Updated RFC Player Weights

[TigerTime88]

The only thing I would say about Helbigs weight is he had a light frame and therefore would be easy to see him have that inital gain. 6kgs over a 3-4 month period is not impossible. I put on 7kgs with 3 weight sessions a week while swimming 40km a week. I dare say that is alot more aerobic work than our boys do and I didn't struggle with it. Had the creatine/protein suppliments and actually found creatine was the one that worked.

Also apparently Helbig has gotten taller since last year. As for the growing post 18 comment I think it is reasonable to expecct some decent growth to 19/20.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Looking at the videos on the 14th and 22nd of November, Batchelor looks every bit 86kg. No reason to doubt it anymore

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar vision archive/tabid/11454/default.aspx#playvideo#playvideo

 

[Morro]

I have no doubt that batch and helbig could gain that weight. When I was 20 I was told I was too light to play midfield and then went from 78kg to 86kg in one off season. Had the perfect job allowing me to dedicate alot of time to it. But it can be done all while keeping your aerobic fitness aswell. Not to mention I didn't have half the advantages these guys have.

 

[Infamy]

Comparing the new numbers to those from footywire (can't find a full list of 2010 weights elsewhere)

Astbury 195cm (+-0cm) 93Kg (+1Kg)
Bachelor 188cm (+-0cm) 86Kg (+6Kg)
Browne 203cm (+-0cm) 105kg (+-0Kg)
Conca 185cm (+-0cm) 80Kg (+2Kg)
Connors 186cm (+-0cm) 84Kg (+-0Kg)
Cotchin 185cm (+-0cm) 84Kg (+1Kg)
Dea 186cm (+-0cm) 85Kg (+2Kg)
Deledio 188cm (+-0cm) 88Kg (+-0Kg)
Derrickx 201cm (+-0cm) 100Kg (+1Kg)
Edwards 182cm (+-0cm) 80Kg (+2Kg)
Foley 178cm (+-0cm) 81Kg (+1Kg)
Graham 201cm (+-0cm) 106Kg (+4Kg)
Griffiths 200cm (+2cm) 100Kg (+1Kg)
Grigg 190cm (+-0cm) 85Kg (+1Kg)
Grimes 193cm (+-0cm) 91Kg (+4Kg)
Helbig 185cm (+-0cm) 83Kg (+6Kg)
Houli 180cm (+-0cm) 84Kg (+2Kg)
Jackson 190cm (+2cm) 88Kg (-3Kg)???
King 178cm (+-0cm) 82Kg (-2Kg)
MacDonald 184cm (+-0cm) 86Kg (-1Kg)
Maric 200cm (+-0cm) 102Kg (+-0Kg)
Martin 187cm (+-0cm) 86Kg (+-0Kg)
McGuane 192cm (+-0cm) 92Kg (+1Kg)
Miller 194cm (+-0cm) 96Kg (+-0Kg)
Moore 190cm (+-0cm) 90Kg (+-0Kg)
Nahas 176cm (+-0cm) 72Kg (+2Kg)
Newman 183cm (+-0cm) 83Kg (+1Kg)
Post 195cm (+-0cm) 93Kg (+-0Kg)
Rance 194cm (+-0cm) 93Kg (+-0Kg)
Riewoldt 195cm (+-0cm) 93Kg (+-0Kg)
Tuck 189cm (+-0cm) 92Kg (+-0Kg)
Vickery 200cm (+-0cm) 95Kg (+-0Kg)
Webberley 182cm (+-0cm) 80Kg (+2Kg)
White 180cm (+-0cm) 82Kg (+-0Kg)

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Not sure about why everyone is questioning the height differences. I'm 185.5cm but it can vary from between 184 to 187.

The interesting one for me is Vickery. He was listed at 95kgs last year so he supposedly hasn't gained any weight. If the club wanted him to spend a decent amount of time in the ruck they would need him to be at least 100kgs.

 

[freezer]

The interesting one for me is Vickery. He was listed at 95kgs last year so he supposedly hasn't gained any weight. If the club wanted him to spend a decent amount of time in the ruck they would need him to be at least 100kgs.

