Umpiring

[smasha]

Imagine being a Tiger player and having a negative mindset all game because you are walking on egg shells because of the umpiring?

 

[smasha]

A Pinocchio of oppos replying I bet.

 

[Groupie_]

A Pinocchio of oppos replying I bet.

pies fans saying "see I told ya so"
about carltoon while ignoring the fact that they were in the exact same spot last year and won the flag cos if it , like carltoon will this year

 

[smasha]

pies fans saying "see I told ya so"
about carltoon while ignoring the fact that they were in the exact same spot last year and won the flag cos if it , like carltoon will this year

Pies number one when you average the free differential over the last 7 years.

BTW,what name is the number 13 maggot?
He was the cheat who paid that ridiculous 50 metre penalty at half time.

 

[Groupie_]

Pies number one when you average the free differential over the last 7 years.

BTW,what name is the number 13 maggot?
He was the cheat who paid that ridiculous 50 metre penalty at half time.

john comegurgle

 

[smasha]

List of Australian Football League umpires - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The list of cheats here.

Plenty of known cheats in that list lol.

 

[smasha]

john comegurgle

I thought it was Bartholomew Rortbottom?

 

[Groupie_]

competitive balancing mechanism was mentioned by the league ceo and some people (mostly oppos) still think its tin foil hattery

lmao lets see when it happens to them

 

[Neen]

Watched a bit of that, how enjoyable.
No stupid deliberate, players weren't worried about giving away 50m.
Game wasn't over umpired, they made mistakes and missed frees but didn't just pay a free for slight contact.
I just take away from it how over controlled the game has become.
For decades now they have been trying to fix problems with the game when there wasn't really a problem in the first place.

Did you notice how critical Peter McKenna was of the Roach / Frawley umpire's decision ? It was a genuine 50/50, both holding on, but it was paid to Roach. But that's not why I posted it. It's McKenna's criticism of the umpire.

Today's commentators are gagged, and this is the medium needed to raise awareness of not only the bad standards we have today, but also the bias.

In the last two games, there were two non decisions replayed TWICE, but the commentators changed the subject instead of doing what that SHOULD be doing (like McKenna) - Jake Lever's clear throw and Banfield being caught with the ball. Both clearly seen by umpires. Both leading to oppo goals... Those are two of many examples the club should be taking to the AFL for a "please explain".

 

[TigFan1966]

Today's commentators are gagged, and this is the medium needed to raise awareness of not only the bad standards we have today, but also the bias.

Yeah how often do we hear them say, that the umpire's view must have been obscured etc, there are four of them out there surely one umpire see's what happened.

 

[tigersnag]

I see what that the 'Essendon edge' means now.

Having a coach that personally knows all the umpires and everyone in the umpiring department.

 

[shaky]

Did you notice how critical Peter McKenna was of the Roach / Frawley umpire's decision ? It was a genuine 50/50, both holding on, but it was paid to Roach. But that's not why I posted it. It's McKenna's criticism of the umpire.

Today's commentators are gagged, and this is the medium needed to raise awareness of not only the bad standards we have today, but also the bias.

In the last two games, there were two non decisions replayed TWICE, but the commentators changed the subject instead of doing what that SHOULD be doing (like McKenna) - Jake Lever's clear throw and Banfield being caught with the ball. Both clearly seen by umpires. Both leading to oppo goals... Those are two of many examples the club should be taking to the AFL for a "please explain".

I believe it goes back a bit that there was a push to stop umpire abuse and criticism of decision as they were having trouble attracting umpires to the game.
Trouble is they are going about it totally wrong. Instead of protecting the umps from any criticism, they should be putting as much money and resources as needed into making AFL umpires full time and fully professional.
Instead they throw money to unfinancial clubs, adding extra umpires (which hasn't improved anything that I can see) and other half arsed things like the ARC.
Provide proper pathways for aspiring umpires that is clear and they can see a financial benefit in taking on the job at the expense of another full-time career. You can't have both.

