Roast Umpires and Graham

[SleepingGiant]

It's all easy to ignore things and flaws when we have a win. The umpires were an absolute disgrace, that blonde guy wanted Brisbane to win. The amount of times holding the ball was not paid our way and how similar decisions went there way was a disgrace. Even the positioning of the free kicks were terrible compared to theirs.

Graham is a hack. Cant kick, is slow, a weak mark, and puts in zero effort around the ground and only seemed to want to try in a ruck contest. Time to give big red a run over this spud. Nahas was good but things that go un-noticed unless your at the game let him down (i.e. getting easily brushed of in a contested situation, easily shepparded etc.). While he is playing well I dont see him in a premiership side. Nason was also terrible and lost until he improved as the game went on. Give him another run I reckon and he will improve.

Vickery>Graham all year. Martin is a star. **** the umpires.

 

[Vitriol]

I thought the umps were ok but as you say they seemed to forget that holding the ball is still a free kick...i was fuming a couple of times.

 

[Bojangles17]

my only beef with the umps was their interpretation of holding the ball, I would have thought when a player is tackled and the ball dribbles out ..that should be open and shut case, apparently not......the only howler I thought was on TV when he was monstered in last q...but they generally put whistle away in 4q...they werent too bad...

ooh, and i wouldnt have thought the night to get stuck into Gus, thought he was ok...how did the Bris rucks go

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

As much of a total spudtastic woman Graham is, I'll be the first one to say what we're doing to him is downright cruel. Playing him around 91% gametime mostly on ball for weeks on end is just not fair. He's serviceable at best around the ground however this week you could see the efforts have taken their toll. Needs a well deserved rest. Also, Post needs to come into the ruck rotations with Ty and Graham/Browne to give the latter a bloody rest.

 

[_RT_]

Gus tonight compared to the other 4 ruckmen:
14 disposals(equal first with McCauley)
24 hitouts(7 more than anyone else)
2 marks (McCauley 6 Vickery 3)
7 contested possessions(second behind Vickery)
3 tackles(equal with McCauley)
3 clearances (other 4 had 4 combined)
2 clangers (McCauley & Leuenberger had 4 each)
93% of disposals were effective(Leuenberger next best on 80%)
~85% of gametime

But yeah you're right he had no impact didn't compete and was generally useless. Seems the only way Gus will ever be praised on this board is if he has 35 disposals 50 hitouts kicks 5 goals and take 15 marks while playing against Sandilands or Cox.

 

[Infamy]

He still doesn't do the team things around the ground
Would it kill him to lay a shepherd for a team mate?

 

[SleepingGiant]

Were you at the game? Stats are stats. If you were, you would see that he lumbered around the ground like Troy Simmonds at his worst. He has shit skills, is a poor mark, and is shocking in a contested situation.

Everyone needs to get real and realise that if you want to win premierships you cant have all these battler types who arent imposing themselves on games. While some of these names I am about to mention are playing good there is not enough room in a premiership quality side for them all (i.e. Nahas, Nason, Graham, White, Edwards, Tuck, Hislop, Farmer, Houli, Hicks, Connors). They either have massive deficiencies or are just too small weight and height wise. Nahas gets thrown around too much off the ball, over-rated by the couch patatoes who dont follow his movements, Nason is clueless with his positioning and is weak, White is too inconsistant and his skills are not up to it when the pressure is on, I cbf going through more.

Right now we cant contend for a flag because we dont have good enough players. As far as i'm concerned we have too many list cloggers who play well one year then play like shit the next then pull the old "I was bad last year I gotta pull my finger out (i.e. Nahas) and stay on the list" then they screw us over again. We have too many players who are list cloggers. Don't get me wrong I love everyone when we are playing but time and time again I see the names mentioned jirate like a heartbeat monitor with their form. We have room for at the most a few of those names if that in a premiership side.

I see everyone defending each and every one on their day but if they all stay on at the end of the year i'm afraid my friends we will not be going anywhere. At years end we will need to make the hard calls and embrace the draft.

 

[Danog]

You could at least wait until tomorrow to post the dark-sider stuff.

 

[folester41]

graham was woeful for mine, gives away way too many free kicks in the ruck contest as well.

 

[Azzleberry]

Gus tonight compared to the other 4 ruckmen:
14 disposals(equal first with McCauley)
24 hitouts(7 more than anyone else)
2 marks (McCauley 6 Vickery 3)
7 contested possessions(second behind Vickery)
3 tackles(equal with McCauley)
3 clearances (other 4 had 4 combined)
2 clangers (McCauley & Leuenberger had 4 each)
93% of disposals were effective(Leuenberger next best on 80%)
~85% of gametime

But yeah you're right he had no impact didn't compete and was generally useless. Seems the only way Gus will ever be praised on this board is if he has 35 disposals 50 hitouts kicks 5 goals and take 15 marks while playing against Sandilands or Cox.

