Vale Shane Warne

[010203]

Years ago I read a story in a gossip column from England claiming Ricky Ponting and Shane Warne didn't get along well. Ponting's immense emotion about Warne's death means we can put that story in the bullshit category.

 

[Bluish]

I can’t have been the only one going on a Robelinda2 Shane Warne binge the past few days. This cracked me up. Also featuring rare Dennis Cometti cricket TV commentary.

 

[tombomb]

I think Shane Warne's 2005 Ashes is the closest I have ever seen to someone perfecting a sport.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think Shane Warne's 2005 Ashes is the closest I have ever seen to someone perfecting a sport.

What I found amazing about it is that it was like the last throwback to the previous England era. Everything about them was SO much different and better. They weren’t scared of the tearaway quick anymore - Lee bowled really well but there was no fear of him. McGrath obviously had his issues with injury but still bowled well but for the most part England were able to at least sort of break even. There was no Hayden/langer/Slater/Taylor just destroying them over and over again in the first few sessions of a game or innings, no Gilchrist turning games on their head, no English go-slow where they would scratch 30-40 in a session and lose 3 wickets in the top order, no great white failures where these hyped english guys fall flat on their face. But they could not shake Warney who was as dominant as he’d ever been.

 

[Plugger35]

A number of Australian players had a disappointing 2005 Ashes series and struggled to cope with an England team that were up for the fight and weren't the easybeats they were used to but Warnie wasn't one of them, he rose to the challenge like a true champion and nearly carried Australia over the line.

 

[Leeda]

Still can not ….just expecting Shane to pop up and commentate ….see how we are all going ….
telling us all he is still in the building and wants to tell our aspiring ‘spin machines’ to rub them up down and dirty…
I am sure Shane didn’t mind a bit of hyperbole…

 

[big_e]

A number of Australian players had a disappointing 2005 Ashes series and struggled to cope with an England team that were up for the fight and weren't the easybeats they were used to but Warnie wasn't one of them, he rose to the challenge like a true champion and nearly carried Australia over the line.

You can understand why he always held that grudge against Steve Waugh.

Warne always knew he was The Man and could get Australia over the line. He did it in the 99 CWC a few times when he'd had a couple of bad games and yet was the only one who believed we could win the semi. The vision of him trying to rev up the team after he took the first wicket is striking.

In that 05 Ashes, you're exactly right - he was epic.

And so he would have believed he would have done it in the West Indies, too.

 

[PhatBoy]

You can understand why he always held that grudge against Steve Waugh.

Warne always knew he was The Man and could get Australia over the line. He did it in the 99 CWC a few times when he'd had a couple of bad games and yet was the only one who believed we could win the semi. The vision of him trying to rev up the team after he took the first wicket is striking.

In that 05 Ashes, you're exactly right - he was epic.

And so he would have believed he would have done it in the West Indies, too.

What he believed and what is reality are not necessarily the same thing. BCL had single handedly turned that series on its head largely at the expense of Warne who Waugh had to resort to hiding from Lara for long periods.

No one had a problem with the fact that Warne saw it as a low point or was disappointed with what happened. At no stage did he ever provide a disclaimer or caveat ‘it turned out we won the series and Colin Miller bowled well so it was a winning call’ he persisted with the impact it had on him. Warney wasn’t a selfish cricketer as such but he came across very selfish in this situation which kind of defeats the purpose of his usual charge towards Steve Waugh of being the most selfish cricketer he played with.

He needed to let it go and actually put himself in the shoes of the captain and coach.

The mantra ‘you should always back your players in’ if stuck to the way he wanted it stuck to, would mean no one ever gets dropped

 

[MarcMaverick]

I don't think that this will fully sink in. I don't think it'll sink in even half way.

There are five stages of grief. We may never get to the final stage with this one.

 

[Bareth Garry]

What I found amazing about it is that it was like the last throwback to the previous England era. Everything about them was SO much different and better. They weren’t scared of the tearaway quick anymore - Lee bowled really well but there was no fear of him. McGrath obviously had his issues with injury but still bowled well but for the most part England were able to at least sort of break even. There was no Hayden/langer/Slater/Taylor just destroying them over and over again in the first few sessions of a game or innings, no Gilchrist turning games on their head, no English go-slow where they would scratch 30-40 in a session and lose 3 wickets in the top order, no great white failures where these hyped english guys fall flat on their face. But they could not shake Warney who was as dominant as he’d ever been.

Kevin Pietersen's 158 in that series was incredible. Took the attack to everyone including Warne. I think Warne even applauded him when Pietersen was eventually bowled. The bowling was good but he was a man possessed on that day and watching it looked like a once in a generation batsman. Don't like him as a bloke and think he didn't achieve his full potential (average ODI record) but that innings was spectacular.

