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[CowboyFromHell]

Two players in our side really need to take a good hard look at themselves - and it's no secret that it's Shane Woewodin and Russell Robertson

These guys have enormous potential, esp. Woey seeing as he has a Brownlow to his name. But they have not done enough for us. Once again today, from what I heard, Robbo had about 6 touches (again) and Woewodin did nothing. That's three weeks in a row for both these guys, and from quality players, it's just pathetic.

I think ND needs to bite the bullet and drop one or both of these guys. We have Jolly, Ellis, Ward, Thompson and even Miller (kicked 3 last week) waiting in the wings and it's better toi give these guys a run rather than play those two who are doing nothing.

Just what I thought.

 

[dees*gal]

... i know...

however... woey got quite a few touches, and apparently he held back some of the big tigers in the third quarter.

i reckon they should be dropped to the 2's for a week so they know that we can play without them.

 

[Deestroy]

Providing there are no injuries restricting players from playing next week the in's IMHO should be Ellis and Jolly with the out's being Robbo and Woe, if someone is injured, then maybe Williams could be the extra in.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Deestroy
Providing there are no injuries restricting players from playing next week the in's IMHO should be Ellis and Jolly with the out's being Robbo and Woe, if someone is injured, then maybe Williams could be the extra in.

Yeah, that sounds about right. We have enough midfielders and forwards so those two are expendable. The only thing working in Woewodin's favour is that he is the VC......hmmm....

Can't wait to see Ellis play though!

 

[dees*gal]

Originally posted by Deestroy
Providing there are no injuries restricting players from playing next week the in's IMHO should be Ellis and Jolly with the out's being Robbo and Woe, if someone is injured, then maybe Williams could be the extra in.

i'd prefer to have wardy in rather than williams...

 

[Deestroy]

Originally posted by dees*gal


i'd prefer to have wardy in rather than williams...

Ward is a possible starter on the bench for Sandy tomorrow, I severely doubt he will be ready for next week, but yes given the choice I would take Ward, except for the fact his is underdone.

 

[dees*gal]

Originally posted by Deestroy

Ward is a possible starter on the bench for Sandy tomorrow, I severely doubt he will be ready for next week, but yes given the choice I would take Ward, except for the fact his is underdone.

true... just hope wardy's back soon!

 

[SPUNKY_MONKEY45]

okay i'm not gunna get into it but woey didn't have a bad game! and i'm not being biased! my friend, who was at the game, who goes for richmond who despises woewodin said he didn't have a bad game, not an extremely good game. but not a bad one. i dont think we played badly i just think richmond were better in the last term to take the game, as daniher said we ran out of legs

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by SPUNKY_MONKEY45
okay i'm not gunna get into it but woey didn't have a bad game! and i'm not being biased! my friend, who was at the game, who goes for richmond who despises woewodin said he didn't have a bad game, not an extremely good game. but not a bad one. i dont think we played badly i just think richmond were better in the last term to take the game, as daniher said we ran out of legs

You might be right, but he has not played a great game for us in over a year. In 2000 he won the brownlow and had a heap of great games. We haven't seen one since.

Dropping him might be the smack in the face he needs to wake up and start playing football again.

 

[DEES RULE!]

I can't make up my mind in regards to this issue, which is why I'm probably not the right person to be talking about it. But I just don't understand whats been going on with those two lately. Those of you who were at the game could tell that when Woey and Robbo were on they were desperate to get the ball, its not as if they stood there and did nothing and neither of them made any silly mistakes from memory. So its not as if they didn't try, not as if they had a shocking kick or a handball but its as if something is not going right for them. Dropping them back to the 2nd won't change their hunger factor because they are both desperate for the ball and they are both hard at it so I really don't know if dropping them is the right thing to do.
Saying that, you guys might be right in that it might give them a bit of a head check and bring them back to reality. But than again what reality? They really are trying but the stat sheets show otherwise.
If ND decides to drop them I won't critize his decision (but Robbo has to be brought back in the week after or else I'll have to wait till next season to give him his present ) and I won't cry a river either and the same goes for if he keeps them in.
I would love to see the likes of Ellis and Wardy come back in and it will have to be in some elses' expense and I guess going by the stats it could certainly be Robbo's and Woey's expense.