Good post. Will always be serviceable and will mitigate the influence of the opposition ruckman. WILL NEVER BE LIKE COX/SANDILANDS, so people should stop being so harsh on him IMO.

 

[Bazzar]

Nahas was good but things that go un-noticed unless your at the game let him down (i.e. getting easily brushed of in a contested situation, easily shepparded etc.). While he is playing well I dont see him in a premiership side.

I hear yu, but have you got a few time points so we can go see what you are referring to?

 

[chrstphrwnstn]

Built like a shick brithouse, but geez, for a guy of his size and stature he plays like a girl.

 

[_RT_]

Were you at the game? Stats are stats. If you were, you would see that he lumbered around the ground like Troy Simmonds at his worst. He has shit skills, is a poor mark, and is shocking in a contested situation.

Lets look at your claims against the facts:

Has shit skills - had 14 possessions and hit the target 93% of the time, clearly the highest of the 5 ruckmen on the ground.
Is a poor mark - I'll give you this, obviously an area he needs to work on. However worth pointing out that he is equal 7th for marks per game amongst ruckmen.
Shocking in a contested situation - Won 7 of his 14 possessions in a contest last night but you're right he is shocking in that area. For the season he has won 30 of 69 possessions in a contest the one are he really needs to improve on though is contested marking which I already said is an area for improvement.
He lumbered around - Well who would have thought, for 6 weeks the guy has played 90% of gametime and until last night has done it without much help.

For a guy who has played less than 40 games I believe that Gus is travelling well, he'll never be a Sandilands/Cox type ruckman who dominates games but he will be a servicable ruckman who will compete all day and leave nothing behind. More than happy to have him in the lineup right now and for the forseeable future.

 

[zipper12]

Lets look at your claims against the facts:

not sure facts are going to help much- I sit in front of two 'supporters' who carry on like Waldorf and Statler from the muppets- bitch and moan for the entire game as if the tiges are running around without an opposing team. Are convinced every free kick given against the tiges is wrong. And then if we win they clap the player they've been slagging off for the last two hours- it's weird.

 

[_Wang_]

Were you at the game? Stats are stats. If you were, you would see that he lumbered around the ground like Troy Simmonds at his worst. He has shit skills, is a poor mark, and is shocking in a contested situation.

Everyone needs to get real and realise that if you want to win premierships you cant have all these battler types who arent imposing themselves on games. While some of these names I am about to mention are playing good there is not enough room in a premiership quality side for them all (i.e. Nahas, Nason, Graham, White, Edwards, Tuck, Hislop, Farmer, Houli, Hicks, Connors). They either have massive deficiencies or are just too small weight and height wise. Nahas gets thrown around too much off the ball, over-rated by the couch patatoes who dont follow his movements, Nason is clueless with his positioning and is weak, White is too inconsistant and his skills are not up to it when the pressure is on, I cbf going through more.

Right now we cant contend for a flag because we dont have good enough players. As far as i'm concerned we have too many list cloggers who play well one year then play like shit the next then pull the old "I was bad last year I gotta pull my finger out (i.e. Nahas) and stay on the list" then they screw us over again. We have too many players who are list cloggers. Don't get me wrong I love everyone when we are playing but time and time again I see the names mentioned jirate like a heartbeat monitor with their form. We have room for at the most a few of those names if that in a premiership side.

I see everyone defending each and every one on their day but if they all stay on at the end of the year i'm afraid my friends we will not be going anywhere. At years end we will need to make the hard calls and embrace the draft.

We are trying to develop our list mate.. Obviously all the names you mentioned wont be in any potential premiership side, its called list management..
I think you need to remember from how far back we have come..
Whilst Gus is no Sandilands he is our best option by a country mile right now and looks to be improving his game.

 

[Goldust]

Lets look at your claims against the facts:

Is a poor mark - I'll give you this, obviously an area he needs to work on. However worth pointing out that he is equal 7th for marks per game amongst ruckmen.

So, we put huge value on Gus taking an uncontested mark when someone chips it to him from 10 metres away??????
Wake up.....his work rate is poor and I'm glad most are starting to see that for what it is!!!
He needs to impose himself on a game!!

 

[coke_zero]

So, we put huge value on Gus taking an uncontested mark when someone chips it to him from 10 metres away??????
Wake up.....his work rate is poor and I'm glad most are starting to see that for what it is!!!
He needs to impose himself on a game!!

Would you rather we play Browne or Post in the ruck and get the same amount of possesions as Graham, But get next to no hit outs? The fate of us winning a premiership doesnt come down to Graham becoming a star. Its everyone improving as a team. We can still work with Graham alot. And if we put some effort into him we can improve alot of simple things he isnt doing.

 

[Goldust]

Would you rather we play Browne or Post in the ruck and get the same amount of possesions as Graham, But get next to no hit outs? The fate of us winning a premiership doesnt come down to Graham becoming a star. Its everyone improving as a team. We can still work with Graham alot. And if we put some effort into him we can improve alot of simple things he isnt doing.

