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[PattyKwasagun]

Can't agree with that kezz. I feel more sympathy for them than most do, but the decision they're making can't be seen as anything but a failure in a few ways.

In my opinion, if you want to stay with your family that's perfectly fine and you're entitled to that. If that's the case, though, you don't nominate for the draft in which the conditions are that you will quite likely leave home. Nominating for the draft is, in many ways, a commitment that you're okay with that. Because from that point, club's make heavy investments in these players, and them deciding that they don't want to be away from home after all leaves the club very disadvantaged.

Being a professional AFL player is both physically and mentally tough. Just like players who aren't physically up to it shouldn't be playing the game, those who mentally aren't able to cope with the realities of the elite level competition (whether that's media pressure, having to move away from your support network, being a public figure or a number of other things) shouldn't nominate for the draft either.

There's nothing wrong with feeling how they feel. But they shouldn't have nominated for the draft in that case.

 

[MacMum]

Still not eve close to.being the same thing. Carry on being delusional.

Hey, cut with the personal attack...kezz has a different view to you...big deal.

At least put your point across in a respectful manner, others have.

Kezz does not deserve to be treated in such a manner.

 

[James North]

I'm not sure labelling fellow Lions lovers is going to solve the fact that we all have our own reasons to feeling the way we do.

Every player is different. I think it's ridiculous that they want to go home because it's a national sport, and because personally I'd love to live away from my folks at 18

All that shows is that my upbringing is a little different from those who'd rather do the same job for the same cash near family ... and both are totally ok.

 

[patfullfankezz]

Still not eve close to.being the same thing. Carry on being delusional.

How is it delusional?

Why is it the end of the world for these players to leave? They're just doing what they think is best for them, and I'm not going to rip shreds off them for that. Sure, I'm sad they're going and wish they'd consider staying, but if they want to go, then going is probably best for both parties.

I'm truely sickened by some of the bile on here against these young men. Where do you draw the line between being a Club person and doing what's right by yourself? As far as I am concerned, you ALWAYS put yourself above everyone else - you can't take care of others if you're not 100%.

All they're doing is leaving a Club. By some of the reactions on here, you'd think they were murders or something. I'm seeing a very ugly side to the Lions fans that I never thought existed, and it's very upsetting.

 

[patfullfankezz]

Truthfully? I would feel an incredible sense of loyalty towards the club, the supporters and my mates.

I would want to see through what I started. I would feel that my sense of "team" was more important than simply being in my hometown.

And I would feel like, until I could prove otherwise, I would always be viewed as someone who may not have the mental fortitude to face something tough in life.

These guys clearly think differently to me though so it is a pretty irrelevant question to ask what I would do.

And that's fine. I'd rather stick close to friends and family, because taking care of my family is my number one priority as the eldest of the family.

These boys simply have a difference of priority to you. Is that such a crime?

 

[patfullfankezz]

Can't agree with that kezz. I feel more sympathy for them than most do, but the decision they're making can't be seen as anything but a failure in a few ways.

In my opinion, if you want to stay with your family that's perfectly fine and you're entitled to that. If that's the case, though, you don't nominate for the draft in which the conditions are that you will quite likely leave home. Nominating for the draft is, in many ways, a commitment that you're okay with that. Because from that point, club's make heavy investments in these players, and them deciding that they don't want to be away from home after all leaves the club very disadvantaged.

Being a professional AFL player is both physically and mentally tough. Just like players who aren't physically up to it shouldn't be playing the game, those who mentally aren't able to cope with the realities of the elite level competition (whether that's media pressure, having to move away from your support network, being a public figure or a number of other things) shouldn't nominate for the draft either.

There's nothing wrong with feeling how they feel. But they shouldn't have nominated for the draft in that case.

Actually, I can see the sense in it. Do a "deployment" away from home for two years, get myself set up and established as a player and then go home with a better income and better facilities to take care of friends/family. It's a pretty smart move IMO.

It's not the best for the Club, but that's why we have a retention all...nevermind (thank you Eddie).

 

[POBT]

And that's fine. I'd rather stick close to friends and family, because taking care of my family is my number one priority as the eldest of the family.

These boys simply have a difference of priority to you. Is that such a crime?

No but:

a) it explains why people are angry; and
b) calls into question why they ever committed to the draft in the first place.

 

[patfullfankezz]

No but:

a) it explains why people are angry; and
b) calls into question why they ever committed to the draft in the first place.

Why wouldn't you? Do a couple of years at an interstate club, set yourself up for a career, then come back home and play close to family and friends. It's genius IMO.