 

[SPUNKY_MONKEY45]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


You might be right, but he has not played a great game for us in over a year. In 2000 he won the brownlow and had a heap of great games. We haven't seen one since.

Dropping him might be the smack in the face he needs to wake up and start playing football again.

yeah i know its hard not seein him play like he did but i really think that keeping him in the seniors will pay off and he did play good last week with 19 possies, 6 clearances
the vfl is alot rougher and he would have more chance of injury and that in the vfl, i may be biased but i really think we gotta persist with him, and he is not the only one!

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Fair enough points there Or, glad I got such a long post out of you WITHOUT you really having a go at me!

Anyway, I do have one question.......why shouldn't they be dropped? I say that mainly because when players are as out of form as these two are, they get dropped. They might be trying their guts out to get the ball, but it's just not happening. But this shouldn't mean they should keep their place.

I just don't see how things should be different for these two. I know you love Robbo and all, and your post was as unbiased as I have seen in a long time p ) but we ND has to draw the line somewhere. And dropping these two for being out of form is the only real solution. We need in form players out there who are getting the ball, not ones who are trying their guts out but not getting any of it. Sorta see my point??

 

[DEES RULE!]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell
Fair enough points there Or, glad I got such a long post out of you WITHOUT you really having a go at me!


Anyway, I do have one question.......why shouldn't they be dropped? I say that mainly because when players are as out of form as these two are, they get dropped. They might be trying their guts out to get the ball, but it's just not happening. But this shouldn't mean they should keep their place.

I just don't see how things should be different for these two. I know you love Robbo and all, and your post was as unbiased as I have seen in a long time p ) but we ND has to draw the line somewhere. And dropping these two for being out of form is the only real solution. We need in form players out there who are getting the ball, not ones who are trying their guts out but not getting any of it. Sorta see my point??

When its warranted I too will be the first to admit when he is playing like sh$t, its just that sometimes I feel like people get stuck into him just to piss me off! Anyways thats a whole other story and we will not get into this again.
I never said they shouldn't get dropped, I said I'm not sure if it'll help the sort of mess they're in. If they get dropped well than fair enough.... I mean thanks for trying but near enough is not good enough sort of thing.
I get why you and many other people think that dropping them is a good idea and while I can't speak on Woey's behalf because I don't know that side of him, I can certainly tell you that dropping Robbo could do a lot of damage. As I said before, he is a confidence player and once he gets going than its all good.... but until he gets that first boost he is pretty much hopeless. He has improved from last year however kicking 1 goal this whole year is very very unexceptable and I too agree that his form and Woey's form has been disgraceful.
Once again I'm really at a loss as to what has been happening. Woey's brownlow blues has got to end soon and I'm really lost as to what is going on with Robbo as I haven't had the chance to talk to him since the begining of the season. I just don't want them to be dropped unless it is absolutly essential because as bad as they have been, those two players are key players and not having them on the field could make a hell of a difference.

 

[SPUNKY_MONKEY45]

Originally posted by DEES RULE!


I too agree that his form and Woey's form has been disgraceful.
Once again I'm really at a loss as to what has been happening. Woey's brownlow blues has got to end soon and I'm really lost as to what is going on with Robbo as I haven't had the chance to talk to him since the begining of the season. I just don't want them to be dropped unless it is absolutly essential because as bad as they have been, those two players are key players and not having them on the field could make a hell of a difference.

or, try reading my OD! about the brownlow blues and i dont think their form has been disgraceful its just not been their best

 

[CowboyFromHell]

I'll use an example of a player who is essential to the team who was dropped.

Jeff Farmer. He was more important than these two, yet back in 1999 he was dropped because his form was as bad as these two have been. He couldn't get anywhere near the ball and just had a shocking time of it. So, Daniher dropped him for the end of the season, so he didn't play seniors for the last 6 or so rounds.

