Umpiring

[Truetiger]

I've been watching footy a long time and although one eyed like every supporter I can see free's for an against. Really struggling to watch our games at the moment, especially early on in the game when free kicks are crucial. The rub is always against us, especially lately.

Broad receive that free yet, had his head knocked off.

 

[TigFan1966]

Watching the broadcast they were showing saints fans complaining about frees not being paid to them? That one to King when Grimes touched him was so soft, I can't believe its not butter.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

It ain't a footy contest between the players unless the players decide it's a contest...not the four umpires...cos if the umpires constantly decide what is and what is not a contest...then it's nothing more than a shifty pantomime...

 

[RJK Tiger]

Yesterday was particularly bad.

It seems like several times our players were mauled in the contest, I can think of at least 3 (Bauer, Broad, Bolton) that weren't paid, and there times we barely breathed on them and they'd get a free kick.

It just wasn't consistent both ways, can't let them go for one team and pay them for the other.

The Broad one i think i know you are talking about. Early in the 3rd?

It looked like a blatant high tackle, but when i slowed it down it actually wasn't that clear at all. The Stkilda player ( Owens?) actually tackles him fairly low around the waste and Broad kinda sticks his out to to draw the high contact then uses his right arm quickly to shrug off the arm by pushing it up from his chest to around his neck. I actually was a bit 50/50 on that one once i watched it slowly & freezeframed.

In saying that tho, almost always its called as a high tackle either way

 

[RJK Tiger]

Bauer, over the shoulder, in the back and tackled, all in one contest. Should have had 3 free kicks, would have put us in front at 1/4 time, cheating bastards.

honestly that is not that much of a free The arm over the shoulder is probably the most clear, but tiggy touch at best. - the in the back is very questionable. Breur just looks off-balance and clumsy and looks like he loses his balance trying to gather/dive for the the ball as it falls loose in front of him. The Saints play falls forward onto him, but only after Breuers left leg catches his and brings him forward also. There is no push in the back really, if you watch the 2 players legs you clearly see Breur's leg hook the Saints players legs and bring him forward

Its more the situation of what gets called against us VS what doesn;t get called for us that is frustrating.

This one seems more blatant & obvious

 

[Grrr]

honestly that is not that much of a free The arm over the shoulder is probably the most clear, but tiggy touch at best. - the in the back is very questionable. Breur just looks off-balance and clumsy and looks like he loses his balance trying to gather/dive for the the ball as it falls loose in front of him. The Saints play falls forward onto him, but only after Breuers left leg catches his and brings him forward also. There is no push in the back really, if you watch the 2 players legs you clearly see Breur's leg hook the Saints players legs and bring him forward

Its more the situation of what gets called against us VS what doesn;t get called for us that is frustrating.

This one seems more blatant & obvious

That one is a very small nudge in the back which happens all the time.
Bauer is supposed to be protected going for the mark. Double grabbing it does not entitle you to grab him. Players get done for a half second grab or a jumper or as Grimes did laying an arm across Kiing.

Bauer was pretty much tackled with arms around him the whole time. Then he landed flat on top of him.

 

[TheOptimum18]

So Gerard Whateley just confirming what we already knew, that there was no extra angle that the AFL claimed, and the umpire in the ARC just basically guessed.

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[Truetiger]

So Gerard Whateley just confirming what we already knew, that there was no extra angle that the AFL claimed, and the umpire in the ARC just basically guessed.

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Prime example how the AFL is not a professional sport lol.

 

[Groupie_]

So Gerard Whateley just confirming what we already knew, that there was no extra angle that the AFL claimed, and the umpire in the ARC just basically guessed.

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and instead of the afl giving us a fair go this year they doubled down

someone has to pay for this

 

[biaseddustyfan]

and instead of the afl giving us a fair go this year they doubled down

someone has to pay for this

wonder what they really did to Dimmer when he went into look at the ARC setup

he was never the same after that

 

[Lacustrus]

wonder what they really did to Dimmer when he went into look at the ARC setup

he was never the same after that

I’m guessing a legal document and a threat

 

[Groupie_]

wonder what they really did to Dimmer when he went into look at the ARC setup

he was never the same after that

 

[tropicaltiger]

we got called 3 times in the start of the game for not 15 play on. when has that happened to another team

bad footy by our boys, I reckon all about 14.5m umpires like to set the tone early

 

[RJK Tiger]

Here is a question.

How many times has Richmond outright lost the free kick count since Damien resigned and Andrew took over? 11 matches.

We need to be realistic because losing all 11 is a roughly 1.5 in 10,000 chance so obviously out of the question. Expressed in betting odds you would get about 6600-1 odds about an AFL team losing 11 consecutive free kick counts.

But how many times have we lost the free kick count in the last 11 matches?