 

[Groupie_]

 

[mauricerioli]

From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024

From a powerhouse dynasty four seasons ago, to now sitting one spot above North Melbourne, and behind West Coast and Hawthorn, it’s been a spectacular fall from grace.

www.theroar.com.au

“There was always talk of Hardwick’s game style being conducive to giving away free kicks, but that has gone out the window with Gold Coast sitting +22 in 2024, against Yze’s Tigers ranked 18th in the metric at -49.

Tim Taranto

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Tim Taranto

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.0

4star

CL

5.5

5star

D

15.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

’s personal free kick count was in the positive over his time at the Giants, but he went at -10 in his first year at Richmond.

“It is certainly interesting how each round the opposing club miraculously gives away significantly less free kicks against Richmond than they average against the rest of the competition.”

 

[Groupie_]

has anyone ever met a modern day umpire?

 

[Triggering Tiger]

has anyone ever met a modern day umpire?

I think it's best you don't because I'm not sure the ump with finish the convo with you without some bruises and blood spilling.

 

[RobsJourney]

Nice to see this finally getting some traction. Don't you love how the nuffies are making up fake stats to show how we get looked after? Haha...

Idiots, we're probably nearly -500 for the last 8 seasons.

• Will anything come of it? Who knows.
• But... why has it taken this long?

 

[Neen]

Yeah how often do we hear them say, that the umpire's view must have been obscured etc, there are four of them out there surely one umpire see's what happened.

... then we see photo evidence of umpires in direct line of sight (Lever's throw) from a post match photo. This "obscured vision" - hang on - we have FOUR umpires now, and they STILL use this excuse ? They think we are that stupid.

 

[Groupie_]

... then we see photo evidence of umpires in direct line of sight (Lever's throw) from a post match photo. This "obscured vision" - hang on - we have FOUR umpires now, and they STILL use this excuse ? They think we are that stupid.

they allow throws cos it keeps the game flowing and more scores = more ads

 

[Neen]

I believe it goes back a bit that there was a push to stop umpire abuse and criticism of decision as they were having trouble attracting umpires to the game.
Trouble is they are going about it totally wrong. Instead of protecting the umps from any criticism, they should be putting as much money and resources as needed into making AFL umpires full time and fully professional.
Instead they throw money to unfinancial clubs, adding extra umpires (which hasn't improved anything that I can see) and other half arsed things like the ARC.
Provide proper pathways for aspiring umpires that is clear and they can see a financial benefit in taking on the job at the expense of another full-time career. You can't have both.

100% - I've been saying this for YEARS. It is the only aspect of our game that is not professional. Most of the umps have "real jobs". Pay them more and give them all the resources they need to become professional and the best they can be. The $ will attract the Umpires out of other full time jobs. Then they can start to accept criticism when it applies. There is so much money in the AFL system, so there's no excuses. The state of umpiring has never been this bad.

 

[RobsJourney]

Just had a little look of my own over the data. This is an absolute shit show and those nuffies on Twitter/X can bugger off.

From and including 2017...

Year - Position - For-Against (Total) RUNNING TOTAL

2017 - 18th - 469-528 (-59)
2018 - 18th - 421-543 (-122) Total -181
2019 - 12th - 463-490 (-27) Total -208
2020 - 17th - 316-384 (-68) Total -276
2021 - 18th - 376-461 (-85) Total -361
2022 - 18th - 433-517 (-84) Total -445
2023 - 18th - 357-416 (-59) Total -504
2024 (after 8 games) - 18th - 117-166 (-49) Total -553

In 7 seasons + 8 games, we are -553 free kicks, we have been 18th six times in those 8 seasons, 17th once, and somehow 12th once.