Vickery's agility was a real weapon last year and made him a difficult match up. The plan might be to keep him at his current weight and let him fill out naturally so he doesn't lose any mobility through put on too much bulk too quickly. He could of also trimmed up and added a bit of muscle, as Dusty has.

Plenty of time to develop as a ruckman as he hits his mid 20s if that's where he's seen to be going. Personally think he'll end up predominantly as a forward with occasional rotations through the ruck.

 

[SumTingWong]

Some perspective:

The guy who owns my the gym that I go to used to be a Mr. Universe competitor and he told me it is impossible to put on 6-8 kg of muscle in one year....even with steroids. You will probably gain 3-4 and the rest is fluid and fat.....and that would only be for a few years and then maybe 2 each year after that. Given that these guys have only been weight training for the last 2-3 months most of it will be fluid/fat which will mostly strip off with the amount of running they will do during the summer. He also told me that for an endurance athlete like football 1-2 kg each year of ACTUAL muscle is about all you can hope for and if you put on too much weight at a young age (like Astbury) your body probably won't cope...sth about too much stress on the joints which could actually still be developing. For a KPP who prob won't hit their peak until 23-25, if they only put on 2kg per year that would take from say 85-95kg .....which is a weight gain that the body can handle.

So for everyone who think you can lift weights for 1-2 offseasons and put on 6-10 kg and still run like the wind at 20-21...GET REAL!!

 

[Infamy]

These weight increases are since this time last year, not 2-3 months
I do agree that its not all lean muscle mass though, Astbury last year, while bigger was not ripped, just bulkier

 

[CallMeAl]

Some perspective:

The guy who owns my the gym that I go to used to be a Mr. Universe competitor and he told me it is impossible to put on 6-8 kg of muscle in one year....even with steroids. You will probably gain 3-4 and the rest is fluid and fat.....and that would only be for a few years and then maybe 2 each year after that. Given that these guys have only been weight training for the last 2-3 months most of it will be fluid/fat which will mostly strip off with the amount of running they will do during the summer. He also told me that for an endurance athlete like football 1-2 kg each year of ACTUAL muscle is about all you can hope for and if you put on too much weight at a young age (like Astbury) your body probably won't cope...sth about too much stress on the joints which could actually still be developing. For a KPP who prob won't hit their peak until 23-25, if they only put on 2kg per year that would take from say 85-95kg .....which is a weight gain that the body can handle.

So for everyone who think you can lift weights for 1-2 offseasons and put on 6-10 kg and still run like the wind at 20-21...GET REAL!!

In regards to how much weight can be gained, generally what your mate says is correct, but somewhere around 18 years of age as the bodie matures many blokes naturally put on quite a few kilos naturally, so it is possible to put on larger amounts of weight. A one of occasion, but yes it does happen.

Putting on too much weight too quickly can cause problems as you say though. Not just in the person needing to learn how to deal with the extra weight, but also health issues, particularly around the joints as the bone structure and ligaments etc have trouble dealing with the extra muscle mass.

 

[RFC_Official]

Obviously there is some fudging of the numbers here.

Pretty sure Shane Edwards has grown a centremetre or two. Matt White has gone from 179 to 180. Jacko has never previously been listed at 190. Griff may have grown 1.5cm due to his youth but considering the other fudging who knows.

Slight update here

Here are the numbers from 9am yesterday
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&btnG=&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=

And here are the numbers after I updated it.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/players/tabid/7689/category/senior/season/2011/default.aspx

As you will see, Edwards didnt grow and Jacko was my mistake since fixed.

 

[tigerfansince86]

Probz on the creatine, protein stack and eating 6 small meals a day a good plan for building lean muscle and mass over a 12 week plan in the gym. Definitely could add in no time, 4-8 kgs, ive done it.

 

[SumTingWong]

Probz on the creatine, protein stack and eating 6 small meals a day a good plan for building lean muscle and mass over a 12 week plan in the gym. Definitely could add in no time, 4-8 kgs, ive done it.