Note - under Mini we have received 143 free kicks at an average of 13 per game. AFL median is 19.4 per game in 2023. Since Mini took over teams infringe us on average about 6.4 times less than they do against each other. So when teams play teams other than us under Mini, on average their infringements rise by 49%.

Anyone else smell a Kentucky Fried Rat here?

You seriously just make shit up all the time

Double check our stats in 2017. We lost the umpiring count nearly every week then too. There are always teams that lose Free kick counts the majority of the time due to the way they play - its not a given you "win some, or lose some". The way we play plays a big part in all this

Until the club stands up on its own 2 feet and acknowledges or makes a comment about the umpiring situation then i think this is a really mute point. They haven't made a single comment all year about the umpiring, therefore i assume the club doesn;t think its part of their problems.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You seriously just make s**t up all the time

Double check our stats in 2017. We lost the umpiring count nearly every week then too. There are always teams that lose Free kick counts the majority of the time due to the way they play - its not a given you "win some, or lose some". The way we play plays a big part in all this

Until the club stands up on its own 2 feet and acknowledges or makes a comment about the umpiring situation then i think this is a really mute point. They haven't made a single comment all year about the umpiring, therefore i assume the club doesn;t think its part of their problems.

If you want to make a point then I suggest YOU support it with facts. It is as easy for you to search the 2017 free kick count as it is for me. But to give you a guide our averages over the season were:

18.8 free kicks for
21.1 free kicks against

We averaged 47% of the free kicks paid in the games our way. And the opposition averaged 53%. The opposition were paid approximately 13% more free kicks than Richmond in 2017.


In 11 matches under Mini we average:

13 free kicks for
18.4 free kicks against

We average 41% of the free kicks paid in the matches. The opposition average 59%. The opposition are getting 44% more free kicks than Richmond.


Good luck in your search for an 11 game streak of losing the free kick count in our 2017 season. In fact good luck in your search for any team losing 11 free kick counts in succession. If you search 6,667 11 game samples you should find one. That one is us. In 2023 under McQualter. SO you might need to search 13,334 11 game samples to find another one.

Catch you in about 5 years time old friend.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Been thinking a little more on our rather unlikely 11 consecutive free kick count loss since McQualter took over as coach.

If there was no related contingency involved, it is a 1 in 28 year event for any of the 18 AFL teams to suffer that run within a single season.

And it would be a once in over 500 year event for any individual team within the league to suffer.

I am almost starting to hope we lose the final 2 free kick counts this season because this is going to get astronomical. Well it already is astronomical, it would be getting into "never before seen in history" terrain.

 

[RoaringTiger]

Been thinking a little more on our rather unlikely 11 consecutive free kick count loss since McQualter took over as coach.

If there was no related contingency involved, it is a 1 in 28 year event for any of the 18 AFL teams to suffer that run within a single season.

And it would be a once in over 500 year event for any individual team within the league to suffer.

I am almost starting to hope we lose the final 2 free kick counts this season because this is going to get astronomical. Well it already is astronomical, it would be getting into "never before seen in history" terrain.

I love the mathematical approach as it really highlights that it is not an accident, it is a corrupt directive from the AFL. I'd love an actuary (any actuaries on here?) to analyse it properly as the conclusion would be its not a coincidence I suspect. Then take it to some (fearless) journos, if there's any left....

 

[Lsta062]

So Gerard Whateley just confirming what we already knew, that there was no extra angle that the AFL claimed, and the umpire in the ARC just basically guessed.

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Yep, that goal denial in the EF last year still doesn’t have a good explanation. If there wasn’t another angle, then they should’ve ruled it inconclusive and go with the soft call. Instead, they bloody do trigonometry to overrule it lol.

I’m completely over these umpires, the St Kilda game last week was the last straw. They did the same thing to us in Round 22 of 2021 against GWS when our season was on the line. It makes this the third year in a row that the umpires stuffed us up in our last meaningful game of the season.

The club needs to do something about this.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I love the mathematical approach as it really highlights that it is not an accident, it is a corrupt directive from the AFL. I'd love an actuary (any actuaries on here?) to analyse it properly as the conclusion would be its not a coincidence I suspect. Then take it to some (fearless) journos, if there's any left....

I've actually done quite a few jobs in my life even Insurance...

 

[Lsta062]

You seriously just make s**t up all the time

Double check our stats in 2017. We lost the umpiring count nearly every week then too. There are always teams that lose Free kick counts the majority of the time due to the way they play - its not a given you "win some, or lose some". The way we play plays a big part in all this

Until the club stands up on its own 2 feet and acknowledges or makes a comment about the umpiring situation then i think this is a really moot point. They haven't made a single comment all year about the umpiring, therefore i assume the club doesn;t think its part of their problems.