I could understand people being upset. But angry? I think that's going a bit too far. When rumours were going around earlier in Joel's career that he wanted to go home, I was sad for sure, but I wasn't ever angry with him because I could understand what it's like to be stuck somewhere you don't want to be. I even started hoping he got a trade back to Adelaide so he could play for the Club he supported as a kid. I was ready to watch Adelaide every week and support him (except against the Lions lol). But then the rumours were debunked and he stayed so all my sadness was kinda unneccessary.

 

[Quigley]

Actually, I can see the sense in it. Do a "deployment" away from home for two years, get myself set up and established as a player and then go home with a better income and better facilities to take care of friends/family. It's a pretty smart move IMO.

It's not the best for the Club, but that's why we have a retention all...nevermind (thank you Eddie).

If they had been honest and said that up front the club would not have wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars on them. If you feel that way be honest about it don't lead the club into thinking you are anything other than someone who will only ever play close to home. There are plenty of others and your actions have seriously damaged the club. In seriously damaging the club people are going to get upset with your duplicitousness.

 

[patfullfankezz]

If they had been honest and said that up front the club would not have wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars on them. If you feel that way be honest about it don't lead the club into thinking you are anything other than someone who will only ever play close to home. There are plenty of others and your actions have seriously damaged the club. In seriously damaging the club people are going to get upset with your duplicitousness.

Honestly? Diddums. I know when I left Oakey I ticked a fair few people off. They can build a bridge and get over it. Even before that when I left the Warehouse, they'd spent a fair bit of time training me up and weren't that thrilled to see me leave. Their own fault for their lousy culture as well as no opportunities for me to advance/move to Brisbane.

 

[Tairy Greene]

 

[patfullfankezz]

That GIF makes Abe look like he doesn't have feet.

 

[POBT]

Honestly? Diddums.

I'm not sure how you can think people are so uncaring when you are advocating what is essentially a selfish decision which negatively impacts so many people. I'm not saying it is a wrong decision - it is simply one that is focused purely on self.

I mean, you made the decision to move away from the workplace that you concede invested in you and were upset at your departure. Sure, you are entitled to and you probably shouldn't have to explain yourself either. It is a personal decision. But the people you let down are entitled to be pissed off too.

If we are going to continue to equate it with life experiences, I left an employer who trained me for a few years. I had all sorts of reasons for leaving, some personal and some being an issue with the workplace. When I left, people were pissed off. I left a hole in the organisation that they needed to fill. They had spent significantly on me in terms of training, mentoring and supervision. Just as their investment was beginning to pay dividends, I racked off.

Their reaction was completely natural and understandable. I knew that they were entitled to be pissed off. Some expressed that directly to me. That was the consequence I had to cop for my decision.

You make grown up decisions, you have to be willing to wear the consequences of your actions.

 

[Bucking Beads]

This is a pointless argument because working at a warehouse is just like being an AFL footballer.

 

[Quigley]

Honestly? Diddums. I know when I left Oakey I ticked a fair few people off. They can build a bridge and get over it. Even before that when I left the Warehouse, they'd spent a fair bit of time training me up and weren't that thrilled to see me leave. Their own fault for their lousy culture as well as no opportunities for me to advance/move to Brisbane.

When I leave a place it costs an organisation several hundred thousand in lost productivity, recruitment costs, consultants etc. There is a limited number of people who can do my job. When I move the organisation will generally want a 5 year commitment from me. I currently work outside of a capital city and hence recruitment for my employer is even more difficult.

Unlike you if I was not prepared to stick out that 5 years I would not have come. There was no need for me to come here if I did not want to but once having made the commitment I stick to it. Ethically I would not feel right lying to a potential employer about that and even if I was not over the moon with the situation I would stick it out knowing how difficult the situation would be for them if I left and the committment I have made. Obviously my ethics are different from yours and applying my ethical expectations to the players is why I am upset with them.

 

[captainrich]

Honestly? Diddums. I know when I left Oakey I ticked a fair few people off. They can build a bridge and get over it. Even before that when I left the Warehouse, they'd spent a fair bit of time training me up and weren't that thrilled to see me leave. Their own fault for their lousy culture as well as no opportunities for me to advance/move to Brisbane.

not to be direspectful or anything but the way you started this conversation was wrong, whether people will turn on you for leaving brisbane to go south, im sure youre a die hard fan and the club is very lucky to haveyou, but why would people be turning on you and making the same remarks to you about you wanting to follow your parents it isnt a similar situation at all, hence Bucking Beads responses

 

[patfullfankezz]

I'm not sure how you can think people are so uncaring when you are advocating what is essentially a selfish decision which negatively impacts so many people. I'm not saying it is a wrong decision - it is simply one that is focused purely on self.

