VAFA u17s ??
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Hmmmm..... food for thought.
There is a logical progression in a lot of league clubs from U14-U16-U18-Seniors.
Right now the Ammo Path is U14-U16-change leagues-U19. That's a potentially big gap to cross.
I do know that in WRFL-land there are rumours of a "Super-U18" competition. If U16 players can move into that and start getting paid pocket money, the chances of them being attracted into U19 ammo sides would be greatly reduced. Coin is a powerful drug to the young.
An U17 competition could head that sort of thing off at the pass, and perhaps negate upcoming rifts developing between junior and senior sections of some clubs.
I think the concept has merit, but I'm speaking for myself and not on behalf of anyone else, especially any clubs.
There is a logical progression in a lot of league clubs from U14-U16-U18-Seniors.
Right now the Ammo Path is U14-U16-change leagues-U19. That's a potentially big gap to cross.
I do know that in WRFL-land there are rumours of a "Super-U18" competition. If U16 players can move into that and start getting paid pocket money, the chances of them being attracted into U19 ammo sides would be greatly reduced. Coin is a powerful drug to the young.
An U17 competition could head that sort of thing off at the pass, and perhaps negate upcoming rifts developing between junior and senior sections of some clubs.
I think the concept has merit, but I'm speaking for myself and not on behalf of anyone else, especially any clubs.
The MSJFL have quite a big u/17 comp with two diversions. Many MSJFL clubs are VAFA clubs as well.
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it cant work...
most kids play in their local junior leagues up to u17's before coming across to a senior/ u 19 team...
u cant see many kids playing from the age of 10 at the one club to then leave there mates at u17 level to go to a new club... or it could ruin local junior leagues who would be forced to cease at u15/u16's
u17 also involves alot of kids playing school footy... 2 games in the weekend is tough, and VAFA would play saty which would clash with APS + AGS school boys leaving u17 sides depleted....when i played u17's football, 3/4 played school boy footy on the saty b4 the sunday game...
most kids play in their local junior leagues up to u17's before coming across to a senior/ u 19 team...
u cant see many kids playing from the age of 10 at the one club to then leave there mates at u17 level to go to a new club... or it could ruin local junior leagues who would be forced to cease at u15/u16's
u17 also involves alot of kids playing school footy... 2 games in the weekend is tough, and VAFA would play saty which would clash with APS + AGS school boys leaving u17 sides depleted....when i played u17's football, 3/4 played school boy footy on the saty b4 the sunday game...
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Correct. In establishing an U17 competition the VAFA had better do their homework or it could backfire and cost the league/clubs alot of time and money.
They just can't skim the U17's from the big junior leagues and not be aware of the ramifications for those leagues and clubs especially aligned to TAC sides.
If they head down that path they should perhaps do so in consulation or JV with the major leagues and fill the holes where U17's teams are needed.
They should also provide the leagues with stronger links to TAC in an up/down relationship that will enhance and not destroy the competition
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Old Boys clubs wont care, seems to be a ploy to make district clubs stronger.
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I don't think it would work. I think the fact is a lot of the Under 17s sometimes play in the Under 19s and therefore it would be stripping the Under 19s (and also the seniors) bare of players, especially if injuries start to hit during the year and the Under 19s need players to step up and fill the gaps. And where would a senior or Under 19s team turn to if Under 19s players are injured or unavaliable for long periods of time and therefore need Under 17s to help out on either a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? Has the VAFA thought this through without realising the impact it would have on the MSJFL and other junior leagues around Melbourne?
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C'mon Jase - have YOU thought this one through.......consider the potential for U17 Section of Origin matches!!!!
Maybe a North -v- South or an East -v- West as a curtainraiser at 6 am to the U19s (9.30am), U21s (12pm), U23s (2.30pm) and senior matches (5pm - night game, just like the AFL) on a Super Saturday at Telstra Dome in front of 1500 people??
I reckon Barnesy, Frosty and Bruno could be the selectors and you get to run water.
What are your thoughts Jase???
Hang on, I might start a poll first to see what others think......
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No, like I said before, it will not work. The VAFA would have to consider VERY carefully the implications of such a move. It would mean possibly the end of the MSJFL as we know it. After all, the MSJFL is possibly the best junior comp outside the TAC Cup at the moment.And any move by the VAFA to start an Under 17s comp would have get prior approval from AFL Victoria.