I can cop 2017-2019 because we played on the edge, but we’ve played very differently since. We still find ourselves in the same position. Our 2022 season was especially puzzling because we were fairly uncontested compared to most teams. Yet, our differential was terrible.

The reason why I think the club isn’t saying anything is because speaking out is a double-edged sword. You speak out and the umps will get offended. If they get offended, then it may make the situation worse. Just see what happened with James Hird speaking out against umpire Scott McLaren. McLaren then gave it to Essendon worse than before. The AFL don’t really care if umpires target your team, so speaking out may just end up a detriment to the team.

 

[RoaringTiger]

Been thinking a little more on our rather unlikely 11 consecutive free kick count loss since McQualter took over as coach.

If there was no related contingency involved, it is a 1 in 28 year event for any of the 18 AFL teams to suffer that run within a single season.

And it would be a once in over 500 year event for any individual team within the league to suffer.

I am almost starting to hope we lose the final 2 free kick counts this season because this is going to get astronomical. Well it already is astronomical, it would be getting into "never before seen in

I've actually done quite a few jobs in my life even Insurance...

Get out the calculator!!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I love the mathematical approach as it really highlights that it is not an accident, it is a corrupt directive from the AFL. I'd love an actuary (any actuaries on here?) to analyse it properly as the conclusion would be its not a coincidence I suspect. Then take it to some (fearless) journos, if there's any left....

Stop all presses!

I just realised we also lost the free kick count in Hardwick's final match as coach as well. So we are up to 12 lost free kick counts in succession!

So we have zoomed up the rankings of all time reamed teams. 12 free kick count losses in succession with no related contingency would be roughly a 1 in 14,800 chance. So we are already up to an event that would occur within a single season without related contingency to any of the 18 teams once in every 69 seasons(based on 22 round home and away season and 9 finals.) It should only happen to a specific club once every 1,242 seasons.

If we lose the last 2 free kick counts this season I am going to assassinate Gil and Dan Richardson and use these calculations as my defence.

 

[Tiges1229]

Yep, that goal denial in the EF last year still doesn’t have a good explanation. If there wasn’t another angle, then they should’ve ruled it inconclusive and go with the soft call. Instead, they bloody do trigonometry to overrule it lol.

I’m completely over these umpires, the St Kilda game last week was the last straw. They did the same thing to us in Round 22 of 2021 against GWS when our season was on the line. It makes this the third year in a row that the umpires stuffed us up in our last meaningful game of the season.

The club needs to do something about this.

Club i rang after Shemons game abd said they were going to do something Nek minute another no lube come on down x2 games

 

[Grrr]

Stop all presses!

I just realised we also lost the free kick count in Hardwick's final match as coach as well. So we are up to 12 lost free kick counts in succession!

So we have zoomed up the rankings of all time reamed teams. 12 free kick count losses in succession with no related contingency would be roughly a 1 in 14,800 chance. So we are already up to an event that would occur within a single season without related contingency to any of the 18 teams once in every 63 seasons(based on 22 round home and away season and 9 finals.) It should only happen to a specific club once every 1,138 seasons.

If we lose the last 2 free kick counts this season I am going to assassinate Gil and Dan Richardson and use these calculations as my defence.

Finally putting your stats to something constructive.

If you need a lay lawyer who thinks he knows everything I'm your man.

 

[Achilles Heel]

For a long time the problem has been that the club won't recognize we "may have" a problem with umpiring "interpretations" that by design, are working against us. For YEARS everyone has been saying "it is the way we play", Yet both WCE and Collingwood have copied our gameplan we used in 2017-2020 and been they have been at the opposite ends of the "free kicks for" ledger. Notice how I don't mention "free kicks against" - because the comment "the way we play" is directly relative to the "free kicks against". My argument has ALWAYS been that we give away dumb frees on occasion, but we seldom receive the free kicks we earnt. The PERFECT examples are the frees to King for literally brushing his collar, but at the other end, Bauer is held back in a marking contest buy the neck of his jumper. Technically two free kicks to Bauer for the price of one, yet King EXPECTED a free kick for nothing, and gets it.

Here we have the Collingwood and Port Supporters complaining about the umpiring in their respective games - all over social media - yet we get ripped blind every week. We received FOUR free kicks late in the game against St Kilda well after the game was over (to even it up more)- but when the game was on the line, 13 in a row, mainly forward of the center to the Saints (4 to King).

Our club does NOTHING - as if there is no problem at all. Are we overreacting? Are our concerns unjustified?

our club does nothing because they are afraid of blowback, well it cant get worse than its, i still stand by my Match Fixing, they get the outcomes decreed by the afl which is match fixing.

the whole competition is corrupt , how was the virging umpiring the scats game two weeks in a row and after the debacle with cameron against the shitpies gets our game on sunday ?