nut]

Dimma explains the situation with tuck in this interview;
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/342886/default.aspx

Listened to it.... and he mentioned if he is the best available then he will play... well he is our best clearance player so he should have played round 1.... especially against a side that are a clearance machine....

It's a little cross against Dimma in my view.... Tuck should be playing...

 

[NQTIGER]

Listened to it.... and he mentioned if he is the best available then he will play... well he is our best clearance player so he should have played round 1.... especially against a side that are a clearance machine....

It's a little cross against Dimma in my view.... Tuck should be playing...

My thoughts too especially when Dimma came out and said our mids stunk it up, not that any of saw that.

 

[mitch richmond]

I know its well and truly past but been it's been on my mind since after Thursdays game. I am not sure what the situation with Tuck is but I feel as though he may well be the perfect sub.

I read that Dimma was waiting til rnd 3 or 4 before bringing Tuck back into the team when the pace had slowed. Well if you just waiting until half way through the 3rd term the pace has slowed considerably, you insert Tuck when the opponents have lost some run and his negatives become less and his positives enhanced.

If he is fit I believe Shane Tuck could be the AFLs first supersub. (Side note there should be a reward for this much the same as 6th man in NBA).

Just some more delayed thoughts from Thursday, I was pretty disappointed with how poorly we spread defensively from clearances as Carlton just seemed to find space whenever they won the clearance (70% of the time).

Therefore even though I have canned him a lot in the past a seasoned body in King must come in this week to add run and the boys in the middle need to put in a much better performance.

I agree Tucky should've been in the side and good call on Kingy but where did Hardwick say he'd wait til rnd 3 or 4? I missed that.
On a side note an awad for best sub - That's all we need!!! They can't even get The Rising Star right or The All Aust Team near right. Another corporate w##k award is all we need!

 

[folester41]

the young players need an experienced head to learn from, you can only learn so much from your experiences, having the support of someone like tuck would be highly beneficial (provided they dont watch his kicking)

 

[BearMe]

Poor move not playing Tuck, (unless he was not fit) he was in our top 6 players last year in areas such as hard ball gets, clearances ect. He is one of our only hard body players we have and he's not played, how can that be good for a side pushing s--t up hill? I would much prefer to play one less kid and at least be chance to develop winning mentality, with 22 new recruits from 2009 draft there must be more to gain in winning 8 to 10 games over 4 to 6 games in mind set?

 

[MightyTiger]

I'd rather get valuable game time and experience into our young midfield brigade coming through.

Helbig, Contin Jakobi and others should get game time through the absence of Tuck in the middle.

 

[captain blood 17]

FFS Dimma, do the obvious, put him in.

 

[CQTiger]

I'd rather get valuable game time and experience into our young midfield brigade coming through.

Helbig, Contin Jakobi and others should get game time through the absence of Tuck in the middle.

I think you put game time into young players near the end of the season when we have nothing to play for. At the start of the season we need to get a win under the belt and Tuck has a better chance of delivering that then the young guns

 

[jonty15]

Tuck has to play, what is Helbig going to gain in getting beaten by 10 goals the next 3 weeks? With Tuck, Jackson and Martin we have 3 big bodies to share the work and give Cotch Foley and Edwards a bit of protection. Why not make first year players earn their games through 3-4 great weeks with the burgers? Getting games into them gives them a sense of security... Why not make them scared to get dropped every week.

 

[thecotch]

I really don't understand what all the fuss is about tuck. Let's not kid ourselves. Tuck aint gonna get us to a grand final. Yes he's in and under but he has crap awareness, crap disposal, and has been on the verge of being flicked on a couple of occasions. He's lucky to be in the list. I'd prefer to put as many games into our young guns as possible and be competitive rather than have tuck in and skim over the line in the odd game or two.

Good decision keeping him out IMO.

 

[delediofan3]

Having Tuck out is stupid, he is a monster in clearances and with Martin having a bad first game, Tuck could have saved us with those monster clearances. If you say that having him in is anti-development how do you think our players will develop with no confidence in winning. Players will get better as they win. Having Tuck demonstrate the hardness of the game IS developing the younger kids.

This is my way of it, we should have a young guy as the sub and when we have the game over and done with and they are smashed we sub Tuck off

I'm very disappointed in Dimma, he himself was a tough player and this week he is putting in King so why not put Tuck in.

 

[asanque]

Why isn't Tuck playing?

http://www.news.com.au/richmond-coa...elders-on-notice/story-e6frf9jf-1226030894828

['"If our midfield's not better than last week we're in a lot of trouble, they were very very poor," he said."I think we got smashed in clearances by 18, which is a smashing of Biblical proportions.']


Is that because you are missing your best clearance player?


["(Tuck) is thereabouts, he had a reasonable game at Coburg last week, it's just a matter of how we fit him in. There's only a certain number of players you can play in those positions."']


Maybe fit him in the midfield for clearances?


Tuck is not fashionable, but he is still important to help the Tiger's young midfield.


Especially against St Kilda!

 

[Rayzorwire]

Ball and Tuck are very similar players with similar 'deficiencies,' good luck telling Malthouse at the beginning of last year that Ball couldn't be a worthy member of a premiership side because of his flaws, or that he's too slow to play for the first month of a season.

I think the decision to play Foley when ill ahead of a fit Tuck was far more unforgivable than just leaving Tuck out, so I'll be interested to see what difference a fit Foley makes to the mix we took in last week.

But I really have to say, again, when you have an advantage over every side in the comp in that we have five top-25 average clearance players (who've almost never played together), why on earth wouldn't you try to press that advantage by playing all of them and denying most oppositions enough ball out of the middle and the stoppages to beat you? We seriously rattled the Hawks doing that last year - IIRC offhand, that was the only time these five have ever all played together. That day we were up 13-2 or something in clearances at one stage in the 2Q.

Put a player or two from attack on the wing or behind the ball, play a forward line like Reiwoldt/Morton/King - all great one-on-one players who win more than they lose - and Vickery/Graham for extra height, give them space to work in, keep dominating the clearances and getting it to them quickly. Football's a deceptively simple game and the best way to make a complete trainwreck out of the opposition's strategy is to deny them enough first use out of the middle.

Finally, on the subject of Tuck as sub, I'd much prefer that we used him for the full game he can play right out, and nominate two first year players for the sub and subee (did I just invent a word? ). I'd rather see these kids going full-tilt for a half than trying to conserve their energy over a whole game and therefore, not doing the required amount of running for almost ANY stage of the game as we saw last week.