Vermin. Case for sterilization and death penalty presented.

[knuckles]

Neck them both. Unhumans.

Couple 'tied baby every night'

03mar03

AN 18-month-old baby was tied to her bed with sheets and blankets every night for more than a month before her death, a court has been told.

De facto couple, Rebecca May Haliday (Haliday), 22, and Daniel Ronald Green, 25, have both pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of Beanca (Beanca) Margaret Newman and 10 counts of common assault against the baby.
The child, who Haliday had during a relationship with another man, was found dead in her bed on the morning of July 30, 2001.

The court was told Haliday, who also had another older child, was described by her neighbours as a "hopeless mother".

Crown Prosecutor Simone Bain told the Brisbane Supreme Court today Haliday had let Green tie up the child each night because she refused to go to sleep and would fall out of bed.

Ms Bain said the baby's arms and legs were tied behind her back, bound together in a bed sheet and then wrapped tightly into a doona.

Ms Bain said Green told police it was his suggestion to restrain the child, which he said he had done every night for a fortnight.

Haliday, however, told police in her statement the baby was bound every night since the couple had commenced their relationship six weeks earlier.

The couple was expected to be sentenced by Judge Roslyn Atkinson later today.

 

[mandy]

I didn't read past the first sentence, but that's enough for me to agree with the thread title.

 

[Still Crowing]

It's amazing, you need a licence for animals, but any pair of c*ckknockers can have kids.

Kasey

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I hope they get lengthy sentences so fellow prisoners can show them what it feels like to be helpless

 

[Destructive]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
I hope they get lengthy sentences so fellow prisoners can show them what it feels like to be helpless

My thoughts exactly. I reckon that the death penalty should indeed be brought back, and there should be some sort of test to see if people are fit to be parent or not.

 

[skilts]

This is a great impetus for the education of parents. When my son was born, I was amazed at the emphasis on PRE-natal education, with no acknowledgement that the hard bit came after the baby came home.

Not saying this is the issue in this case, but I think the idea of teaching people to deal with the reality of having another, much younger, boarder in the house would be helpful.

The current option teaches women to cope with pain, the like of which they are rarely likely to overcome, in reality. Not a bad idea in itself, but it denies ongoing problems of another, altered reality.

It's true there is no formal qualification to be a parent, other than the ability to conceive. Surely, we're intelligent enough to educate these people who are thrust upon their own resources, without any significant support.

This is one of the reasons I think the whole concept of 'counselling' is BS. If you're directing all your so-called 'counselling' towards the wrong issue, you are so far off the mark as to be worse than useless.

 

[luthor]

Originally posted by skilts
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This is one of the reasons I think the whole concept of 'counselling' is BS. If you're directing all your so-called 'counselling' towards the wrong issue, you are so far off the mark as to be worse than useless.

I agree.

"Counselling" is one of the most overrated concepts ever inflicted on the world.

Seems like if someone looks at you the wrong way in the street, you need to rush off for counselling.

There is counselling for bad marriages, for divorces for attempted suicides for the homeless, the poor and for anything at all that causes stress or trauma.

I heard a sensible-sounding psychologist talking on late night radio recently about this "counselling" caper

It seems that recent studies now reveal that over a large sample of people afflicted by certain types of trauma, there is either neglible or NO net advantage gained by those who received post trauma "counselling" over those who receive none at all.

They found in fact that revisitng the experience through extensive counselling, caused some people to deteriorare markedly.

People have to work out their own coping mechanisms. For MANY people, this means not wanting to talk about it, and certainly not wanting to be "counselled" about it.

In other words, it is often best to just work it out for yourself.

If you don't want to bring an issue or a bad experience out into the open , you should not let others pressure you into feeling that you must "get counselling" to solve the problem.

 

[Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk]

must be dumber than them fools who fed the baby coconut milk i think it was then wondered why it died

 

[Dry Rot]

Whoopps! I thought this thread was about rats, and I was going to offer my evil Pies supporting cat to help. He's bagged 13.

 

[Dry Rot]

Originally posted by Still Crowing
It's amazing, you need a licence for animals, but any pair of c*ckknockers can have kids.

Kasey

Absolutely agree. For years, I've thought that parents should be licensed.

Most wouldn't make it, and the world would have been a better place.

 

[Pessimistic]

Add to that a policeman in charge of investigating sexual assault systematically sbusing a girl/woman for several years.

Death penalty would be humane for him, the crims will shred him inside (even they have standards)

 

[xBinny]

Absolutely agree. For years, I've thought that parents should be licensed.

Most wouldn't make it, and the world would have been a better place.

I agree, but then, who would decide on a good parent? And just because they may be great parents to the kid in the first years, doesn't mean they're not going to stuff it up later. It's a great idea, but who is qualified to judge?

You think people would have common sense! Who could possibly think that tying a baby up would solve the problem. What nut cases! Those two should definately be steralized.... or ripped apart slowly, bit by bit.

 

[Uncle Steve]

Originally posted by skilts
It's true there is no formal qualification to be a parent, other than the ability to conceive.

Therein lies the problem.

