Umpiring [vs Eagles Mega Thread]

[Reginald0]

the classic example of wot you are up against in west coast land is the free kick TO Kerr at 0.27 in the 3rd
Kerr looks around, sees JZ, then runs into him
this is 30 yards out dead in front for us
why would ziebell want to impede Kerr
isnt it just flagrantly obvious that the defender is interfering with the attacking player
Be Warned
the more you watch it the worse it gets
and Im not ignoring the fact that they were all over us in the 2nd
think we also have to face fact that LT Patch Drew and all choked
Jmac Wright and McMahon v average under pressure too

 

[Reginald0]

and wot about the guy running in between the mark and Atley 2nd Qtr
that is a 50 isnt it?

 

[TheKanga]

I can't even think about this game anymore, makes me to angry.
Lets just focus on Adelaide this sunday now.

 

[SMaturin]

Do we get to hear what the Giesha has to say about them?

 

[jacko57]

and wot about the guy running in between the mark and Atley 2nd Qtr
that is a 50 isnt it?

There were several instances of that ignored.

 

[jacko57]

Do we get to hear what the Giesha has to say about them?

Do we really want to hear anything from that drooling blockhead?

 

[Chadwiko]

Club needs to quietly and not publically put together a video package of all the dubious non-calls and bad-calls that occured in this game, and ask for a quiet please explain.

Don't announce it in the media. Don't make a song and dance out of it. Just do it on the downlow.

Some that come to mind, purely off the top of my head;

Aaron Black being blatantly held whilst trying to lead for the ball in the first quarter.
Scott Thompson being held on the wing.
Drew Petrie being taken high and given no free.
Daniel Kerr/Jack Ziebell free.
Swallow being held at stoppages regularly.
Those atrocious holding the ball calls.
There was one blatant centre-bounce where the ball was a full metre outside the circle and the ump didn't bring it back. Natanui tapped it to advantage and Eagles kicked a goal.
Cox launching his knee right into Maj in the ruck contest - thought you couldn't do that anymore?
The Aaron Black "touched" mark.
The Shuey free.
The Selwood free.

 

[RHLK]

Club needs to quietly and not publically put together a video package of all the dubious non-calls and bad-calls that occured in this game, and ask for a quiet please explain.

Don't announce it in the media. Don't make a song and dance out of it. Just do it on the downlow.

Some that come to mind, purely off the top of my head;

Aaron Black being blatantly held whilst trying to lead for the ball in the first quarter.
Scott Thompson being held on the wing.
Drew Petrie being taken high and given no free.
Daniel Kerr/Jack Ziebell free.
Swallow being held at stoppages regularly.
Those atrocious holding the ball calls.
There was one blatant centre-bounce where the ball was a full metre outside the circle and the ump didn't bring it back. Natanui tapped it to advantage and Eagles kicked a goal.
Cox launching his knee right into Maj in the ruck contest - thought you couldn't do that anymore?
The Aaron Black "touched" mark.
The Shuey free.
The Selwood free.

Hurn holding Sam Wright in the last few minutes. Maggot was right there. Even DC couldn't believe it.
The whole 'holding' thing. Forwards were held back all day, eg Drew's mark in the last quarter; defender is hugging Hansen, keeping him from the contest. Surely this stuff has a little more impact on the contest than a hand brushing the shoulder of a bloke on the deck holding the ball.....

 

[muttley45]

the trip against spud was not on either, player actually ankle tapped himself

 

[weekend at bernies]

as a crows supporter really enjoyed watching this game, great game of footy. I thought the umpiring was quite good compared to the usual standard!!
Alot of my mates who are Kangaroos supporters have complained non stop about he free kick to the Eagles just before the siren. The fact of the matter is it was high, and if not high you should of been done for deliberate out of bounds...

 

[jacko57]

as a crows supporter really enjoyed watching this game, great game of footy. I thought the umpiring was quite good compared to the usual standard!!
Alot of my mates who are Kangaroos supporters have complained non stop about he free kick to the Eagles just before the siren. The fact of the matter is it was high, and if not high you should of been done for deliberate out of bounds...

