Two weeks for this?

[Bulldocker]

Yep. The rules have changed, and the right thing to do has changed with it.

Troll alert everybody! Either that or Ian just has NFI about contact sport!

 

[IanW]

Troll alert everybody! Either that or Ian just has NFI about contact sport!

On the contrary.

Ive got quite a bit of a clue about how bodies move violently in space.

And if you want to protect brains, and specifically the brains of footy players from becoming what we used to call punch-drunk, we need to change the way we play.

And that means, in small part, Fyfe needs to improve the heck out of his shit hip and shoulder technique.

Total control is whats needed - make Karmichael Hunt your guide. You never, ever, ever want to hit someone in an unintended manner.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

Suspensions these days have too large ramifications for too minor and accidental incidents. If the AFL wants to change behavoiur in something like this, which seems pretty stupid and futile, they should find another way rather than sitting players out.

It is clear that such suspensions do influence the results of games, and therefore can influence teams' positions on the ladder and sometimes premierships.

The interpretation of such minor incidents under the points system also leaves a large amount of room to pick and choose, and enables bias in decisions toward some players and teams and against others. This is far less likely to happen with the incidents that we all think should be reportable where a clear intent and malicious act are present.

It's a blight on our competition that fair play ever results in a suspension.

 

[Bulldocker]

On the contrary.

Ive got quite a bit of a clue about how bodies move violently in space.

And if you want to protect brains, and specifically the brains of footy players from becoming what we used to call punch-drunk, we need to change the way we play.

And that means, in small part, Fyfe needs to improve the heck out of his shit hip and shoulder technique.

Total control is whats needed - make Karmichael Hunt your guide. You never, ever, ever want to hit someone in an unintended manner.

Though you still can't explain away the absence of any law governing any other accidental head clashes, you continue to extol the greatness of this one. Please, oh divine one, tell us all where YOU expect the ruling to begin and end? A head clash in the middle of a pack? A head clash in a marking contest? A head clash between teammates?
Surely, if you do not say that they should all be cited and rubbed out for weeks, then you are the greatest of all hypocrites!!!

I say again - ACCIDENTAL IS ACCIDENTAL. Malicious acts of cowardice was what the MRP was originally put in place to protect against.

But next time you do something in life by accident - please feel free to insert a hot poker as penance for your indiscretion!

You are a fair dinkum tool.

 

[IanW]

Though you still can't explain away the absence of any law governing any other accidental head clashes, you contiue to extol the greatness of this one. Please, oh divine one, tell us all where YOU expect the ruling to begin and end? A head clash in the middle of a pack? A head clash in a marking contest? A head clash between teammates?
Surely, if you do not say that they should all be cited and rubbed out for weeks, then you are the greatest of all hypocrites!!!

I say again - ACCIDENTAL IS ACCIDENTAL. Malicious acts of cowardice was what the MRP was originally put in place to protect against.

But next time you do something in life by accident - please feel free to insert a hot poker as penance for your indiscretion!

You are a fair dinkum tool.

Bulldocker,

Stop thinking like a sports fan.

Start thinking like brain damage and Occupational Health and Safety matters.

We have a workplace. Its got a safety risk called brain damage.

We can still run the workplace if we mitigate that risk - footy still exists if we ping people who accidentally hit the head while doing a hip and shoulder, because they made a bad decision and decided to use a risky technique they were bad at.

Alternatively, we can pretend that risk doesnt exist, and that people can be personally reckless, by going up rather than down when they hit, and their employer can be negligent, by neglecting to enforce the rules that protect the players from brain damage.

This will, of course, completely stuff the code when someone is shown to have copped permanent brain damage and goes to the lawyers.

The simple way to do this is to just ban the hip and shoulder - rugby league just did that by outlawing the shoulder charge, and union has had it illegal for a good long time.

The hip and shoulder is different, because with a marking contest, the intent is on the ball, not on doing damage to the opponent.

And with a head clash in the middle of a pack - yeah. I think both ducking in the tackle and leading with the head, should be rewarded with weeks off. If the head is sacred, you shouldnt use it as a weapon ... if you had prior opportunity to raise your head and you didnt, or if you led with your head to stop a legal tackle, then it stops being an accident, and starts being something you created.

Oh, and if you cant do a good hip and shoulder, one that keeps your weight down and the heads safe, leave it in the kit bag.

 

[Bulldocker]

Bulldocker,

Stop thinking like a sports fan.

Start thinking like brain damage and Occupational Health and Safety matters.

We have a workplace. Its got a safety risk called brain damage.

We can still run the workplace if we mitigate that risk - footy still exists if we ping people who accidentally hit the head while doing a hip and shoulder, because they made a bad decision and decided to use a risky technique they were bad at.