A penis should come with a quadratic equation. If you can't solve the equation, then you don't get to use the penis.

[size=small](not my quotation; I don't remember where I heard that)[/size]

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Uncle Steve
Therein lies the problem.

A penis should come with a quadratic equation. If you can't solve the equation, then you don't get to use the penis.

[size=small](not my quotation; I don't remember where I heard that)[/size]

What makes you think that good mathematicians would make good parents????

 

[Docker_Brat]

Originally posted by Jars458
What makes you think that good mathematicians would make good parents????

They probably wouldn't. One of the greatest mathmeticians ever, couldn't even work out how to close a window if the rain was coming in.

However an IQ test should be in order before becoming parents.


"Been around the world to find that only stupid people are breeding.."

 

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Dry Rot
Whoopps! I thought this thread was about rats, and I was going to offer my evil Pies supporting cat to help. He's bagged 13.

I feel sorry for the rats. Getting killed by a Collingwood supporter is very cruel.

Regarding this thread, the death sentence is too easy for them. Let them rot in jail and have Bubba as their cell mate for the rest of their lives.

 

[Rooster Demon]

Originally posted by skilts
This is a great impetus for the education of parents. When my son was born, I was amazed at the emphasis on PRE-natal education, with no acknowledgement that the hard bit came after the baby came home.

Never a truer word spoken on this site! So much emphasis on pain control and relaxation massage and NOTHING on parenting or what happens after you leave the hospital.

 

[luthor]

No-one ever tells you about the constant crying through the night, the poopy nappies, the consequences of an extra mouth to feed, the effect on your relationship or how to ignore the well-meaning relatives.

Education is more important than counselling.

When will society ever learn?

 

[Katthawk]

Originally posted by luthor
No-one ever tells you about the constant crying through the night, the poopy nappies, the consequences of an extra mouth to feed, the effect on your relationship or how to ignore the well-meaning relatives.

Education is more important than counselling.

When will society ever learn?

My cynical mind wonders how many jobs in the world are devoted to fixing things that society doesn't learn from. Therefore if we knew all the answers and didn't make mistakes, what would most of us do?

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by luthor
No-one ever tells you about the constant crying through the night, the poopy nappies, the consequences of an extra mouth to feed, the effect on your relationship or how to ignore the well-meaning relatives.

Education is more important than counselling.

When will society ever learn?

The lie in which all previous mothers are complicit - the pain is insignificant, when compared with the result. BS. Just listen to what these liars tell prospective mothers.

It doesn't matter that you don't sleep for nine months. If you can't cope, you are a less than adequate parent. BS.

If the truth were to get out it would mean the end of the species.

So what? It's at least arguable that this would be better than the headlong societal pressure to reproduce.

Would it matter if the pressure to reproduce was taken off women, especially those who shouldn't ever do so? Would we disappear as a species? I think not.

I can't think of a selfless reason why anyone has ever had a baby.

What started out as a mindless **** them they're scum thread has caused some people to think more deeply. This is why I post on BF.

 

[knuckles]

Originally posted by skilts
The lie in which all previous mothers are complicit - the pain is insignificant, when compared with the result. BS. Just listen to what these liars tell prospective mothers.

It doesn't matter that you don't sleep for nine months. If you can't cope, you are a less than adequate parent. BS.

If the truth were to get out it would mean the end of the species.

So what? It's at least arguable that this would be better than the headlong societal pressure to reproduce.

Would it matter if the pressure to reproduce was taken off women, especially those who shouldn't ever do so? Would we disappear as a species? I think not.

I can't think of a selfless reason why anyone has ever had a baby.

What started out as a mindless **** them they're scum thread has caused some people to think more deeply. This is why I post on BF.

What a piece of drivel.
Don't let the facts of the case confuse your state of higher being. She is simply a self-indulgent cretin who listened to her latest boyfriends "suggestion" so she wouldn't lose him. Wasn't her first kid, nor anything to do with the "pain of motherhood", nor education. Frig me, I think my 3 yo niece understands that tieing up an infant is not in its best interest, nor likely to stop it crying.

FFS, I hope you never get anywhere near legislation formulation.

 

[Uncle Steve]

Originally posted by Jars458
What makes you think that good mathematicians would make good parents????

Nothing in particular.

However, if they dont have the brainpower to solve a simple quadratic equation, then they wouldn't make good parents.

Same goes for non-mathematicians who can't solve quadratic equations.

Alles klar?

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by knuckles
What a piece of drivel.
Don't let the facts of the case confuse your state of higher being. She is simply a self-indulgent cretin who listened to her latest boyfriends "suggestion" so she wouldn't lose him. Wasn't her first kid, nor anything to do with the "pain of motherhood", nor education. Frig me, I think my 3 yo niece understands that tieing up an infant is not in its best interest, nor likely to stop it crying.

FFS, I hope you never get anywhere near legislation formulation.

You're quite right, of course. Education would be useless. Leave 'em in ignorance. Seems to have worked perfectly for you.

Thanks all the same, I don't think I'll bother to frig you, charming as that prospect may appear to you.