I actually thought at the time the free had been paid for deliberate out of bounds.....but I wasn't sure if it was a North player or Selwood who actually kicked the ball.

 

[Jack Reacher]

Well if all North supporters bar me believe in conspiracy theories then perhaps B.Scott should not have whined about the Umps pre-game? Just a thought.....

 

[shintemaster]

Hurn holding Sam Wright in the last few minutes. Maggot was right there. Even DC couldn't believe it.
The whole 'holding' thing. Forwards were held back all day, eg Drew's mark in the last quarter; defender is hugging Hansen, keeping him from the contest. Surely this stuff has a little more impact on the contest than a hand brushing the shoulder of a bloke on the deck holding the ball.....

This right here is the biggest frustration – on field - with the AFL of 2013. And it’s not just my team either, I watched a bit of the Melbourne / Richmond game and it highlighted to me just why the game is so aggravating to watch at the moment. The umpiring department and AFL rules committee have become an organisation fixated on technicalities.

· Rewarding players for leading with their heads – unless they contact legs, generally they will not have control of this however it won’t stop them being penalised… unless of course they’re injured doing so, then of course it will not be their fault again and the other player will be penalised
· Rewarding players for not only being second to the ball but not even attempting to be the first one to the ball
· Constant scragging, holding and hitting off the ball is adjudicated in a fairly loose manner, however incidental contact is judged to the nth degree

More importantly than any of this. Players can be seen to be going out of their way – constantly – to earn a free kick. It’s not just Lindsay Thomas or Scott Selwood either, I’d put the number of players that are regular and constant offenders in this regard much, much closer to 100% than a minority. This is not an issue with the players, it is because they are constantly rewarded that they do these things, even the ones that put them in danger. It’s a frustrating, annoying game to watch at the moment. I’m tired of watching ball players penalised while squibs are encouraged and even created by the rules.

 

[Mav]

the trip against spud was not on either, player actually ankle tapped himself

I've mentioned this earlier. It was a clear trip. Spuds upper arm hits LaCras' (was it Lacras?) foot. If you seriously cant see this then you should never, ever complain about umpiring decisions as you just look like like a whining fool. There were plenty of decisions that went against us but don't pick out ones that were correct.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

The 'holding the man' rule is looser than Jenna Jameson.

The officiating has now taken a left turn into ludicrous.

 

[jacko57]

Well if all North supporters bar me believe in conspiracy theories then perhaps B.Scott should not have whined about the Umps pre-game? Just a thought.....

oh really? he did this how/when?

 

[Chog]

Club needs to quietly and not publically put together a video package of all the dubious non-calls and bad-calls that occured in this game, and ask for a quiet please explain.

Don't announce it in the media. Don't make a song and dance out of it. Just do it on the downlow.

Some that come to mind, purely off the top of my head;

Aaron Black being blatantly held whilst trying to lead for the ball in the first quarter.
Scott Thompson being held on the wing.
Drew Petrie being taken high and given no free.
Daniel Kerr/Jack Ziebell free.
Swallow being held at stoppages regularly.
Those atrocious holding the ball calls.
There was one blatant centre-bounce where the ball was a full metre outside the circle and the ump didn't bring it back. Natanui tapped it to advantage and Eagles kicked a goal.
Cox launching his knee right into Maj in the ruck contest - thought you couldn't do that anymore?
The Aaron Black "touched" mark.
The Shuey free.
The Selwood free.

Lets not forget the Bastinac advantage incident.

 

[weekend at bernies]

Well if all North supporters bar me believe in conspiracy theories then perhaps B.Scott should not have whined about the Umps pre-game? Just a thought.....

But you are a victorian club complaing about the umpires!! As a crows supporter I am expecting to be royally screwed over by the umps this week!!!!! but then again that always happens to us against VIC clubs

 

[Jack Reacher]

oh really? he did this how/when?

He had a go at the umps pre-game to protect Majak like they do Natanui, I dont know why would even bother saying something like that, just get on with winning the game....