Other teams' finishing positions across that period:

Essendon: 11, 12, 11, 16, 16, 5, 7, 2
Western Bulldogs: 1, 5, 1, 7, 1, 1, 8, 15
Hawthorn: 15, 9, 16, 18, 10, 12, 12, 13
Adelaide: 8, 4, 3, 5, 7, 6, 14, 4
Fremantle: 16, 14, 6, 3, 12, 11, 2, 7
Sydney: 14, 13, 17, 8, 11, 14, 9, 8
Collingwood: 2, 1, 2, 1, 15, 4, 6, 11
Richmond: 18, 18, 12, 17, 18, 18, 18, 18

There are a few trends (farking hell Collingwood and the Dogs get looked after), but as you can see, most teams do fluctuate naturally.

How in blazes do we not fluctuate? If that's not an agenda, be it intended or subconscious of some sort, I dunno what to say.

It might sound outlandish, but do you reckon that umpiring fraternity has a bit of an in-joke, and that's all it is? Rather than it being an AFL agenda, or even a subconscious bias against us (I think this one is genuinely possible given the narrative), maybe the umpires just have a bit of a secret internal pact to shaft us, just enough to make it hurt, but not enough that they get investigated for cheating.

I dunno, but those numbers are alarming.

 

[SavDog23]

poor geesook. CFL to step in immediately

 

[Groupie_]

poor geesook. CFL to step in immediately

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LMAOO how does this get turned into a geelol post. they still get a grouse ride. written by jon anderson or scott gullan both geelol fans no doubt

 

[RobsJourney]

Just had a little look of my own over the data. This is an absolute s**t show and those nuffies on Twitter/X can bugger off.

From and including 2017...

Year - Position - For-Against (Total) RUNNING TOTAL

2017 - 18th - 469-528 (-59)
2018 - 18th - 421-543 (-122) Total -181
2019 - 12th - 463-490 (-27) Total -208
2020 - 17th - 316-384 (-68) Total -276
2021 - 18th - 376-461 (-85) Total -361
2022 - 18th - 433-517 (-84) Total -445
2023 - 18th - 357-416 (-59) Total -504
2024 (after 8 games) - 18th - 117-166 (-49) Total -553

In 7 seasons + 8 games, we are -553 free kicks, we have been 18th six times in those 8 seasons, 17th once, and somehow 12th once.

Other teams' finishing positions across that period:

Essendon: 11, 12, 11, 16, 16, 5, 7, 2
Western Bulldogs: 1, 5, 1, 7, 1, 1, 8, 15
Hawthorn: 15, 9, 16, 18, 10, 12, 12, 13
Adelaide: 8, 4, 3, 5, 7, 6, 14, 4
Fremantle: 16, 14, 6, 3, 12, 11, 2, 7
Sydney: 14, 13, 17, 8, 11, 14, 9, 8
Collingwood: 2, 1, 2, 1, 15, 4, 6, 11
Richmond: 18, 18, 12, 17, 18, 18, 18, 18

There are a few trends (farking hell Collingwood and the Dogs get looked after), but as you can see, most teams do fluctuate naturally.

How in blazes do we not fluctuate? If that's not an agenda, be it intended or subconscious of some sort, I dunno what to say.

It might sound outlandish, but do you reckon that umpiring fraternity has a bit of an in-joke, and that's all it is? Rather than it being an AFL agenda, or even a subconscious bias against us (I think this one is genuinely possible given the narrative), maybe the umpires just have a bit of a secret internal pact to shaft us, just enough to make it hurt, but not enough that they get investigated for cheating.

I dunno, but those numbers are alarming.

Replying to my own post, but would love to see a breakdown of...

• How many of our free kicks were near defensive half-back (where they do bugger all for us)
• How many of our free kicks were in junk time when a game is done (I see you 3 free kicks to 3-quarter time against Fremantle I think last year?)
• How many of our free kicks against resulted in goals (How about a 75 metre penalty to go with your dodgy free kick, De Koning?)

That latter one, I reckon we'd top the league by a country mile in the last 8 years.

 

[Groupie_]