Alternatively, we can pretend that risk doesnt exist, and that people can be personally reckless, by going up rather than down when they hit, and their employer can be negligent, by neglecting to enforce the rules that protect the players from brain damage.

This will, of course, completely stuff the code when someone is shown to have copped permanent brain damage and goes to the lawyers.

The simple way to do this is to just ban the hip and shoulder - rugby league just did that by outlawing the shoulder charge, and union has had it illegal for a good long time.

The hip and shoulder is different, because with a marking contest, the intent is on the ball, not on doing damage to the opponent.

And with a head clash in the middle of a pack - yeah. I think both ducking in the tackle and leading with the head, should be rewarded with weeks off. If the head is sacred, you shouldnt use it as a weapon ... if you had prior opportunity to raise your head and you didnt, or if you led with your head to stop a legal tackle, then it stops being an accident, and starts being something you created.

Oh, and if you cant do a good hip and shoulder, one that keeps your weight down and the heads safe, leave it in the kit bag.

Did I already mention you're a deadset tool?
For chrissakes, where the hell did you come from - OHS jargonland? Fresh out of uni perhaps with all these wonderful angles on litigation and duty of care?? FFS, I am yet to hear from any current player, coach or fan that agrees with you other than a few other nuffie trolls on this site. Even the head of the players association has publicly stated his disdain for this ridiculous rule. Players do have one other option though. If there is a fear of accidental head contact when they take up a full contact sport, then maybe badminton or chequers is the game for them!
BTW, I will once again pose the question and see if you can stop skirting around the scenario..... This one occurred today. David Mundy in a scrimmage for the ball with an opponent - Luke McPharlin then CHOSE to dive in to the contest, accidentally clashing heads with his teammate. Mundy is subbed out with concussion. Should/will Mcpharlin be cited because he had an option not to enter the contest?
Now, go and take a nice cold shower before you dive into your OHS manual again.

 

[IanW]

Did I already mention you're a deadset tool?
For chrissakes, where the hell did you come from - OHS jargonland? Fresh out of uni perhaps with all these wonderful angles on litigation and duty of care?? FFS, I am yet to hear from any current player, coach or fan that agrees with you other than a few other nuffie trolls on this site. Even the head of the players association has publicly stated his disdain for this ridiculous rule. Players do have one other option though. If there is a fear of accidental head contact when they take up a full contact sport, then maybe badminton or chequers is the game for them!
BTW, I will once again pose the question and see if you can stop skirting around the scenario..... This one occurred today. David Mundy in a scrimmage for the ball with an opponent - Luke McPharlin then CHOSE to dive in to the contest, accidentally clashing heads with his teammate. Mundy is subbed out with concussion. Should/will Mcpharlin be cited because he had an option not to enter the contest?
Now, go and take a nice cold shower before you dive into your OHS manual again.

I'm just going to drop this here.

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2012/196/9/need-tackle-concussion-australian-football-codes

 

[clogged]

Did I already mention you're a deadset tool?

He's an unmitigated tool it would seem.

IanW what's you defence of similar hits to the head being let off? For instance, Howlett's hit on Sandilands?

Where's the OH&S?

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Them's the rules. Elect to bump + any contact with the head = you're done.

(i don't like it either.)

Buddy came in contact with Thompson's head this week. Deemed insufficient.

 

[Maddo11]

Buddy came in contact with Thompson's head this week. Deemed insufficient.

Wasn't bumping.

 

[IanW]

IanW what's you defence of similar hits to the head being let off? For instance, Howlett's hit on Sandilands?

Where's the OH&S?[/quote]

Clogged,

That frozen image shows nothing. Get some real tape and we'll discuss the issue of forward momentum and who is initiating the contact.

 

[awaremind]

IanW what's you defence of similar hits to the head being let off? For instance, Howlett's hit on Sandilands?

Where's the OH&S?

Clogged,

That frozen image shows nothing. Get some real tape and we'll discuss the issue of forward momentum and who is initiating the contact.[/quote]
Howlett ran straight for him as he was crawling on the ground!!!! The MRP is an absolute joke, it seemingly exists to protect tools like buddy and remove fremantles best players every second week. The only consistent thing is a fremantle or geelong penalty will be harsher than all other teams.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Wasn't bumping.

Understand. But the head is sacrosanct.

 

[TheMcGrathMan]

Give me a ****ing break. Buddy did no more than slap Thompson. Fremantle players are not unfairly treated by the MRP. Fyfe shouldn't kick people in future if he does not want a bad record to affect him under new, albeit soft, rules.

 

[22 others]

Give me a ******* break. Buddy did no more than slap Thompson. Fremantle players are not unfairly treated by the MRP. Fyfe shouldn't kick people in future if he does not want a bad record to affect him under new, albeit soft, rules.

I love how he got his bad record for a previous f**k up from the MRP. Freo players are used to set the tone for new rules like this. See Michael Johnson in 2007 and Broughton in 2012.