 

[Plugger35]

Kevin Pietersen's 158 in that series was incredible. Took the attack to everyone including Warne. I think Warne even applauded him when Pietersen was eventually bowled. The bowling was good but he was a man possessed on that day and watching it looked like a once in a generation batsman. Don't like him as a bloke and think he didn't achieve his full potential (average ODI record) but that innings was spectacular.

KP was teammates with Warnie at Hampshire so he would have seen a lot of his bowling prior to that Ashes series and knew how to play him better than most other English batsmen.

 

[The hands of stone]

KP was teammates with Warnie at Hampshire so he would have seen a lot of his bowling prior to that Ashes series and knew how to play him better than most other English batsmen.

He also was a big reason KP got picked for that series , he basically lobbied on his behalf to get him in

 

[big_e]

What he believed and what is reality are not necessarily the same thing. BCL had single handedly turned that series on its head largely at the expense of Warne who Waugh had to resort to hiding from Lara for long periods.

No one had a problem with the fact that Warne saw it as a low point or was disappointed with what happened. At no stage did he ever provide a disclaimer or caveat ‘it turned out we won the series and Colin Miller bowled well so it was a winning call’ he persisted with the impact it had on him. Warney wasn’t a selfish cricketer as such but he came across very selfish in this situation which kind of defeats the purpose of his usual charge towards Steve Waugh of being the most selfish cricketer he played with.

He needed to let it go and actually put himself in the shoes of the captain and coach.

The mantra ‘you should always back your players in’ if stuck to the way he wanted it stuck to, would mean no one ever gets dropped

Yeah, I've said on this board a number of times that it was right that he was dropped, and that he should get over it. All I'm saying here is that I can understand why he was so pissed off about it.

 

[FRUMPY]

Just got sent a video of warnie with 4 lovely young lasses - good on ya warnie, lived the life.

 

[SuperSteele22]

Any word of when the state funeral might be?

 

[010203]

Any word of when the state funeral might be?

March 30.

 

[1990crow]

 

[Around the Wicket]

Comparing his last commentary stint - the day he died, he must have easily lost 8kgs minimum in 3 weeks, he looks pretty thin in his last photos / cctv whereas he looked quite chubby in the last T20.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The first time I heard the following story was in Warnie's interview with Michael Parkinson a couple of weeks after he retired from test cricket in January 2007.

Shane talked about breaking both his legs at school when he was 8 and spending a year in plaster and lying on a trolley and pushing himself around on it.

He said, rather off the cuff, that it probably helped make his wrist strong and helped him bowl leg spin.

As an old leggie who struggled with control and not being able to bowl 20 balls in a row on the same spot like Warnie, but I could bowl a spinning leg break and a wrong un, as I watched the interview in 2007, it dawned on me why his control was so great which made him such a great leggie. As his arms were growing, he was giving his wrists and shoulders an extreme workout, pushing that trolley around.

Yes having big hands/fingers helps, having a strong shoulder helps but having a strong bowling arm wrist helps a bloody lot.

Growing up watching Terry Jenner first in a couple of tests and also for SA, then Kerry O'Keeffe, Jim Higgs, Peter Sleep, Bob Holland, then watching Abdul Qadir in the early to late 80's, even old footage of Richie Benaud, etc, what stood out about their bowling actions, was how flexible or floppy their wrist was in their bowling action. Warne's was as solid as a rock.

They talk about Indian batsmen playing very wristy shots, but most leg spinners actions are equally wristy.


MP - And you broke both legs when you were 8 years of age. How did that happen?

SW - I was coming out, you know those concrete sort of cylinders at school, you have, and you walk out, and I was sort of bending over, as I was walking out and someone jumped in my back, pushed me down and my legs broke.

I can sort of vaguely remember it, but my mum and dad have pictures of it, and I've spoken to them about it and they said I broke them pretty badly. And the doctor did what he did, and I had plaster from the neck down with a couple of holes in it. (Parky and audience laugh).

I sort of got around on a trolley and I had to get around for 12 months.

MP - They manufactured a trolley going round on your hands - SW on my hands. (see picture below)

MP - How long did you do that for? SW - Pretty close to 12 months. MP - Good god!

SW - I think only one leg came off first. Not my leg, but my plaster came off first (laughter), then the next one. So I had one leg for a bit longer. But it was worse - Parky interupts

MP - You would have powerfully developed around here ( Parky motioning both hands around his shoulder), I would imagine.