Don't want to turn this into a bodybuilding post but "Lean muscle AND MASS". Mass is fluid and fat. You were lucky to put on 1 or 2 kg of muscle (he says as he bangs his head against a brickwall)

 

[blaisee]

Slight update here

Here are the numbers from 9am yesterday
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&btnG=&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=

And here are the numbers after I updated it.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/players/tabid/7689/category/senior/season/2011/default.aspx

As you will see, Edwards didnt grow and Jacko was my mistake since fixed.

if Maric is 71kg I will eat my hat

please update rookie heights and weights

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Addam Maric
#19 Richmond Tigers
Age: 21yr 7mth
Games: 21
Born: April 18, 1990
Height: 176cm
Weight: 77kg
Position: Forward
Last Drafted: Round 1, Pick #7 2011 Rookie Draft
Last Drafted By: Richmond Tigers

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-melbourne-demons--addam-maric

 

[santa claws]

what is normal people.that is all im talking about.

lets take a look at some of our older players and see how much they have grown and developed weight wise.

first up jackson already been mentioned on here.was drafted in 03 as a 17yo at 187cm/87kg up until 2010 he grew 1cm to 188cm. his weight vgain in 8 yrs has gone varied between 87kg to 92kg in 2010. the last two seasons hes been dropping weight probably due to pace issues. hes now back to basically 88kg. i doubt very much that jackson is more than 188cm. i suppose it can happen but at 25 26 its unlikely.

how about a skinny player in moore.
since being on the lst he has been either 189cm or 190cm. its been constant.
was taken at 79kg in 03. he had a massive jump to 86 kg for 04 and remained there for 6 yrs until 2010 where he reached his current weight of 90kg he one who has had a massive weight jump at the start of his career so i suppose it does happen. the only thing i can say is at 190cm an79kg it was likely he was going to gain a good amount but 7kg is huge.

how about a small edwards
was drfted at 180cm. in 5 or 6 yrs hes grown to 182cm and at his age the norm would be his growing is done.
he started at 72kg and the gains for him have been more normal with gradual gain rather than sudden large gain.. it took him two yrs to get to 76kg with all that gain in the second yr. 2010 he was 79kg and last yr 78kg. this yr hes been measured at what 80kg. hes struggled to bulk every yr and the gains have come every second yr its a lot of hard work.

connors grew 2cm and put on a few kg

foley in 8 yrs grew 1cm and put on about 9kg.

newman has not grown is a similar weight to when he started

jack a tall in 6 pre seasons he has grown 3cm and gained 7kg. he went thru a growth spurt in 08 and 09 to gain those 3cm at age 20/21 you can bet jack wont get anytaller at age 23.

if you did this with every player in the comp it would be similar for height. most of the growing done by age 18. with the odd cm or two up to age 22ish. again this is what i would call the norm it does not mean there arent exceptions.with jackson i doubt the height measurement is correct but i can see why he would drop of some of his weight.

with weight i suppose large gain has been shown to happen. but it is clear it is not the norm. so yes with helbig and batchelor i suppose it could be they have gained so much but i still question it. in particular batchelors starting weight at 78kg.these are just 2 of what 35 players who have significantly gained weight and while i know a lot are just in maintenance it shows how few do significantly gain each yr.

i will finish by saying i maintain 3 0r 4kg gains each yr are very good results.

 

[santa claws]

Addam Maric
#19 Richmond Tigers
Age: 21yr 7mth
Games: 21
Born: April 18, 1990
Height: 176cm
Weight: 77kg
Position: Forward
Last Drafted: Round 1, Pick #7 2011 Rookie Draft
Last Drafted By: Richmond Tigers

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-melbourne-demons--addam-maric

this goes to show how poor the stats are. maric was drafted at 178cm in 2007 and around the 77kg mark. he remained 178cm until 2010 when he shrunk to 176cm. now i wonder which one it is.
his weight has remained pretty much a constant.

 

[RFC_Official]

if Maric is 71kg I will eat my hat

please update rookie heights and weights

Updated Rookies details only came through today as they're all in today, so rookies are now updated.