 

[snapperbowler]

The head high free kicks are so frustrating. They are being paid when players are on the ground. If this is the way they want to umpire the game then everytime a pack developes then there will have to be a free kick because there will be high contact somewhere.
Players are dropping their knees when being tackled to draw high contact. They are also throwing their heads backk. I am sure when the above the shoulders rule was introduced it wasn't for these type of tackles.
On Friday night they were also red hot on holding the ball but seemed to only be for us. As soon as we were tackled the crowd roared and the umpires responded with a free kick.
I do feel for the umpires because their job is being made harder by the rules committee. They are being so reactive to what is happening. AFL is a simple game that being ruined by people who are trtying to make it perfect.
I am surprised that we still have an oval ball.

 

[GarnerSmash]

I hate it how the onus is on the tackler not to get a player high when it is clear that the player with the ball is leaning into the oncoming tackle with the sole intent of getting hit on or above the shoulder. Umpires still occasionally tell players that they ducked into it so where does the intent of the player with the ball stop becoming the main factor in their decision making on this?

That last tackle on Friday night was a clear example where the actions of the player with the ball were the determining factor in the high tackle being called, assuming that the free kick was against Adams and not against the mystery second tackle that never really came. The point is if the intent of the player with the ball is to draw a free kick by dropping into the tackle or leaning into the tackler then the onus of responsibility should be theirs, not the tacklers.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I hate it how the onus is on the tackler not to get a player high when it is clear that the player with the ball is leaning into the oncoming tackle with the sole intent of getting hit on or above the shoulder. Umpires still occasionally tell players that they ducked into it so where does the intent of the player with the ball stop becoming the main factor in their decision making on this?

That last tackle on Friday night was a clear example where the actions of the player with the ball were the determining factor in the high tackle being called, assuming that the free kick was against Adams and not against the mystery second tackle that never really came. The point is if the intent of the player with the ball is to draw a free kick by dropping into the tackle or leaning into the tackler then the onus of responsibility should be theirs, not the tacklers.

Well said Tron.

 

[RHLK]

You know the Geish will say it was high on Selwood, therefore correct decision.

But how many similar frees were let go? Basti taken high by Selwood not a few minutes earlier comes to mind.

Selwood had no intention of doing anything other than going to ground under the tackle, which he did while making no attempt to dispose of the ball. The easiest, most sensible, least controversial (and fairest in the context of the game, not that it's the umpire's concern) and most consistent decision would be for the umpire not to award a free, but to call for the throw in.

What would the reaction have been if Selwood hadn't received a free, and North had won the game?
Would the umpire's non-decision be receiving this level of scrutiny? Not bloody likely! Not even from the West Coast supporters. Nobody would have even mentioned it, because nobody (apart from the umpire) even noticed it.

The umpire made a giant mountain out of a tiny molehill. Just waiting for the Geish to arrive with a team of Sherpas...

 

[chubbspeterson]

I can't really blame the umpires, I think the issue is the rules and interpretations.
The contact was high from Adams, but these questions should be asked...

1) Even if the contact is high or in the back, if the player buckles at the knees or drops their head deliberately should it be a no-call as the interpretation going forward?

2) Why did the umpire say "second one was high"? Swallow was nowhere near the ball.

3) Why were those frees paid when the whistle was largely put away most of the game?
If you're gonna pay those, do it the whole game consistently.

4) Umpires are clearly confused and the players on the rules - Bastinac advantage

5) KB and Giesch will never admit they've got it wrong with the rules and interpretations.

 

[Unyielding Bosom]

I can't really blame the umpires, I think the issue is the rules and interpretations.
The contact was high from Adams, but these questions should be asked...

1) Even if the contact is high or in the back, if the player buckles at the knees or drops their head deliberately should it be a no-call as the interpretation going forward?

2) Why did the umpire say "second one was high"? Swallow was nowhere near the ball.

3) Why were those frees paid when the whistle was largely put away most of the game?
If you're gonna pay those, do it the whole game consistently.

4) Umpires are clearly confused and the players on the rules - Bastinac advantage

5) KB and Giesch will never admit they've got it wrong with the rules and interpretations.

You absolutely can blame the umpires when these interpretations are consistently different based solely on the colour of the players' jumpers.