I'd take Browne or Post over Graham ... yes please!
As mentioned by many before, Graham's hitouts are not exactly to advantage and his boundary throw-in work is sub-par to the level of embarrasing!
And I'd definitely take Browne's 11 possessions to Graham's 15 if it meant Browne did the stuff that doesn't get recognised on the "
oh-so important" stat sheet, like throwing his body around and contesting which we know Graham doesn't do!!

 

[Bojangles17]

Gus tonight compared to the other 4 ruckmen:
14 disposals(equal first with McCauley)
24 hitouts(7 more than anyone else)
2 marks (McCauley 6 Vickery 3)
7 contested possessions(second behind Vickery)
3 tackles(equal with McCauley)
3 clearances (other 4 had 4 combined)
2 clangers (McCauley & Leuenberger had 4 each)
93% of disposals were effective(Leuenberger next best on 80%)
~85% of gametime

But yeah you're right he had no impact didn't compete and was generally useless. Seems the only way Gus will ever be praised on this board is if he has 35 disposals 50 hitouts kicks 5 goals and take 15 marks while playing against Sandilands or Cox.

thanks for that Rt, i thought the OP was completely baseless

 

[Vitalogy]

Nason is clueless with his positioning and is weak,

Errr sorry to burst your bubble but Nason is actually really good at finding space, watch how many times he can get free on the wings in games. He clocks up lots of km. As for being weak his body hasn't fully developed he just needs to keep in the gym and build strength.

 

[tiges1]

Is the Bladerunner still our ruck coach? I can't believe he's letting him ruck this way
not watching the ball but the other ruckman coming in ,more so at the centre bounces
also he's slow ,soft & always looks like he's about to keel over

 

[Toothpick Vic]

Errr sorry to burst your bubble but Nason is actually really good at finding space, watch how many times he can get free on the wings in games. He clocks up lots of km. As for being weak his body hasn't fully developed he just needs to keep in the gym and build strength.

I agree with this

I think Nason is very good at finding space and providing a great link up. His disposal needs fine tuning like his body does but that will come in time..

I was surprised when Sleeping Giant said that about his positioning or was it in reference to his 'positioning' when in a contest?

 

[Reckoner Tiger]

It's all easy to ignore things and flaws when we have a win. The umpires were an absolute disgrace, that blonde guy wanted Brisbane to win. The amount of times holding the ball was not paid our way and how similar decisions went there way was a disgrace. Even the positioning of the free kicks were terrible compared to theirs.

Graham is a hack. Cant kick, is slow, a weak mark, and puts in zero effort around the ground and only seemed to want to try in a ruck contest. Time to give big red a run over this spud. Nahas was good but things that go un-noticed unless your at the game let him down (i.e. getting easily brushed of in a contested situation, easily shepparded etc.). While he is playing well I dont see him in a premiership side. Nason was also terrible and lost until he improved as the game went on. Give him another run I reckon and he will improve.

Vickery>Graham all year. Martin is a star. **** the umpires.

I didn't rate the umpiring at all. For some reason they consistently put the whistle away for HTB yet paid it sometimes, inconsistently, more for Brisbane. That late 3rd quarter goal we got was from a tackle and chain of handballs. The Lion that got tackled had 3 steps, then put up a fend-off at the same time as dropping the ball. We got the goal but if we hadn't I would have gone berserk at that umpire for not paying it.

I'm tired of the Graham bashing on this board. I'll repeat my stance: he's holding his own, is young and developing, and our best option. Happy for another ruckman to be given a go at some point, happy that the selection committee has tenfold the sense of the crazies on BigFooty and keeps our improving ruckman in.

Any comment against Nahas is really dumb. We'll have to see if he can have the same impact against top sides but his last two weeks have been blistering, flawless performances. I was a hater last year but he has somehow tripled his skills, decision making and ball winning ability. Looks to have arrived, could be a long-term player.

Nason call is fair, wasn't great but maybe give him another crack as sub. Not sure about his long-term future.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Regarding the umpiring. I thought it was terrible as well. How they were too lenient with holding the ball has already been pointed out. But the other thing I noticed was the amount of times when the ball was coming to Reiwoldt that he was blatently held back, pushed in the back or taken a high hit and not rewarded for a free kick.

The umpiring has atrocious since Rd 2. I think the upmires have it in for us since that incompetent rushed behind free paid against McGuane which cost us the game. The umpires don't like thier stupidity exposed like that.

 

[partycorolla]

Errr sorry to burst your bubble but Nason is actually really good at finding space, watch how many times he can get free on the wings in games. He clocks up lots of km. As for being weak his body hasn't fully developed he just needs to keep in the gym and build strength.

Yeah.... I watched him closely last night as I was pretty critical of him last week.... He reads and understands the game very very well... gets into great spots. Has some issues putting his head over it.... but provided 2.2 (should have been at least 3) and was good. He may never put on much in the way of weight... we recruited him as a mature age don't forget.