SW - I think that would be one of the reasons why I've got strong wrists and might have actually helped me. I don't know. It's one of the reasons why I couldn't run too well. Had to become a slips fieldsman ( smirks). But look, yeah I sort of vaguely remember it. I don't remember a lot about it. But I remember get around on that trolley.


This is just another reason why we wont see another leggie like Shane Warne for a long time. If a kid in Oz was to do the same thing today, I doubt they would have a manufactured trolley pushing themselves around developing the strength in their shoulders and wrists at 8 years of age. Now days they would have some sort of electric cart to make life more comfortable for any kid who finds themselves in a similar situation to the one Warnie was in 44 years ago.

Maybe one day some kid in Oz will come along who is abnormally strong for his age in both the shoulders and wrists and take up leg spin as a kid and continue developing both his body and cricket skills from his early teens into adulthood and has great control like Warnie.

 

[kane249]

The first time I heard the following story was in Warnie's interview with Michael Parkinson a couple of weeks after he retired from test cricket in January 2007.

Shane talked about breaking both his legs at school when he was 8 and spending a year in plaster and lying on a trolley and pushing himself around on it.

He said, rather off the cuff, that it probably helped make his wrist strong and helped him bowl leg spin.

As an old leggie who struggled with control and not being able to bowl 20 balls in a row on the same spot like Warnie, but I could bowl a spinning leg break and a wrong un, as I watched the interview in 2007, it dawned on me why his control was so great which made him such a great leggie. As his arms were growing, he was giving his wrists and shoulders an extreme workout, pushing that trolley around.

Yes having big hands/fingers helps, having a strong shoulder helps but having a strong bowling arm wrist helps a bloody lot.

Growing up watching Terry Jenner first in a couple of tests and also for SA, then Kerry O'Keeffe, Jim Higgs, Peter Sleep, Bob Holland, then watching Abdul Qadir in the early to late 80's, even old footage of Richie Benaud, etc, what stood out about their bowling actions, was how flexible or floppy their wrist was in their bowling action. Warne's was as solid as a rock.

They talk about Indian batsmen playing very wristy shots, but most leg spinners actions are equally wristy.


MP - And you broke both legs when you were 8 years of age. How did that happen?

SW - I was coming out, you know those concrete sort of cylinders at school, you have, and you walk out, and I was sort of bending over, as I was walking out and someone jumped in my back, pushed me down and my legs broke.

I can sort of vaguely remember it, but my mum and dad have pictures of it, and I've spoken to them about it and they said I broke them pretty badly. And the doctor did what he did, and I had plaster from the neck down with a couple of holes in it. (Parky and audience laugh).

I sort of got around on a trolley and I had to get around for 12 months.

MP - They manufactured a trolley going round on your hands - SW on my hands. (see picture below)

MP - How long did you do that for? SW - Pretty close to 12 months. MP - Good god!

SW - I think only one leg came off first. Not my leg, but my plaster came off first (laughter), then the next one. So I had one leg for a bit longer. But it was worse - Parky interupts

MP - You would have powerfully developed around here ( Parky motioning both hands around his shoulder), I would imagine.

SW - I think that would be one of the reasons why I've got strong wrists and might have actually helped me. I don't know. It's one of the reasons why I couldn't run too well. Had to become a slips fieldsman ( smirks). But look, yeah I sort of vaguely remember it. I don't remember a lot about it. But I remember get around on that trolley.


This is just another reason why we wont see another leggie like Shane Warne for a long time. If a kid in Oz was to do the same thing today, I doubt they would have a manufactured trolley pushing themselves around developing the strength in their shoulders and wrists at 8 years of age. Now days they would have some sort of electric cart to make life more comfortable for any kid who finds themselves in a similar situation to the one Warnie was in 44 years ago.

Maybe one day some kid in Oz will come along who is abnormally strong for his age in both the shoulders and wrists and take up leg spin as a kid and continue developing both his body and cricket skills from his early teens into adulthood and has great control like Warnie.


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So if i'm reading this correctly, any promising young leg-spinners we need to break their legs first?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

On Ancestry, when someone is alive/living, that person's name is shown as 'private.'

As more learn of the news, Warnie's name and face, like Tony Greig and Richie Benaud's, will be shown to Ancestry users.

 

[The Passenger]

The first time I heard the following story was in Warnie's interview with Michael Parkinson a couple of weeks after he retired from test cricket in January 2007.

Shane talked about breaking both his legs at school when he was 8 and spending a year in plaster and lying on a trolley and pushing himself around on it.

He said, rather off the cuff, that it probably helped make his wrist strong and helped him bowl leg spin.