I mean, you made the decision to move away from the workplace that you concede invested in you and were upset at your departure. Sure, you are entitled to and you probably shouldn't have to explain yourself either. It is a personal decision. But the people you let down are entitled to be pissed off too.

If we are going to continue to equate it with life experiences, I left an employer who trained me for a few years. I had all sorts of reasons for leaving, some personal and some being an issue with the workplace. When I left, people were pissed off. I left a hole in the organisation that they needed to fill. They had spent significantly on me in terms of training, mentoring and supervision. Just as their investment was beginning to pay dividends, I racked off.

Their reaction was completely natural and understandable. I knew that they were entitled to be pissed off. Some expressed that directly to me. That was the consequence I had to cop for my decision.

You make grown up decisions, you have to be willing to wear the consequences of your actions.

Yes, but those people who were pissed never went and abused me, publically or otherwise (although the "blame everything on the person who left" policy applied). I'm now good friends still with many people who I left behind who eventually left themselves due to a very poor culture.

Let's look at the flipside - this Club can decide "nope, you're not getting a new contract, bye now" or even trade players away who might be happy where they are (Bradshaw and Rischer anyone?). The cookie crumbles both ways.

Sure, express sadness that people leave, it's a tough time. But abusing them or saying they have no right to farewell a Club legend is getting a bit far. It makes it even more understandable that they would want to leave - I wouldn't stay in a place that degraded people for doing what they thought was best for them.

 

[Fenway]

Can we all agree to disagree? This is going round in circles and I don't think anyone's about to change their opinion no matter how rational the argument.

 

[patfullfankezz]

not to be direspectful or anything but the way you started this conversation was wrong, whether people will turn on you for leaving brisbane to go south, im sure youre a die hard fan and the club is very lucky to haveyou, but why would people be turning on you and making the same remarks to you about you wanting to follow your parents it isnt a similar situation at all, hence Bucking Beads responses

How isn't it? People are dumping on players for wanting to be near their parents, so I just made the natural connection that they think anyone who follows their parents around must be sooks too.

I love my Club. It has given me so much. But I can't expect others to feel the same.

Like I said, be sad that they're gone, but don't abuse them for the decision. The abuse is what I'm really upset about. Especially the comments made on Twitter to these boys and the comments where people have expressed that they don't think these players have a right to congratulate Blacky on his wonderful career. Be upset, don't be mean about it.

When I leave a place it costs an organisation several hundred thousand in lost productivity, recruitment costs, consultants etc. There is a limited number of people who can do my job. When I move the organisation will generally want a 5 year commitment from me. I currently work outside of a capital city and hence recruitment for my employer is even more difficult.

Unlike you if I was not prepared to stick out that 5 years I would not have come. There was no need for me to come here if I did not want to but once having made the commitment I stick to it. Ethically I would not feel right lying to a potential employer about that and even if I was not over the moon with the situation I would stick it out knowing how difficult the situation would be for them if I left and the committment I have made. Obviously my ethics are different from yours and applying my ethical expectations to the players is why I am upset with them.

I would have made the commitment had they followed up with their promise to get me to Brisbane. They didn't, I left, mangement wasn't happy.

 

[Fenway]

Can we all agree to disagree? This is going round in circles and I don't think anyone's about to change their opinion no matter how rational the argument.

And by that I mean, no matter how rational the argument from EITHER side. Not having a go!

 

[patfullfankezz]

Can we all agree to disagree? This is going round in circles and I don't think anyone's about to change their opinion no matter how rational the argument.

I don't disagree on being upset with the players going, I just wish the nasty comments would stop. That's my only grievance here.

Otherwise I'm happy to leave it be in about 20 minutes when I knock off and catch the train home.

 

[Happy_Neale]

I don't disagree on being upset with the players going, I just wish the nasty comments would stop. That's my only grievance here.

Otherwise I'm happy to leave it be in about 20 minutes when I knock off and catch the train home.

Gonna be a tough task getting all of Bigfooty to stop with 'nasty' comments Kezz

 

[BuntonRules]

I have just put patfullfankezz on ignore, because I come on here to read about, & discuss football - and the Lions in particular but everything winds up about her. I do not care about everyone elses issues - I care about the Lions.

 

[MacMum]

I have just put patfullfankezz on ignore, because I come on here to read about, & discuss football - and the Lions in particular but everything winds up about her. I do not care about everyone elses issues - I care about the Lions.

You are kidding?? Kezz on ignore? Seems a tad harsh imo.

 

[growler]

Lets have a group hug shall we?
Some say they are homesick and thats cool.
The rest of us think they are sooks and thats cool too.