 

[Barnzy]

What was all the fuss and article re Edwards putting on a fair bit of weight (some even mentioned 3-5kgs - was it Newman)?

182/78 to 182/80. Meh. Still a lightweight. Ideal weight at that height would be 83-85kgs.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Deledio was like greased lightning in his first year, then he added 8-10kg (reports varied) the following pre-season and his pace virtually disappeared, he really did take a couple of seasons to get back somewhere near the pace he initially had. Not sure how that helped him become a better player or more useful for us, he went backwards for quite some time and it seemed to dent his confidence a bit.

Astbury gained 7-8kg last year and the same happened, he lost his zip and agility (to the point where people thought he was soft and lacked aggression) and his knee gave way. Again, a backwards step, no extra use to us and no confidence gained.

IMO - although I'm sure there will be examples for either pov on rapid weight gain - there's a lot to be said for being a bit more patient than the above two examples, which really appeared to help neither player or club actually perform better.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Deledio was like greased lightning in his first year, then he added 8-10kg (reports varied) the following pre-season and his pace virtually disappeared, he really did take a couple of seasons to get back somewhere near the pace he initially had. Not sure how that helped him become a better player or more useful for us, he went backwards for quite some time and it seemed to dent his confidence a bit.

As an individual player, I don't agree Deledio has ever gone backwards. Looking at his disposal averages per game over the course of his career, there has been an upward trend the whole way. Of course, his actual output and affect on games has varied due to the quality of the team around him and opponents efforts to shut him out, but his raw ability to get the ball has only ever improved from what I can see.

Also, I don't know that we can judge his raw pace (say over 50m) from simply watching games. He has just recently been re-confirmed as the quickest at the club, I'd doubt whether that has ever not been the case since he arrived. I could be wrong, but I imagine the bigger blokes are the ones who really notice the changes when putting on weight.

IMO - although I'm sure there will be examples for either pov on rapid weight gain - there's a lot to be said for being a bit more patient than the above two examples, which really appeared to help neither player or club actually perform better.

Hopefully we don't draft all our kids hoping they will be in their prime in their first two years. Undoubtedly there is an element of one step back, two steps forwards with a lot of players. If a player puts on a lot of weight in his first 1-2 years, I imagine the club then takes in to account the time required for them to adjust to the new body shape. Second year blues may be due to more than just psychological reasons.

 

[deliberate!!]

where's Relton?

 

[CallMeAl]

relton is a big boy now.

 

[Madison]

Dean Bailey was talking about Jack Watts and the plan with him was to add about 2-3kg every pre season so he didn't lose any pace or mobility. And that would have him at about 95-100 kgs at age 23 when he should be coming into his prime.

I would assume Richmond has a similar plan for our players. Gradual gain of lean muscle, not mass gain programs.

 

[Madtiger2006]

We only have 1 player under 80kg. Most clubs have close to 10. Not many clubs have under 5. So we're looking pretty solid

 

[santa claws]

Webberley is 80kg. Nahas is the only sub 80

theres nothing wrong with being under 80kg . nahas and maric are the only two under that weight who have spent significant time in the system.

nahas is just too small at 72 kg maric is nearly 1 stone heavier and for a 176cm player about right at 77kg. gibson turner another rookie would be the only other who is under 80kg. size and weight is only relevant when its combined with what sort of role a player has.
ie take a fb. if you ask your fb at 90kg to play on a ff at say 97kg it is a big head start to the ff. if the ff is also 5cm taller its a massive advantage.

how about we ask nathan foley to go head to head with ablett. similar height well ablett has it over him by 4cm but is 8kg heavier. he matches foley in all other areas in fact is better in most. this is the sort of thing we have asked our tall players to do. go up against taller heavier players who have probably just as many good attributes, ie pace leap etc.

nahas again to go with his size or lack of he fails the test in other areas that should make up for his lack of size. as a small nippy forward he is not clean enough or skilled enough. he can play on a wing as a line runner but when a game turns into a genuine contest he will become a liability.

anyway im sure you get the gist of what im saying one thing for sure we are getting bigger as a team and a list its not before time.