As an old leggie who struggled with control and not being able to bowl 20 balls in a row on the same spot like Warnie, but I could bowl a spinning leg break and a wrong un, as I watched the interview in 2007, it dawned on me why his control was so great which made him such a great leggie. As his arms were growing, he was giving his wrists and shoulders an extreme workout, pushing that trolley around.

Yes having big hands/fingers helps, having a strong shoulder helps but having a strong bowling arm wrist helps a bloody lot.

Growing up watching Terry Jenner first in a couple of tests and also for SA, then Kerry O'Keeffe, Jim Higgs, Peter Sleep, Bob Holland, then watching Abdul Qadir in the early to late 80's, even old footage of Richie Benaud, etc, what stood out about their bowling actions, was how flexible or floppy their wrist was in their bowling action. Warne's was as solid as a rock.

They talk about Indian batsmen playing very wristy shots, but most leg spinners actions are equally wristy.


MP - And you broke both legs when you were 8 years of age. How did that happen?

SW - I was coming out, you know those concrete sort of cylinders at school, you have, and you walk out, and I was sort of bending over, as I was walking out and someone jumped in my back, pushed me down and my legs broke.

I can sort of vaguely remember it, but my mum and dad have pictures of it, and I've spoken to them about it and they said I broke them pretty badly. And the doctor did what he did, and I had plaster from the neck down with a couple of holes in it. (Parky and audience laugh).

I sort of got around on a trolley and I had to get around for 12 months.

MP - They manufactured a trolley going round on your hands - SW on my hands. (see picture below)

MP - How long did you do that for? SW - Pretty close to 12 months. MP - Good god!

SW - I think only one leg came off first. Not my leg, but my plaster came off first (laughter), then the next one. So I had one leg for a bit longer. But it was worse - Parky interupts

MP - You would have powerfully developed around here ( Parky motioning both hands around his shoulder), I would imagine.

SW - I think that would be one of the reasons why I've got strong wrists and might have actually helped me. I don't know. It's one of the reasons why I couldn't run too well. Had to become a slips fieldsman ( smirks). But look, yeah I sort of vaguely remember it. I don't remember a lot about it. But I remember get around on that trolley.


This is just another reason why we wont see another leggie like Shane Warne for a long time. If a kid in Oz was to do the same thing today, I doubt they would have a manufactured trolley pushing themselves around developing the strength in their shoulders and wrists at 8 years of age. Now days they would have some sort of electric cart to make life more comfortable for any kid who finds themselves in a similar situation to the one Warnie was in 44 years ago.

Maybe one day some kid in Oz will come along who is abnormally strong for his age in both the shoulders and wrists and take up leg spin as a kid and continue developing both his body and cricket skills from his early teens into adulthood and has great control like Warnie.


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Strength has always been an underrated aspect of leg spinning. It's not a prerequisite but it requires more power than people typical would think at first look.

Warne and MacGill are obviously pretty broad guys. Kumble more wiry but certainly had a reasonable sized body on him. Even going back through time Bill O'Reilly fits into the Kumble style of body. Obviously not a hard and fast rule - Benaud and Grimmett pretty slight guys, the latter using virtually no body in his action at all.

You only need to go to the nets and switch between leggies and offies for a few overs each and you can feel much more chest and shoulder power needed for leg spin. It goes without saying stronger wrists are needed.

 

[Lebbo73]

A mate text me this on Sunday
"I didn’t believe it. I was in a strip club at Maroochydore and some dude told me. I said he was full of shit."

This mate was going to Thailand for golf and the strippers once or twice a year before Covi.

 

[Cursed Cat]

I think Shane Warne's 2005 Ashes is the closest I have ever seen to someone perfecting a sport.

2005 Ashes model Warnie rightly garners a lot of praise for his mastery and graft.

Shane Warne circa 1993, however, was pure artistry - no-one had bowled that type of line, i.e. drifting to outside leg stump regularly, and yet still been challenging for a wicket in a looong time without contravening the rules - Larwood may have been the last to really pull it off at Test level - and no spinner had been good enough to pull it off.

The Gatting ball was produced in '93, but during Warne's trip to NZ earlier that year, as documented really well here just a day ago, ''Gatting balls'' were thick on the ground; Warne completely bamboozled NZ in a fashion that should be better celebrated; just as Richard Hadlee had deeply humbled Australia on our own shores in 1985 Shane Warne returned the favour in '93.

 

[RohitSharma]

I was thinking of going on a liquid diet but after reading Warne's sad farewell I will stick to my normal diet. Gavaskar is such a piece of shit mates, guy should be kicked out from commentary.