 

[Maddo11]

Understand. But the head is sacrosanct.

Not if you only do enough damage to cause a fly some minor discomfort.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

He went for the player instead of the ball and got him in the head. He therefore deserves to be suspended.

Like I said, he went for the player instead of the ball and got him in the head. He therefore deserves to be suspended.

Thoughts?

 

[IanW]

He's an unmitigated tool it would seem.

IanW what's you defence of similar hits to the head being let off? For instance, Howlett's hit on Sandilands?

Where's the OH&S?

OK, dropping another article about why footy needs to change.

Remember Diesel's career ? Well. He cant. Not all of it, at least.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/concussion-a-concern-from-elite-to-schools-20130227-2f6c2.html

Now, regarding that specific incident, if I was in charge.

Attempted head-butt, with the Fremantle player being stupidly dangerous and diving horizontally, attempting to use his head as a weapon to clear space.

Four weeks for the attempted head-butt, and two weeks for the Essendon player for not pulling out of the hip and shoulder once it was clear the player was attempting a head butt.

As both players fouled, ball up.

 

[clogged]

OK, dropping another article about why footy needs to change.

Remember Diesel's career ? Well. He cant. Not all of it, at least.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/concussion-a-concern-from-elite-to-schools-20130227-2f6c2.html

Now, regarding that specific incident, if I was in charge.

Attempted head-butt, with the Fremantle player being stupidly dangerous and diving horizontally, attempting to use his head as a weapon to clear space.

Four weeks for the attempted head-butt, and two weeks for the Essendon player for not pulling out of the hip and shoulder once it was clear the player was attempting a head butt.

As both players fouled, ball up.

You're a fool.

 

[Tippy78]

Disgraceful decision and just another in the long line of terrible tribunal decisions over the past 5 years. Fundamentally changing our game for the worse.

 

[Tippy78]

OK, dropping another article about why footy needs to change.

Remember Diesel's career ? Well. He cant. Not all of it, at least.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/concussion-a-concern-from-elite-to-schools-20130227-2f6c2.html

Now, regarding that specific incident, if I was in charge.

Attempted head-butt, with the Fremantle player being stupidly dangerous and diving horizontally, attempting to use his head as a weapon to clear space.

Four weeks for the attempted head-butt, and two weeks for the Essendon player for not pulling out of the hip and shoulder once it was clear the player was attempting a head butt.

As both players fouled, ball up.

If things head the way you are describing, then contact sport will not exist. The high flying mark will certainly be outlawed and what about tackling? Jack frost yesterday slammed a north guy into the ground in a beautiful front on tackle. The north guy hit his head on the ground and took a little while to get back into the game. Tackling outlawed?

Society needs to understand the risks of contact sport and accept them. People playing footy are going to get hurt. They should have no recompense after they finish to sue their employer.

Bad luck Diesel. He signed up to play a contact sport. Case dismissed

 

[hoss]

OK, dropping another article about why footy needs to change.

Remember Diesel's career ? Well. He cant. Not all of it, at least.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/concussion-a-concern-from-elite-to-schools-20130227-2f6c2.html

Now, regarding that specific incident, if I was in charge.

Attempted head-butt, with the Fremantle player being stupidly dangerous and diving horizontally, attempting to use his head as a weapon to clear space.

Four weeks for the attempted head-butt, and two weeks for the Essendon player for not pulling out of the hip and shoulder once it was clear the player was attempting a head butt.

As both players fouled, ball up.

In my ten years on BigFooty you have the claim to fame as being the most unintelligent and uninformed dolt I have ever had the misfortune of reading. You can't be serious?

 

[strobe00]

Now, regarding that specific incident, if I was in charge.

Attempted head-butt, with the Fremantle player being stupidly dangerous and diving horizontally, attempting to use his head as a weapon to clear space.

Four weeks for the attempted head-butt, and two weeks for the Essendon player for not pulling out of the hip and shoulder once it was clear the player was attempting a head butt.

As both players fouled, ball up.

you're such a blatant troll.

 

[strobe00]

The decision they make on Douglas this week will be very interesting. To me that looked like a head on head collision.

Very like the fyfe incident except douglas had a couple of seconds to think before committing, and ward had to be subbed off.

will be very interesting.

 

[Rob]

The decision they make on Douglas this week will be very interesting. To me that looked like a head on head collision.

Very like the fyfe incident except douglas had a couple of seconds to think before committing, and ward had to be subbed off.

will be very interesting.

I'd imagine it'll be the same decision as Fyfe, but the impact is either high or severe given Ward got concussion and had to be subbed.

So Negligent-High-High is 325 points
Negligent-Severe-High is 425 points. Probably the first one.

Enjoy your holiday Mr Douglas.