What makes the MSJFL so strong Jase? They're affiliate side in the TAC seem to have struggled since winning the premiership in '99.
I have seen the memo too bigwaz. I'll reserve judgement until the VAFA provide solid details on which day the comp would run (must be Sunday to get my vote), which grounds it would use (don't think we are out of the wilderness yet in regards to ground use even with all the rain).
Agree partly with BS though, I can't see the old school boys clubs caring as most of their future senior players will be playing for the school but i don't think it would be a "ploy" to make the district sides stronger, most districts clubs are already running U17 sides.
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Why not scrap the Under 19s and replace it with under 18s?
On the contrary, it would enable the school clubs to get more of the private school kids playing at district clubs already established U17 sides.
Most U17 teams playing in the YJFL can change up to half their team each week depending on TAC and/or school commitments.
An VAFA based U17 comp would hurt district clubs immensely as the smooth transition from 17s to 19s (for my club anyway) would be hindered if the 3 or 4 private schools our kids attend are able to "coerce" them to play for the school U17 side. They would then be lost from their junior club.
Also someone with more knowledge of Old Boy Clubs might be able to say whether this new compition would interfere with the schools own competition and cause any friction.
C'mon Jase - have YOU thought this one through.......consider the potential for U17 Section of Origin matches!!!!
Maybe a North -v- South or an East -v- West as a curtainraiser at 6 am to the U19s (9.30am), U21s (12pm), U23s (2.30pm) and senior matches (5pm - night game, just like the AFL) on a Super Saturday at Telstra Dome in front of 1500 people??
I reckon Barnesy, Frosty and Bruno could be the selectors and you get to run water.
What are your thoughts Jase???
Hang on, I might start a poll first to see what others think......
Very informative concrete boots. Suggest you stick to "msn chat" with your mates. if you have any.
Seems to be a lot of talk about the MSJFL. I don't reckon the VAFA would give a stuff what it meant for the MSJFL. I know we at the snakepit would welcome an U/17 in the VAFA with open arms.
School football would have a bearing on it, particularly with many A/B clubs. But once again, tend to think the VAFA would be happy to tackle those issues head on.
School football would have a bearing on it, particularly with many A/B clubs. But once again, tend to think the VAFA would be happy to tackle those issues head on.
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I disagree Joe,
I think the VAFA has more ties to the MSJFL than you know.
I think the VAFA has more ties to the MSJFL than you know.
Heard tonight that the MSJFL actually wants to offload its U17's to the VAFA,
can anyone confirm?
can anyone confirm?
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Is it a possibility that the VAFA u/17 competition will merge with the MSJFL? Im aware that there are some clubs in the MSJFL and not the VAFA, but i dont understand how the VAFA u/17 comp will work for clubs already running teams in the MSJFL.
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I think this divide between old boys vs district clubs misses one important point. Whilst some school comps are saturday (AGS/APS) a lot of the other comps are mid week (ACC) which has a considerable bearing on each of the clubs and means a big divide between the old boys clubs (ie. they are not an homogenous group) when it comes to their ability to attract students at U19 level. Some find it easier to attract kids out of the college because there better players have played school footy on a Saturday for years and the local club bond has been broken whilst others have students with a local club on the weekends and school footy during the week.
An u17 competition may have a negative impact on local junior comps but who cares if it means our competition is stronger. This is clear in the comments in the record about football victoria's view as well.
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I think it's a good idea to have an Under 17 comp in the VAFA. I was against the idea at first, but now I can see some positives to the scheme. First, it would provide a better pathway for the young kids coming up into senior level, and there would no longer be a 'bridge to cross', in other words, young players finding it hard to adapt to senior level would not have that handicap, they will now adapt to senior football much quicker than before.
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Did anyone on this forum attend the meeting the VAFA held on Monday night regarding this proposal ?
I was there sloth, we're at the point of organising a committee of senior club and junior club people to debate where we should go.
While we have a strong junior club at the young end of the scale we couldn't manage to field an U17's team this year even though the U16 group won a flag last year, only 4 players from the premiership team requested transfers, where have the rest gone? Perhaps they may have stayed had the U17 been under the VAFA banner, it's a question we hope to work on over the next couple of months.