2000, he comes out and kicks 74 goals for the year and get's All Australian. My belief is that dropping him did the trick, in a way. It wasn't all of the reason, but a part of it.

I'm just saying that it won't do them any harm to drop them. Players get dropped all the time for poor form, so why should it be any different for these two??? They should not be immune to it. I think these guys would take being dropped on the chin, and it would fire them up to impress and to really tell Daniher that, hey, I am a great player and I am going to bounce back from my poor form. I would think Woey and Robbo would not let it get to them, they would be above that. But yeah.......just what I think....

And, I am not tryin to piss ya off Or. I just thought it would be good to see what everyone thought about it. This time around Robbo HAS been outta form, and this is also about Woey too. Cool?

 

[DEES RULE!]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell
I'll use an example of a player who is essential to the team who was dropped.

Jeff Farmer. He was more important than these two, yet back in 1999 he was dropped because his form was as bad as these two have been. He couldn't get anywhere near the ball and just had a shocking time of it. So, Daniher dropped him for the end of the season, so he didn't play seniors for the last 6 or so rounds.

2000, he comes out and kicks 74 goals for the year and get's All Australian. My belief is that dropping him did the trick, in a way. It wasn't all of the reason, but a part of it.

I'm just saying that it won't do them any harm to drop them. Players get dropped all the time for poor form, so why should it be any different for these two??? They should not be immune to it. I think these guys would take being dropped on the chin, and it would fire them up to impress and to really tell Daniher that, hey, I am a great player and I am going to bounce back from my poor form. I would think Woey and Robbo would not let it get to them, they would be above that. But yeah.......just what I think....

And, I am not tryin to piss ya off Or. I just thought it would be good to see what everyone thought about it. This time around Robbo HAS been outta form, and this is also about Woey too. Cool?

Fair enough. Those two players are not different and I guess I'm thinking with my heart more than I'm thinking with the brain. I just hope that dropping them for a week (NOT MORE THAN A WEEK! ) would do the trick not take them a step back.
And yeah its cool Adam, I was never gonna deny the fact that Robbo has been out of form its just that some of the approaches have been pretty full on for me to handle.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by DEES RULE!


Fair enough. Those two players are not different and I guess I'm thinking with my heart more than I'm thinking with the brain. I just hope that dropping them for a week (NOT MORE THAN A WEEK! ) would do the trick not take them a step back.
And yeah its cool Adam, I was never gonna deny the fact that Robbo has been out of form its just that some of the approaches have been pretty full on for me to handle.

Don't worry, I think with my heart far too much when it comes to Melbourne!

And because your so passionate about Robbo, people will get stuck into you about him whenever they can. I tried to make this as nice as possible. I think I achieved it.

 

[DEES RULE!]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


Don't worry, I think with my heart far too much when it comes to Melbourne!

And because your so passionate about Robbo, people will get stuck into you about him whenever they can. I tried to make this as nice as possible. I think I achieved it.

People do get stuck into me but thats part of it and I deal with it!
And this thread was done very appropriatly.

 

[dees01]

Robertson has to be dropped. His performance was nothing short of shocking. His decision making today was atrocious. He did not make any good leads. His disposal was woeful and he had no spark.
Woewodin was not much better. He is no use on the bench for half the game. Play him in the seconds for a full game. He is just no use to Melbourne at the moment.
Another one that should be dropped is Broadbridge. He looked lost yesterday.
Ellis has to come in immediatly. Hopefully Thompson will be back soon along with Ward.

 

[DEES RULE!]

Originally posted by dees01
Robertson has to be dropped. His performance was nothing short of shocking. His decision making today was atrocious. He did not make any good leads. His disposal was woeful and he had no spark.

Ok thats it, I can't take this anymore!
I talked to Robbo today at the VFL match and you guys brought all these ideas that he should be dropped into my head and to tell you the truth no one around the club feels the way you do. I mean here I was talking to Robbo and he was trying to justify himself to me and I just felt horrible coz he is trying, and its not fair that we all expect him to be a super star week in and week out and kick 5 goals every match. He was telling me that he has now played 50 games in a row and its tough and he will just have to handle the critisism and move on. He also made it pretty clear to me that there has been off field stuff going on with him and so I really think we should all just give him a break. He has been playing like sh@t, he admited that, but he has been trying and he will keep on trying and no critisism will change that.

 

[Deestroy]

Originally posted by DEES RULE!


Ok thats it, I can't take this anymore!
I talked to Robbo today at the VFL match and you guys brought all these ideas that he should be dropped into my head and to tell you the truth no one around the club feels the way you do. I mean here I was talking to Robbo and he was trying to justify himself to me and I just felt horrible coz he is trying, and its not fair that we all expect him to be a super star week in and week out and kick 5 goals every match. He was telling me that he has now played 50 games in a row and its tough and he will just have to handle the critisism and move on. He also made it pretty clear to me that there has been off field stuff going on with him and so I really think we should all just give him a break. He has been playing like sh@t, he admited that, but he has been trying and he will keep on trying and no critisism will change that.

I am not suggesting critisism will change anything, I am not asking him to kick 5 goals a week, I am not saying he doesn't have problems off the field.

What I am saying is he needs as a forward to kick at least 1-2 goals a game, I would rather him kick 2 a game than 5 one week and none the next. He is not getting enough of the ball, and is not playing well. We have a number of players that are now close to fully fit in Sandy, and you cannot expect them to drop a player who is playing well a head of a player who isn't. The board may not see it that way, but thats the way I see it.

 

[dees*gal]

Originally posted by Deestroy

I am not suggesting critisism will change anything, I am not asking him to kick 5 goals a week, I am not saying he doesn't have problems off the field.

What I am saying is he needs as a forward to kick at least 1-2 goals a game, I would rather him kick 2 a game than 5 one week and none the next. He is not getting enough of the ball, and is not playing well. We have a number of players that are now close to fully fit in Sandy, and you cannot expect them to drop a player who is playing well a head of a player who isn't. The board may not see it that way, but thats the way I see it.

i wouldn't even say its just kicking the goals... if he was able to get the ball maybe to others to kick goals then that would be ok, but he's not even getting the ball. he knows theres something not right, so hopefully he'll try fix it!

 

[DEES RULE!]

Look I have decided not to comment about this issue of dropping Robbo anymore because of personal reasons which I just can't handle right now so yeah you pretty much know my view on the matter and thats all I'm gonna say.

 

[SPUNKY_MONKEY45]

Originally posted by dees01
Robertson has to be dropped. His performance was nothing short of shocking. His decision making today was atrocious. He did not make any good leads. His disposal was woeful and he had no spark.
Woewodin was not much better. He is no use on the bench for half the game. Play him in the seconds for a full game. He is just no use to Melbourne at the moment.
Another one that should be dropped is Broadbridge. He looked lost yesterday.
Ellis has to come in immediatly. Hopefully Thompson will be back soon along with Ward.

as or has said, they wont drop either woey or robbo it just wont happen! how can you say woey has been playing terribly when he has been getting over 15 touches a game in the past few weeks!
i think broadbridge should be dropped but just so he gets a game instead of being wasted on the bench
ellis didn't do very much in today's sandy game and i think williams should get another chance in the seniors he has played very well in both vfl games this season!

 

[madboy]

I'm not going to come out on one person's side or another here, but what I do have to say is this: all of you, pretty much, are saying it'll do the player good or bad if he gets dropped to the seconds, and that's great. But what about the team?

A football team consists of about 20 players taking to the ground in a particular game. If 1 or 2 of those players aren't performing, and they really should be, you have to use some sort of tactic (benching them, dropping them, sitting down and talking to them) to get them to perform. But whatever ND does, he has to do it quickly, otherwise the team will suffer.

Another point: look at it from the point of view of a player who has just acheived match fitness after playing in the two's. He's ready, he's fit, he's fired up, yet he has been told he has to wait another week because some under-acheiving champion hasn't quite got his act together yet, but "this could be his (the champion) week". How is the player in the two's going to feel about that? He could get apathetic, play a lousy game, and stuff up his chances to play the following week.

Something has to be done, and it has to be done soon.